Re: [IAEP] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Sameer Verma]

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 2:32 AM, Tony Anderson  wrote:
> I submitted motions to the Board as follows:
>
> I move that the SugarLabs Oversight Board approve the position of
> Translation-Community Manager as described at
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager.
>

+1

> I further move that Chris Leonard be named to this position effective
> immediately.

Abstain.

>
> At Adam's request, I am adding a third motion:
>
> I move that the Translation-Community Manager be paid a stipend of $1000 per
> month.
>

Abstain.

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> I would like to call for seconds to these motions.
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Dave Crossland]

On 5 April 2016 at 05:32, Tony Anderson  wrote:

> I move that the SugarLabs Oversight Board approve the position of
> Translation-Community Manager as described at
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager.
>
> I further move that Chris Leonard be named to this position effective
> immediately.
>
> At Adam's request, I am adding a third motion:
>
> I move that the Translation-Community Manager be paid a stipend of $1000
> per month.
>
> I would like to call for seconds to these motions.
>

All 3 motions passed
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Re: [IAEP] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Tony Anderson]

HI, Sebastian

The problem is mine. I should have locked the page at the time the 
motions were made. The issue is simply procedural, the motion was to 
approve
the job as described on the page. Like Clinton, using a wiki page was a 
convenience to avoid having to copy it in the motion.


Tony

On 04/06/2016 09:52 PM, Sebastian Silva wrote:



El 06/04/16 a las 00:38, Tony Anderson escribió:
The formal motion was sent at 5pm April 5, 2016. It was seconded at 
7:25pm April 5, 2016 (both times EST). Any changes to the TCM job 
description made after the formal motion was submitted and seconded 
should not be considered in votes on the motion. Naturally, if the 
Board thinks changes are needed before the motions can be approved, 
new motions can be made.


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Hi Tony,

Certainly not the entire wikipage is the job definition being voted 
upon. Much of it are notes gathered from the rest of the Wiki.
In fact if I understood correctly the relevant bits under discussion 
are the Translation Community Manager's Duties. 



The rest of the page is a summary and general information on our 
translation process. So I merely added some references to previous 
work, in my humble view. It was not intended to change the spirit of 
the proposal, but to add relevant information for future readers.


Regards,
Sebastian


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Re: [IAEP] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Sebastian Silva]

El 06/04/16 a las 07:45, Dave Crossland escribió:
>
> On 6 April 2016 at 03:25, James Cameron  > wrote:
>
> The hiding of SLOBs deliberations once they move to their private
> mailing list
>
>
> Why is the SLOB list private?
>
There is actually explicit Sugar Labs principles regarding this. We are
supposed to be an "Open Organization" as defined here:
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs#Principles - Especially the
section called "information".

I thought I remembered some language in this direction in
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board but I can't find it.
Anyhow I expect SLOBS members to be aware of this policy and only use
private channels where it is otherwise impossible to be open.

That said, I have not read anything from several slobs on public lists,
ever.


  Principles

In order for Sugar to be successful, it needs the participation of a
large number of people who share common goals while maintaining
independence, so that each participant has the ability to act
independently. For these reasons, Sugar Labs subscribes to the
principles described here
,
which are the author's own translation of anoriginal text in Spanish.



Identity

  * Clear mission – Fully disclosed objectives.
  * Declared commitments – Affinities and aversions explained.
  * Declared outside connections – Relationships with other
organizations explicitly listed.


Structure

  * Horizontal organization – Teams and facilitators work on
responsibilities and agreements.
  * Identified contributors – Who is who, people are reachable.
  * Clear responsibilities – Who is in charge of what.
  * Activities described – All of the ongoing work is acknowledged.

See Wiki Structure
 for a
guide to how the wiki models Sugar Labs' structure.


Operation

  * Open participation – Anybody can access the information and get a
first responsibility.
  * Meritocracy – Responsibilities are acquired (or lost) based on one's
skills, results, and contributors’ support.
  * Voluntary (non-)engagement – Nobody is forced to be involved or to
keep responsibilities.


