Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] EduJAM day 2 Tour of Uruguay

[luis Michelena]

El 03/05/2011 15:57, Samuel Greenfeld escribió:
I would not personally know the history, but tap-to-click is 
intentionally disabled for the Synaptics touchpad in newer (10.1.x?) 
OLPC software builds for XOs.  You should be able to edit 
/etc/modprobe.d/olpc-psmouse.conf to re-enable it:


http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10119



Won't do in uruguay, where as you may know, root access is denied.

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] EduJAM day 2 Tour of Uruguay

[nanonano]

/>Daniel Castelo wrote:
>However, I flashed a machine with uy802c and tap-to-click doesn't work.
---/



In Uruguay, The TAp-To click works Ok with the old image uy802c and the  
XO 1.0 that has the new Touchpad (the one that has only one square in 
the middle) .


The tap-to-click don't works with The older touchpad (the one that has 
three squares) 
 .



Paolo Benini
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] EduJAM day 2 Tour of Uruguay

[James Cameron]

On Tue, May 03, 2011 at 08:19:04PM -0300, nanon...@mediagala.com wrote:
> The problem of this mail is about the XO 1.0 after 2009  that has the
> new touchpad that works.
> 
> I Think that here in Uruguay the Touchpad that have some problems with
> the tap-to-click is the touchpad on the XO 1.5, that are BLUE, for
> high schools,.  Those blue  XO have the tap-to-click disabled , but is
> not a big issue, because those Blue XO came  for the first time
> without the the tap-to-click, so we don't have complaints about that.
> 
> --
> 
> But it  is a different problem with the XO 1.0 , that has the
> tap-to-click working  until last month, when the new SUgar came.
> 
> With the new Sugar version (0.88 for the XO 1.0) the TAp-to-click
> don't works any more, so the people know that it has been disabled in
> some way.

I think you should enable it again then.  Either on a per-laptop basis
using the procedure already mentioned, or make a new build.

But be prepared for complaints from people who got used to it being
disabled.

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] EduJAM day 2 Tour of Uruguay

[nanonano]

/>Samuel Greenfeld wrote:
>However, be aware that there is another brand of touchpad

/
The problem of this mail is about the XO 1.0 after 2009  that has the 
new touchpad 
that works.


I Think that here in Uruguay the Touchpad that have some problems with 
the tap-to-click is the touchpad on the XO 1.5, that are BLUE, for high 
schools,.  Those blue  XO have the tap-to-click disabled , but is not a 
big issue, because those Blue XO came  for the first time without the 
the tap-to-click, so we don't have complaints about that.


--

But it  is a different problem with the XO 1.0 , that has the 
tap-to-click working  until last month, when the new SUgar came.


With the new Sugar version (0.88 for the XO 1.0) the TAp-to-click don't 
works any more, so the people know that it has been disabled in some way.


---

On  the older touchpad (the one that has three squares) 
  the 
tap-to-click never worked , but the older touchpad never had the 
tap-to-click, so we don't have complaints about that.




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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] EduJAM day 2 Tour of Uruguay

[Samuel Greenfeld]

I would not personally know the history, but tap-to-click is intentionally
disabled for the Synaptics touchpad in newer (10.1.x?) OLPC software builds
for XOs.  You should be able to edit /etc/modprobe.d/olpc-psmouse.conf to
re-enable it:

http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10119

However, be aware that there is another brand of touchpad (indistinguishable
from the outside of an XO except in software) which may be present on some
XO-1.5s, and we currently do not disable tap-to-click on these:

http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10528

I would not know how often this other brand has been used, or if anyone has
them in XOs out in the field.



On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Daniel Castelo
wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:24 PM,  wrote:
>
>>  *
>> >James Cameron wrote:
>> >XO-1 touchpad behaviour was changed.
>> *
>>
>>
>>
>> On the Xo 1.0 of Plan ceibal, With the new versions of Sugar 
>> (0.88)they
>>  disabled the tap-to-click on the touchpad.
>>
>> The Tap-to click worked ok with previous image. (uy802c)
>>
>>
> Maybe we disabled it unintentionally. However, I flashed a machine with
> uy802c and tap-to-click doesn't work. Maybe depend on the version of the XO
> hardware. Are you sure that was on the 802c image?
> Thanks.
> Daniel
>
> ---
>>
>> On the XO 1.5 is different because they came from factory without the
>> tap-to-click , so there's no complain about that, it never existed. (I think
>> that there are some drivers problems)
>>
>> But on the XO 1.0 the feature of tap-to-click was working ok, and now it
>> is disabled (with the new image Dextrose, 
>> os1bdxuy.img,
>> ), I don't Know Why.
>>
>>
>> Paolo Benini
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] EduJAM day 2 Tour of Uruguay

[Daniel Castelo]

On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:24 PM,  wrote:

