Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] personal marketing (bottum up approach)
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:22, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Congrats, Marten! On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:10, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: One thing solution we use at openSUSE to get increcremental images, ie... you have an older version of SOAS or sugar or whatever image, but you want a newer one, well solution is to use rsync, but this would need to be enabled by the host (ie wherever all this is being hosted downloaded from [bernie, caroline?]): AFAIK this won't work with the current images because we are using squashfs and it's not working well with rsync and binary deltas. What's using OpenSUSE instead of squashfs? More info about why rsync'ing soas images won't save bandwidth: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-olpc-list/2009-March/msg4.html Regards, Tomeu Regards, Tomeu First check the latest image at: (This definetly works with openSUSE where sugar is completely integrated, even with an icon on the desktop that takes you straight into sugar from the desktop. The address for either SugarSuse or openSUSE-edu is here: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/images/iso/ ) The Soas images (snapshots, ie latests sugar) are here as far as I can tell: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/ Copy old image with exactly same name as new image available: cp oldimage.iso exact-name-new-image-is.iso Run rsync again to patch it: rsync -avP rsync://mirror.leaseweb.com/opensuse/repositories/Education/images/iso/exact-name-new-image-is.iso . Dot at the end with space before it is part of the command. This will download only the bytes that have changed, which in some cases is just few MBs, saving few GBs of download. Obviously p2p is another good solution to get initial images going if a couple of people choose to upload to linuxtracker.org or something... kind Regards, David (Nubae) Van Assche On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: Dear All, In the last 24 hours I talked to 12 persons about Sugar. - 6 persons have downloaded sugar and said to give feedback on Sugar - I have send a request for testing to i-netw...@dgroups.org. This is one the main mailinglistings in Africa. My findings so far: 1. Asking people to help works. I ask can you help me. Can you download an iso, burn it to cd, boot it, and give you opinion an email? This is very effective in shifting from talking about to doing. 2. The download seems to be slow. Possible sollution, shall I ask for bandwith to mirror the iso image? Can someone make familiar with an optimal solution (syncing/redirecting). kind regards, Marten -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] personal marketing (bottum up approach)
here's a list of VLC mirrors: Twente University (Netherlands) IRCAM (France) Université de Strasbourg (France) c...@ns, ENS Cachan (France) Providence University (Taiwan) Brno University of Technology (Czech Republic) Pontifícia Universidade Católica do Paraná (Brazil) University of Wisconsin - Madison (USA) Root24 (Germany) JAIST (Japan) Yandex (Russia) Armenian Datacom Company (Armenia) Free (France) Beyond !nnovation (USA) HEAnet (Ireland) Netmindz.net (United Kingdom) Georgia Tech (USA) Universitaet Mannheim (Germany) LeaseWeb (Netherlands) GigeNET (USA) Secured Servers LLC (USA) AussieHQ Pty Ltd (Australia) Cogeco (Canada) Bovenschen (Germany) TJE (England) CacheBoy (Netherlands) CacheBoy (Belgium) CacheBoy (Sweden) CacheBoy (USA) CacheBoy (Canada) CacheBoy (New-Zealand) CacheBoy (Australia) CacheBoy (South Africa) On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:22, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Congrats, Marten! On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:10, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: One thing solution we use at openSUSE to get increcremental images, ie... you have an older version of SOAS or sugar or whatever image, but you want a newer one, well solution is to use rsync, but this would need to be enabled by the host (ie wherever all this is being hosted downloaded from [bernie, caroline?]): AFAIK this won't work with the current images because we are using squashfs and it's not working well with rsync and binary deltas. What's using OpenSUSE instead of squashfs? More info about why rsync'ing soas images won't save bandwidth: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-olpc-list/2009-March/msg4.html Regards, Tomeu Regards, Tomeu First check the latest image at: (This definetly works with openSUSE where sugar is completely integrated, even with an icon on the desktop that takes you straight into sugar from the desktop. The address for either SugarSuse or openSUSE-edu is here: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/images/iso/ ) The Soas images (snapshots, ie latests sugar) are here as far as I can tell: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/ Copy old image with exactly same name as new image available: cp oldimage.iso exact-name-new-image-is.iso Run rsync again to patch it: rsync -avP rsync://mirror.leaseweb.com/opensuse/repositories/Education/images/iso/exact-name-new-image-is.iso . Dot at the end with space before it is part of the command. This will download only the bytes that have changed, which in some cases is just few MBs, saving few GBs of download. Obviously p2p is another good solution to get initial images going if a couple of people choose to upload to linuxtracker.org or something... kind Regards, David (Nubae) Van Assche On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: Dear All, In the last 24 hours I talked to 12 persons about Sugar. - 6 persons have downloaded sugar and said to give feedback on Sugar - I have send a request for testing to i-netw...