Information

  * Regular reports – Reported activities and future plans allow
monitoring and participation.
  * Information accessible – Even internal operational information is
available by default.

We try to operate /*en plein air

*/.

  * Explicit confidentiality – It is explained what matters are
confidential, why, and who can access them.


Goods

  * Economic model – Feasibility and sustainability plans are exposed.
(Please see/contribute to the discussionhere
.)
  * Resources – Inventory of items detailing who contributed what and why.
  * Public accounts – It’s clear where the money comes from and where it
goes.
  * A special thanks
 to our
contributors.



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Re: [IAEP] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Sebastian Silva]

El 06/04/16 a las 00:38, Tony Anderson escribió:
> The formal motion was sent at 5pm April 5, 2016. It was seconded at
> 7:25pm April 5, 2016 (both times EST). Any changes to the TCM job
> description made after the formal motion was submitted and seconded
> should not be considered in votes on the motion. Naturally, if the
> Board thinks changes are needed before the motions can be approved,
> new motions can be made.
>
> Tony___
>

Hi Tony,

Certainly not the entire wikipage is the job definition being voted
upon. Much of it are notes gathered from the rest of the Wiki.
In fact if I understood correctly the relevant bits under discussion are
the Translation Community Manager's Duties.


The rest of the page is a summary and general information on our
translation process. So I merely added some references to previous work,
in my humble view. It was not intended to change the spirit of the
proposal, but to add relevant information for future readers.

Regards,
Sebastian

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Re: [IAEP] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Sean DALY]

as a former SLOB, I could say that in the past this was because some
matters involving OLPC, or embargoed press information, or a partnership
with a third party, required confidentiality.

Perhaps today's SLOBs have a different point of view

Sean


On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

>
> On 6 April 2016 at 03:25, James Cameron  wrote:
>
>> The hiding of SLOBs deliberations once they move to their private
>> mailing list
>>
>
> Why is the SLOB list private?
>
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Re: [IAEP] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Walter Bender]

+1 from me for all three motions (based on the 5 April version of the
document).

-walter

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 5:32 AM, Tony Anderson  wrote:

> I submitted motions to the Board as follows:
>
> I move that the SugarLabs Oversight Board approve the position of
> Translation-Community Manager as described at
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager.
>
> I further move that Chris Leonard be named to this position effective
> immediately.
>
> At Adam's request, I am adding a third motion:
>
> I move that the Translation-Community Manager be paid a stipend of $1000
> per month.
>
> I would like to call for seconds to these motions.
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Dave Crossland]

On 6 April 2016 at 03:25, James Cameron  wrote:

> The hiding of SLOBs deliberations once they move to their private
> mailing list
>

Why is the SLOB list private?
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Re: [IAEP] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, James

My apologies. I am new to this and have made a lot of mistakes. However, 
I don't believe it is fair to accuse me of 'hiding' anything.


As you know following my first meeting in February, I posted a 
conglomeration of the ideas thrown out as to the position 
(http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Proposal).


At the March meeting, the I18n position was tabled for the April meeting.

At the April meeting, the item was again tabled with a specific request 
to write up the job description and a list of those on my informal 
mailing list. I did that the following morning by writing and posting 
the page (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Manager) which has 
evolved to the Translation-Community_Manager).


I sent a notification to the SLOBs list and to my informal list. This 
was a serious error. This email should have been sent to iaep and 
localization, at least. At the time I was responding to a task assigned 
at the meeting and so used the SLOBs list. I wasn't aware that this list 
is secret.


On Monday and Tuesday, I was involved in a personal commitment which 
gave Walter and Adam an opportunity to edit the document. I also fixed 
some typos.


At Walter's request, I made the formal motions. Those I believe should 
go to the SLOBs list. However, Adam and Caryl requested that the motions 
be posted on the iaep and localization lists which I did.


Certainly none of these snafus reflect in any way on Chris Leonard or 
his leadership.


Tony

On 04/06/2016 03:25 PM, James Cameron wrote:

I'm not sure the translation team wants to be led in that way, and I'd
not like to lose volunteers.  We have so few.