>  *
> >James Cameron wrote:
> >XO-1 touchpad behaviour was changed.
> *
>
>
>
> On the Xo 1.0 of Plan ceibal, With the new versions of Sugar 
> (0.88)they
>  disabled the tap-to-click on the touchpad.
>
> The Tap-to click worked ok with previous image. (uy802c)
>
>
Maybe we disabled it unintentionally. However, I flashed a machine with
uy802c and tap-to-click doesn't work. Maybe depend on the version of the XO
hardware. Are you sure that was on the 802c image?
Thanks.
Daniel

---
>
> On the XO 1.5 is different because they came from factory without the
> tap-to-click , so there's no complain about that, it never existed. (I think
> that there are some drivers problems)
>
> But on the XO 1.0 the feature of tap-to-click was working ok, and now it is
> disabled (with the new image Dextrose, 
> os1bdxuy.img,
> ), I don't Know Why.
>
>
> Paolo Benini
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] EduJAM day 2 Tour of Uruguay

[nanonano]

/>James Cameron wrote:
>XO-1 touchpad behaviour was changed.
/



On the Xo 1.0 of Plan ceibal, With the new versions of Sugar (0.88) 
 
they disabled the tap-to-click on the touchpad.


The Tap-to click worked ok with previous image. (uy802c)


---

On the XO 1.5 is different because they came from factory without the 
tap-to-click , so there's no complain about that, it never existed. (I 
think that there are some drivers problems)


But on the XO 1.0 the feature of tap-to-click was working ok, and now it 
is disabled (with the new image Dextrose, os1bdxuy.img 
, 
), I don't Know Why.



Paolo Benini
RAP-CEIBAL
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] EduJAM day 2 Tour of Uruguay

[David Farning]

> -Original Message-
> From: qu...@us.netrek.org [mailto:qu...@us.netrek.org] On Behalf Of
> James Cameron
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 4:47 AM
> To: David Farning
> Cc: 'IAEP'; 'Sugar Devel'
> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] EduJAM day 2 Tour of Uruguay
> 
> On Mon, May 02, 2011 at 04:24:53PM -0300, David Farning wrote:
> > >From a tech point of view, the big question have been:
> > 4. questions about why touch pad behavior has changed in the latest
> > release with out giving teachers a heads up.
> 
> I don't know what release they are using, or were using.
> 
> I don't know if they mean XO-1.5 or XO-1.
> 
> XO-1.5 touchpad behaviour was changed; tap to click was disabled or
> enabled.  Default varied by release, and the default should be
configurable.
> 
> XO-1 touchpad behaviour was changed.  Latest OLPC release on XO-1 is
> 10.1.3, which has no touchpad change compared to 10.1.2, so I presume
> they were on 8.2.1 or a derivative previously?
> 
> Two XO-1 changes may be relevant:
> 
> 1.  the enabling of automatic power management from 8.2.1 to 10.1.3, which
> causes touchpad to be momentarily unresponsive when the laptop is
> suspended; this is in the release notes [1], so OLPC did include a heads
up,
> 
> 2.  the revised kernel driver for XO-1 touchpad [2], which changes the
> behaviour somewhat; this is not in the release notes.  It went in with
10.1.1.
> 
> Please encourage them to be involved in testing of development builds, so
> that they can provide feedback early.

+1. And we should also consider this is a custom spin for UY.  So effective
QA will involve:
1. Sugar.
2. OLPC.
3. AC -- if they chose.
4. In country development staff.
5. Users.

>From what I can see, the idea that the benefits of working together is
starting to outweigh the costs for many of the participants and
organizations :)

david

> [1]  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/10.1.3#XO-
> 1_Automatic_power_management_issues
> 
> [2]  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Touchpad_driver_changes
> 
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] EduJAM day 2 Tour of Uruguay

[James Cameron]

On Mon, May 02, 2011 at 04:24:53PM -0300, David Farning wrote:
> >From a tech point of view, the big question have been:
> 4. questions about why touch pad behavior has changed in the latest
> release with out giving teachers a heads up.

I don't know what release they are using, or were using.

I don't know if they mean XO-1.5 or XO-1.

XO-1.5 touchpad behaviour was changed; tap to click was disabled or
enabled.  Default varied by release, and the default should be
configurable.

XO-1 touchpad behaviour was changed.  Latest OLPC release on XO-1 is
10.1.3, which has no touchpad change compared to 10.1.2, so I presume
they were on 8.2.1 or a derivative previously?

Two XO-1 changes may be relevant:

1.  the enabling of automatic power management from 8.2.1 to 10.1.3,
which causes touchpad to be momentarily unresponsive when the laptop is
suspended; this is in the release notes [1], so OLPC did include a heads
up,

2.  the revised kernel driver for XO-1 touchpad [2], which changes the
behaviour somewhat; this is not in the release notes.  It went in with
10.1.1.

Please encourage them to be involved in testing of development builds,
so that they can provide feedback early.

[1]  
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/10.1.3#XO-1_Automatic_power_management_issues

[2]  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Touchpad_driver_changes

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