@dgroups.org. This is one the main mailinglistings in Africa. My findings so far: 1. Asking people to help works. I ask can you help me. Can you download an iso, burn it to cd, boot it, and give you opinion an email? This is very effective in shifting from talking about to doing. 2. The download seems to be slow. Possible sollution, shall I ask for bandwith to mirror the iso image? Can someone make familiar with an optimal solution (syncing/redirecting). kind regards, Marten -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] personal marketing (bottum up approach)
On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 11:23 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 20:45, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 20:35 +0200, David Van Assche wrote: me too, shall we take a practical approach and suggest some locations? My current focus in the Netherlands, preferable in Leiden if machine needs to be setup. If a have opportunities (aboard) I 'll let you know, I guess we should contact the organizations (universitites, telecoms, etc) that are already mirroring linux distros and other FOSS projects? Yes, currently on my list: - university of twente - nluug (proffessial unix user group) - xs4all.nl (ISP) These are already mirroing *BSD's / GNU-Linux's and more floss projects. cheers Marten It may be a first contact that leads to other collaboration in the future. Regards, Tomeu cheers, Marten David (nubae) Van Assche On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 16:46 +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: On 05/19/09 13:51, Walter Bender wrote: Maybe we can find a time in the next few days to all meet on IRC to discuss this? CC'ng Bernie as he is most familiar with the SL infrastructure. Unfortunately, both the main download site and the mirror are located in Boston, so they're both going to be slow for people on the other side of the world. oke, I 'll am going to look European mirrors Marten -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing -- Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] personal marketing (bottum up approach)
On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 11:32 +0200, Sean DALY wrote: here's a list of VLC mirrors: in progress Twente University (Netherlands) - nluugg - xs4all.nl new on my list: LeaseWeb (Netherlands) next on my List CacheBoy (Netherlands) next on my List - Tiscali.nl Also: Currently in now infrastructure if we get a yes, - should I handover contacts or - become a part of infra. My preference is the the first (unless there is an extreme short of hands) I do work as unix sysadmin. :) cheers Marten ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] personal marketing (bottum up approach)
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:21, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 11:32 +0200, Sean DALY wrote: here's a list of VLC mirrors: in progress Twente University (Netherlands) - nluugg - xs4all.nl new on my list: LeaseWeb (Netherlands) next on my List CacheBoy (Netherlands) next on my List - Tiscali.nl Also: Currently in now infrastructure if we get a yes, - should I handover contacts or - become a part of infra. My preference is the the first (unless there is an extreme short of hands) I do work as unix sysadmin. :) Yeah, we are quite short of hands in our infrastructure team and it's an area in which we need to spread responsibilities in a redundant way, so IMO it would be great to have you there. Thanks, Tomeu cheers Marten ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] personal marketing (bottum up approach)
On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 12:27 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:21, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 11:32 +0200, Sean DALY wrote: here's a list of VLC mirrors: in progress Twente University (Netherlands) - nluugg - xs4all.nl new on my list: LeaseWeb (Netherlands) next on my List CacheBoy (Netherlands) next on my List - Tiscali.nl Also: Currently in now infrastructure if we get a yes, - should I handover contacts or - become a part of infra. My preference is the the first (unless there is an extreme short of hands) I do work as unix sysadmin. :) Yeah, we are quite short of hands in our infrastructure team and it's an area in which we need to spread responsibilities in a redundant way, so IMO it would be great to have you there. right then, I would like a mentor. For mentor I expect: - willing to spend time to make me find me way in the currunt servers /services. - teaching me good admin behaviour - willing to correct my mistakes I have to offer: - new ideas - finding / discussing better solutions - limited time (but in other timezone) - take mentorship later on. Current Knowledge: - FreeBSD, Debian, Ubuntu - ip/tcp, routing,failover (carp), puppet, apache, mail,mailman - bash and a bit of ruby - Decion making (Jarkta voting on so) cheers Marten Thanks, Tomeu cheers Marten -- Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] personal marketing (bottum up approach)