The hiding of SLOBs deliberations once they move to their private
mailing list caused this situation; Wiki technology is a bad match for
decision making bodies unless clear processes are used.  There was
nothing in the history of the page to indicate it was part of a
motion.

I'd like to see some more transparency.

On Wed, Apr 06, 2016 at 02:58:21PM +0800, Tony Anderson wrote:

My point is that the motion was based on the wording of the document
at the time it was made. Amendments after the motion is made are
really out of order.
Luckily, the Wiki technology lets readers see the document as it was
at the time of the motion.

Naturally, the intent is that the TCM will lead the translation
team. My view is prejudiced, but I thought the wording made that
very clear.

Tony

On 04/06/2016 02:20 PM, James Cameron wrote:

I take it to mean that you intend that the translation team be
eclipsed by the translation community manager?  That's unfortunate.

On Wed, Apr 06, 2016 at 01:38:46PM +0800, Tony Anderson wrote:

The formal motion was sent at 5pm April 5, 2016. It was seconded at 7:25pm
April 5, 2016 (both times EST). Any changes to the TCM job description made
after the formal motion was submitted and seconded should not be considered in
votes on the motion. Naturally, if the Board thinks changes are needed before
the motions can be approved, new motions can be made.

Tony

On 04/06/2016 12:47 PM, Sebastian Silva wrote:

 Hello,

 I made a small contribution to the Translation Community Manager page, as
 follows:

 In the first paragraph, I added the following, just to clarify what the
 page was about:
 This is a paid delegation currently being debated by SLOBs.

 More importantly, I added a second paragraph to link to previous
 structures:
 This delegation is not meant to eclipse [1]Translation Team, its [2]
 coordinators, or any other party interested in helping out with
 localization.
 I hope it is taken well. It does not modify the motions in place at all.

 Regards,
 Sebastian

 El 05/04/16 a las 04:32, Tony Anderson escribió:

 I submitted motions to the Board as follows:

 I move that the SugarLabs Oversight Board approve the position of
 Translation-Community Manager as described at [3][4]http://
 wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager.

 I further move that Chris Leonard be named to this position effective
 immediately.

 At Adam's request, I am adding a third motion:

 I move that the Translation-Community Manager be paid a stipend of
 $1000 per month.

 I would like to call for seconds to these motions.

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References:

[1] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Team
[2] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Team/Coordinator
[3] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager
[4] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager
[5] mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
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Re: [IAEP] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[James Cameron]

I'm not sure the translation team wants to be led in that way, and I'd
not like to lose volunteers.  We have so few.

The hiding of SLOBs deliberations once they move to their private
mailing list caused this situation; Wiki technology is a bad match for
decision making bodies unless clear processes are used.  There was
nothing in the history of the page to indicate it was part of a
motion.

I'd like to see some more transparency.

On Wed, Apr 06, 2016 at 02:58:21PM +0800, Tony Anderson wrote:
> My point is that the motion was based on the wording of the document
> at the time it was made. Amendments after the motion is made are
> really out of order.
> Luckily, the Wiki technology lets readers see the document as it was
> at the time of the motion.
> 
> Naturally, the intent is that the TCM will lead the translation
> team. My view is prejudiced, but I thought the wording made that
> very clear.
> 
> Tony
> 
> On 04/06/2016 02:20 PM, James Cameron wrote:
> >I take it to mean that you intend that the translation team be
> >eclipsed by the translation community manager?  That's unfortunate.
> >
> >On Wed, Apr 06, 2016 at 01:38:46PM +0800, Tony Anderson wrote:
> >>The formal motion was sent at 5pm April 5, 2016. It was seconded at 7:25pm
> >>April 5, 2016 (both times EST). Any changes to the TCM job description made
> >>after the formal motion was submitted and seconded should not be considered 
> >>in
> >>votes on the motion. Naturally, if the Board thinks changes are needed 
> >>before
> >>the motions can be approved, new motions can be made.
> >>
> >>Tony
> >>
> >>On 04/06/2016 12:47 PM, Sebastian Silva wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I made a small contribution to the Translation Community Manager page, 
> >> as
> >> follows:
> >>
> >> In the first paragraph, I added the following, just to clarify what the
> >> page was about:
> >> This is a paid delegation currently being debated by SLOBs.
> >>
> >> More importantly, I added a second paragraph to link to previous
> >> structures:
> >> This delegation is not meant to eclipse [1]Translation Team, its [2]
> >> coordinators, or any other party interested in helping out with
> >> localization.
> >> I hope it is taken well. It does not modify the motions in place at 
> >> all.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Sebastian
> >>
> >> El 05/04/16 a las 04:32, Tony Anderson escribió:
> >>
> >> I submitted motions to the Board as follows:
> >>
> >> I move that the SugarLabs Oversight Board approve the position of
> >> Translation-Community Manager as described at [3][4]http://
> >> wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager.
> >>
> >> I further move that Chris Leonard be named to this position 
> >> effective
> >> immediately.
> >>
> >> At Adam's request, I am adding a third motion:
> >>
> >> I move that the Translation-Community Manager be paid a stipend of
> >> $1000 per month.
> >>
> >> I would like to call for seconds to these motions.
> >>
> >> Tony
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> >>
> >>[1] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Team
> >>[2] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Team/Coordinator
> >>[3] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager
> >>[4] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager
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Re: [IAEP] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Tony Anderson]

My point is that the motion was based on the wording of the document at 
the time it was made. Amendments after the motion is made are really out 
of order.
Luckily, the Wiki technology lets readers see the document as it was at 
the time of the motion.


Naturally, the intent is that the TCM will lead the translation team. My 
view is prejudiced, but I thought the wording made that very clear.


Tony

On 04/06/2016 02:20 PM, James Cameron wrote:

I take it to mean that you intend that the translation team be
eclipsed by the translation community manager?  That's unfortunate.

On Wed, Apr 06, 2016 at 01:38:46PM +0800, Tony Anderson wrote:

The formal motion was sent at 5pm April 5, 2016. It was seconded at 7:25pm
April 5, 2016 (both times EST). Any changes to the TCM job description made
after the formal motion was submitted and seconded should not be considered in
votes on the motion. Naturally, if the Board thinks changes are needed before
the motions can be approved, new motions can be made.

Tony

On 04/06/2016 12:47 PM, Sebastian Silva wrote:

 Hello,

 I made a small contribution to the Translation Community Manager page, as
 follows:

 In the first paragraph, I added the following, just to clarify what the
 page was about:
 This is a paid delegation currently being debated by SLOBs.

 More importantly, I added a second paragraph to link to previous
 structures:
 This delegation is not meant to eclipse [1]Translation Team, its [2]
 coordinators, or any other party interested in helping out with
 localization.
  
 I hope it is taken well. It does not modify the motions in place at all.


 Regards,
 Sebastian

 El 05/04/16 a las 04:32, Tony Anderson escribió:

 I submitted motions to the Board as follows:

 I move that the SugarLabs Oversight Board approve the position of
 Translation-Community Manager as described at [3][4]http://
 wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager.

 I further move that Chris Leonard be named to this position effective
 immediately.

 At Adam's request, I am adding a third motion:

 I move that the Translation-Community Manager be paid a stipend of
 $1000 per month.

 I would like to call for seconds to these motions.

 Tony
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References:

[1] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Team
[2] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Team/Coordinator
[3] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager
[4] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager
[5] mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
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Re: [IAEP] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[James Cameron]

I take it to mean that you intend that the translation team be
eclipsed by the translation community manager?  That's unfortunate.