On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 12:27 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:21, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 11:32 +0200, Sean DALY wrote: here's a list of VLC mirrors: in progress Twente University (Netherlands) My first candidate has some questions: How much space is needed? should clean up: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/1/ http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/ or do we really want a fully mirror, How we provide an rsync script to rsync a limited set? Can some do a du -hd 1 of du -hs in pub_dir to show me the size of the mirror ? 2. may we let people sync from the second mirror to free the master site a bit. Currently rsync can be done only from download@ but not from download2@ IHMO it would prefer to sync from download2@ since download is already used a lot. Kind regards, Marten - nluugg - xs4all.nl new on my list: LeaseWeb (Netherlands) next on my List CacheBoy (Netherlands) next on my List - Tiscali.nl Also: Currently in now infrastructure if we get a yes, - should I handover contacts or - become a part of infra. My preference is the the first (unless there is an extreme short of hands) I do work as unix sysadmin. :) Yeah, we are quite short of hands in our infrastructure team and it's an area in which we need to spread responsibilities in a redundant way, so IMO it would be great to have you there. Thanks, Tomeu cheers Marten ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] personal marketing (bottum up approach)
Bernie is our currently our sysadmin. He is traveling today and tomorrow. He should be back on line in a few days. david On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 12:27 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:21, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 11:32 +0200, Sean DALY wrote: here's a list of VLC mirrors: in progress Twente University (Netherlands) - nluugg - xs4all.nl new on my list: LeaseWeb (Netherlands) next on my List CacheBoy (Netherlands) next on my List - Tiscali.nl Also: Currently in now infrastructure if we get a yes, - should I handover contacts or - become a part of infra. My preference is the the first (unless there is an extreme short of hands) I do work as unix sysadmin. :) Yeah, we are quite short of hands in our infrastructure team and it's an area in which we need to spread responsibilities in a redundant way, so IMO it would be great to have you there. right then, I would like a mentor. For mentor I expect: - willing to spend time to make me find me way in the currunt servers /services. - teaching me good admin behaviour - willing to correct my mistakes I have to offer: - new ideas - finding / discussing better solutions - limited time (but in other timezone) - take mentorship later on. Current Knowledge: - FreeBSD, Debian, Ubuntu - ip/tcp, routing,failover (carp), puppet, apache, mail,mailman - bash and a bit of ruby - Decion making (Jarkta voting on so) cheers Marten Thanks, Tomeu cheers Marten -- Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] personal marketing (bottum up approach)
Congrats, Marten! On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:10, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: One thing solution we use at openSUSE to get increcremental images, ie... you have an older version of SOAS or sugar or whatever image, but you want a newer one, well solution is to use rsync, but this would need to be enabled by the host (ie wherever all this is being hosted downloaded from [bernie, caroline?]): AFAIK this won't work with the current images because we are using squashfs and it's not working well with rsync and binary deltas. What's using OpenSUSE instead of squashfs? Regards, Tomeu First check the latest image at: (This definetly works with openSUSE where sugar is completely integrated, even with an icon on the desktop that takes you straight into sugar from the desktop. The address for either SugarSuse or openSUSE-edu is here: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/images/iso/ ) The Soas images (snapshots, ie latests sugar) are here as far as I can tell: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/ Copy old image with exactly same name as new image available: cp oldimage.iso exact-name-new-image-is.iso Run rsync again to patch it: rsync -avP rsync://mirror.leaseweb.com/opensuse/repositories/Education/images/iso/exact-name-new-image-is.iso . Dot at the end with space before it is part of the command. This will download only the bytes that have changed, which in some cases is just few MBs, saving few GBs of download. Obviously p2p is another good solution to get initial images going if a couple of people choose to upload to linuxtracker.org or something... kind Regards, David (Nubae) Van Assche On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: Dear All, In the last 24 hours I talked to 12 persons about Sugar. - 6 persons have downloaded sugar and said to give feedback on Sugar - I have send a request for testing to i-netw...@dgroups.org. This is one the main mailinglistings in Africa. My findings so far: 1. Asking people to help works. I ask can you help me. Can you download an iso, burn it to cd, boot it, and give you opinion an email? This is very effective in shifting from talking about to doing. 2. The download seems to be slow. Possible sollution, shall I ask for bandwith to mirror the iso image? Can someone make familiar with an optimal solution (syncing/redirecting). kind regards, Marten -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] personal marketing (bottum up approach)
Maybe we can find a time in the next few days to all meet on IRC to discuss this? CC'ng Bernie as he is most familiar with the SL infrastructure. -walter On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 7:41 AM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: I think that there is a kind of formal technical/distribution position forming here. Ie... someone that would be responsible for supporting distribution methods of sugar (this should not be confused with QA, bugsquad or anything else) It just needs to be a person that can say all the available methods of distribution, and perhaps working on communication between distros and Sugar team... what do u guys think? Marten or I are both capable of doing this job just fine, but it kind of overlaps with the infrastructure team... we'd need to be sure like Marten says we have access to a server to set up rsync, torrent distribution and even our own build Service (openSUSE build service is totally gpl ;-) ) What should this position be called, I have no idea, I came up with lateral distro architect, but I have no idea if that is specific enough or even too generic. What do u think? perhaps forming a team that me and marten can be integrated with seams obvious for the time being. Both of us also want to work towards centralised distribution methods that are push and not just pull, whatever they might be. I'm forwarding this to sugar-devel as well as this has to do with them too, and an olpc rep so that we can make sure they know what we are doing with sugar distribution. kind Regards, David (Nubae) Van Assche On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: Thanks David, I will go for bandwith then asking for rsync as requirement. A torrend would optional. Some things I would like to assure mirrors have to: - have directory layout - same names Features I would also like to have - having a Last_version symlink to the last version. (keep links valid over time) - md5sums - list of mirrors on the website - or better mirror autoselection Besides from getting bandwidth is there a way I can help to achieve this? (I guess ssh access would be needed) Kind regards, Marten On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 12:10 +0200, David Van Assche wrote: One thing solution we use at openSUSE to get increcremental images, ie... you have an older version of SOAS or sugar or whatever image, but you want a newer one, well solution is to use rsync, but this would need to be enabled by the host (ie wherever all this is being hosted downloaded from [bernie, caroline?]): First check the latest image at: (This definetly works with openSUSE where sugar is completely integrated, even with an icon on the desktop that takes you straight into sugar from the desktop. The address for either SugarSuse or openSUSE-edu is here: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/images/iso/ ) The Soas images (snapshots, ie latests sugar) are here as far as I can tell: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/ Copy old image with exactly same name as new image available: cp oldimage.iso exact-name-new-image-is.iso Run rsync again to patch it: rsync -avP rsync://mirror.leaseweb.com/opensuse/repositories/Education/images/iso/exact-name-new-image-is.iso . Dot at the end with space before it is part of the command. This will download only the bytes that have changed, which in some cases is just few MBs, saving few GBs of download. Obviously p2p is another good solution to get initial images going if a couple of people choose to upload to linuxtracker.org or something... kind Regards, David (Nubae) Van Assche On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: Dear All, In the last 24 hours I talked to 12 persons about Sugar. - 6 persons have downloaded sugar and said to give feedback on Sugar - I have send a request for testing to i-netw...@dgroups.org. This is one the main mailinglistings in Africa. My findings so far: 1. Asking people to help works. I ask can you help me. Can you download an iso, burn it to cd, boot it, and give you opinion an email? This is very effective in shifting from talking about to doing. 2. The download seems to be slow. Possible sollution, shall I ask for bandwith to mirror the iso image? Can someone make familiar with an optimal solution (syncing/redirecting). kind regards, Marten -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] personal marketing (bottum up approach)
Infrastructure meeting are (usually) on Fridays. david On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe we can find a time in the next few days to all meet on IRC to discuss this? CC'ng Bernie as he is most familiar with the SL infrastructure. -walter On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 7:41 AM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: I think that there is a kind of formal technical/distribution position forming here. Ie... someone that would be responsible for supporting distribution methods of sugar (this should not be confused with QA, bugsquad or anything else) It just needs to be a person that can say all the available methods of distribution, and perhaps working on communication between distros and Sugar team... what do u guys think? Marten or I are both capable of doing this job just fine, but it kind of overlaps with the infrastructure team... we'd need to be sure like Marten says we have access to a server to set up rsync, torrent distribution and even our own build Service (openSUSE build service is totally gpl ;-) ) What should this position be called, I have no idea, I came up with lateral distro architect, but I have no idea if