On Wed, Apr 06, 2016 at 01:38:46PM +0800, Tony Anderson wrote:
> The formal motion was sent at 5pm April 5, 2016. It was seconded at 7:25pm
> April 5, 2016 (both times EST). Any changes to the TCM job description made
> after the formal motion was submitted and seconded should not be considered in
> votes on the motion. Naturally, if the Board thinks changes are needed before
> the motions can be approved, new motions can be made.
> 
> Tony
> 
> On 04/06/2016 12:47 PM, Sebastian Silva wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I made a small contribution to the Translation Community Manager page, as
> follows:
> 
> In the first paragraph, I added the following, just to clarify what the
> page was about:
> This is a paid delegation currently being debated by SLOBs.
> 
> More importantly, I added a second paragraph to link to previous
> structures:
> This delegation is not meant to eclipse [1]Translation Team, its [2]
> coordinators, or any other party interested in helping out with
> localization.
>  
> I hope it is taken well. It does not modify the motions in place at all.
> 
> Regards,
> Sebastian
> 
> El 05/04/16 a las 04:32, Tony Anderson escribió:
> 
> I submitted motions to the Board as follows:
> 
> I move that the SugarLabs Oversight Board approve the position of
> Translation-Community Manager as described at [3][4]http://
> wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager.
> 
> I further move that Chris Leonard be named to this position effective
> immediately.
> 
> At Adam's request, I am adding a third motion:
> 
> I move that the Translation-Community Manager be paid a stipend of
> $1000 per month.
> 
> I would like to call for seconds to these motions.
> 
> Tony
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> 
> References:
> 
> [1] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Team
> [2] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Team/Coordinator
> [3] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager
> [4] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager
> [5] mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> [6] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

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Re: [IAEP] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Tony Anderson]

The formal motion was sent at 5pm April 5, 2016. It was seconded at 
7:25pm April 5, 2016 (both times EST). Any changes to the TCM job 
description made after the formal motion was submitted and seconded 
should not be considered in votes on the motion. Naturally, if the Board 
thinks changes are needed before the motions can be approved, new 
motions can be made.


Tony

On 04/06/2016 12:47 PM, Sebastian Silva wrote:

Hello,

I made a small contribution to the Translation Community Manager page, 
as follows:


In the first paragraph, I added the following, just to clarify what 
the page was about:

/This is a paid delegation currently being debated by SLOBs. //
/
More importantly, I added a second paragraph to link to previous 
structures:
/This delegation is not meant to eclipse //Translation Team 
//, its //coordinators 
//, or any 
other party interested in helping out with localization./


I hope it is taken well. It does not modify the motions in place at all.

Regards,
Sebastian


El 05/04/16 a las 04:32, Tony Anderson escribió:

I submitted motions to the Board as follows:

I move that the SugarLabs Oversight Board approve the position of 
Translation-Community Manager as described at 
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager.


I further move that Chris Leonard be named to this position effective 
immediately.


At Adam's request, I am adding a third motion:

I move that the Translation-Community Manager be paid a stipend of 
$1000 per month.


I would like to call for seconds to these motions.


Tony
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Re: [IAEP] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Sebastian Silva]

Hello,

I made a small contribution to the Translation Community Manager page,
as follows:

In the first paragraph, I added the following, just to clarify what the
page was about:
/This is a paid delegation currently being debated by SLOBs. //
/
More importantly, I added a second paragraph to link to previous structures:
/This delegation is not meant to eclipse //Translation Team
//, its //coordinators
//, or any
other party interested in helping out with localization./
 
I hope it is taken well. It does not modify the motions in place at all.

Regards,
Sebastian


El 05/04/16 a las 04:32, Tony Anderson escribió:
> I submitted motions to the Board as follows:
>
> I move that the SugarLabs Oversight Board approve the position of
> Translation-Community Manager as described at
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager.
>
> I further move that Chris Leonard be named to this position effective
> immediately.
>
> At Adam's request, I am adding a third motion:
>
> I move that the Translation-Community Manager be paid a stipend of
> $1000 per month.
>
> I would like to call for seconds to these motions.
>
>
> Tony
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[IAEP] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Tony Anderson]

I submitted motions to the Board as follows:

I move that the SugarLabs Oversight Board approve the position of 
Translation-Community Manager as described at 
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager.


I further move that Chris Leonard be named to this position effective 
immediately.


At Adam's request, I am adding a third motion:

I move that the Translation-Community Manager be paid a stipend of $1000 
per month.


I would like to call for seconds to these motions.


Tony
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