that is specific enough or even too generic. What do u think? perhaps forming a team that me and marten can be integrated with seams obvious for the time being. Both of us also want to work towards centralised distribution methods that are push and not just pull, whatever they might be. I'm forwarding this to sugar-devel as well as this has to do with them too, and an olpc rep so that we can make sure they know what we are doing with sugar distribution. kind Regards, David (Nubae) Van Assche On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: Thanks David, I will go for bandwith then asking for rsync as requirement. A torrend would optional. Some things I would like to assure mirrors have to: - have directory layout - same names Features I would also like to have - having a Last_version symlink to the last version. (keep links valid over time) - md5sums - list of mirrors on the website - or better mirror autoselection Besides from getting bandwidth is there a way I can help to achieve this? (I guess ssh access would be needed) Kind regards, Marten On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 12:10 +0200, David Van Assche wrote: One thing solution we use at openSUSE to get increcremental images, ie... you have an older version of SOAS or sugar or whatever image, but you want a newer one, well solution is to use rsync, but this would need to be enabled by the host (ie wherever all this is being hosted downloaded from [bernie, caroline?]): First check the latest image at: (This definetly works with openSUSE where sugar is completely integrated, even with an icon on the desktop that takes you straight into sugar from the desktop. The address for either SugarSuse or openSUSE-edu is here: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/images/iso/ ) The Soas images (snapshots, ie latests sugar) are here as far as I can tell: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/ Copy old image with exactly same name as new image available: cp oldimage.iso exact-name-new-image-is.iso Run rsync again to patch it: rsync -avP rsync://mirror.leaseweb.com/opensuse/repositories/Education/images/iso/exact-name-new-image-is.iso . Dot at the end with space before it is part of the command. This will download only the bytes that have changed, which in some cases is just few MBs, saving few GBs of download. Obviously p2p is another good solution to get initial images going if a couple of people choose to upload to linuxtracker.org or something... kind Regards, David (Nubae) Van Assche On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: Dear All, In the last 24 hours I talked to 12 persons about Sugar. - 6 persons have downloaded sugar and said to give feedback on Sugar - I have send a request for testing to i-netw...@dgroups.org. This is one the main mailinglistings in Africa. My findings so far: 1. Asking people to help works. I ask can you help me. Can you download an iso, burn it to cd, boot it, and give you opinion an email? This is very effective in shifting from talking about to doing. 2. The download seems to be slow. Possible sollution, shall I ask for bandwith to mirror the iso image? Can someone make familiar with an optimal solution (syncing/redirecting). kind regards, Marten -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] personal marketing (bottum up approach)
On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 16:46 +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: On 05/19/09 13:51, Walter Bender wrote: Maybe we can find a time in the next few days to all meet on IRC to discuss this? CC'ng Bernie as he is most familiar with the SL infrastructure. Unfortunately, both the main download site and the mirror are located in Boston, so they're both going to be slow for people on the other side of the world. oke, I 'll am going to look European mirrors Marten -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] personal marketing (bottum up approach)
me too, shall we take a practical approach and suggest some locations? David (nubae) Van Assche On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 16:46 +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: On 05/19/09 13:51, Walter Bender wrote: Maybe we can find a time in the next few days to all meet on IRC to discuss this? CC'ng Bernie as he is most familiar with the SL infrastructure. Unfortunately, both the main download site and the mirror are located in Boston, so they're both going to be slow for people on the other side of the world. oke, I 'll am going to look European mirrors Marten -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] personal marketing (bottum up approach)
On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 20:35 +0200, David Van Assche wrote: me too, shall we take a practical approach and suggest some locations? My current focus in the Netherlands, preferable in Leiden if machine needs to be setup. If a have opportunities (aboard) I 'll let you know, cheers, Marten David (nubae) Van Assche On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 16:46 +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: On 05/19/09 13:51, Walter Bender wrote: Maybe we can find a time in the next few days to all meet on IRC to discuss this? CC'ng Bernie as he is most familiar with the SL infrastructure. Unfortunately, both the main download site and the mirror are located in Boston, so they're both going to be slow for people on the other side of the world. oke, I 'll am going to look European mirrors Marten -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
