[IAEP] personal marketing (bottum up approach)
Dear All, In the last 24 hours I talked to 12 persons about Sugar. - 6 persons have downloaded sugar and said to give feedback on Sugar - I have send a request for testing to i-netw...@dgroups.org. This is one the main mailinglistings in Africa. My findings so far: 1. Asking people to help works. I ask can you help me. Can you download an iso, burn it to cd, boot it, and give you opinion an email? This is very effective in shifting from talking about to doing. 2. The download seems to be slow. Possible sollution, shall I ask for bandwith to mirror the iso image? Can someone make familiar with an optimal solution (syncing/redirecting). kind regards, Marten -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] personal marketing (bottum up approach)
One thing solution we use at openSUSE to get increcremental images, ie... you have an older version of SOAS or sugar or whatever image, but you want a newer one, well solution is to use rsync, but this would need to be enabled by the host (ie wherever all this is being hosted downloaded from [bernie, caroline?]): First check the latest image at: (This definetly works with openSUSE where sugar is completely integrated, even with an icon on the desktop that takes you straight into sugar from the desktop. The address for either SugarSuse or openSUSE-edu is here: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/images/iso/ ) The Soas images (snapshots, ie latests sugar) are here as far as I can tell: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/ Copy old image with exactly same name as new image available: cp oldimage.iso exact-name-new-image-is.iso Run rsync again to patch it: rsync -avP rsync://mirror.leaseweb.com/opensuse/repositories/Education/images/iso/exact-name-new-image-is.iso . Dot at the end with space before it is part of the command. This will download only the bytes that have changed, which in some cases is just few MBs, saving few GBs of download. Obviously p2p is another good solution to get initial images going if a couple of people choose to upload to linuxtracker.org or something... kind Regards, David (Nubae) Van Assche On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: Dear All, In the last 24 hours I talked to 12 persons about Sugar. - 6 persons have downloaded sugar and said to give feedback on Sugar - I have send a request for testing to i-netw...@dgroups.org. This is one the main mailinglistings in Africa. My findings so far: 1. Asking people to help works. I ask can you help me. Can you download an iso, burn it to cd, boot it, and give you opinion an email? This is very effective in shifting from talking about to doing. 2. The download seems to be slow. Possible sollution, shall I ask for bandwith to mirror the iso image? Can someone make familiar with an optimal solution (syncing/redirecting). kind regards, Marten -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] personal marketing (bottum up approach)
Thanks David, I will go for bandwith then asking for rsync as requirement. A torrend would optional. Some things I would like to assure mirrors have to: - have directory layout - same names Features I would also like to have - having a Last_version symlink to the last version. (keep links valid over time) - md5sums - list of mirrors on the website - or better mirror autoselection Besides from getting bandwidth is there a way I can help to achieve this? (I guess ssh access would be needed) Kind regards, Marten On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 12:10 +0200, David Van Assche wrote: One thing solution we use at openSUSE to get increcremental images, ie... you have an older version of SOAS or sugar or whatever image, but you want a newer one, well solution is to use rsync, but this would need to be enabled by the host (ie wherever all this is being hosted downloaded from [bernie, caroline?]): First check the latest image at: (This definetly works with openSUSE where sugar is completely integrated, even with an icon on the desktop that takes you straight into sugar from the desktop. The address for either SugarSuse or openSUSE-edu is here: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/images/iso/ ) The Soas images (snapshots, ie latests sugar) are here as far as I can tell: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/ Copy old image with exactly same name as new image available: cp oldimage.iso exact-name-new-image-is.iso Run rsync again to patch it: rsync -avP rsync://mirror.leaseweb.com/opensuse/repositories/Education/images/iso/exact-name-new-image-is.iso . Dot at the end with space before it is part of the command. This will download only the bytes that have changed, which in some cases is just few MBs, saving few GBs of download. Obviously p2p is another good solution to get initial images going if a couple of people choose to upload to linuxtracker.org or something... kind Regards, David (Nubae) Van Assche On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: Dear All, In the last 24 hours I talked to 12 persons about Sugar. - 6 persons have downloaded sugar and said to give feedback on Sugar - I have send a request for testing to i-netw...@dgroups.org. This is one the main mailinglistings in Africa. My findings so far: 1. Asking people to help works. I ask can you help me. Can you download an iso, burn it to cd, boot it, and give you opinion an email? This is very effective in shifting from talking about to doing. 2. The download seems to be slow. Possible sollution, shall I ask for bandwith to mirror the iso image? Can someone make familiar with an optimal solution (syncing/redirecting). kind regards, Marten -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] personal marketing (bottum up approach)
I think that there is a kind of formal technical/distribution position forming here. Ie... someone that would be responsible for supporting distribution methods of sugar (this should not be confused with QA, bugsquad or anything else) It just needs to be a person that can say all the available methods of distribution, and perhaps working on communication between distros and Sugar team... what do u guys think? Marten or I are both capable of doing this job just fine, but it kind of overlaps with the infrastructure team... we'd need to be sure like Marten says we have access to a server to set up rsync, torrent distribution and even our own build Service (openSUSE build service is totally gpl ;-) ) What should this position be called, I have no idea, I came up with lateral distro architect, but I have no idea if that is specific enough or even too generic. What do u think? perhaps forming a team that me and marten can be integrated with seams obvious for the time being. Both of us also want to work towards centralised distribution methods that are push and not just pull, whatever they might be. I'm forwarding this to sugar-devel as well as this has to do with them too, and an olpc rep so that we can make sure they know what we are doing with sugar distribution. kind Regards, David (Nubae) Van Assche On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: Thanks David, I will go for bandwith then asking for rsync as requirement. A torrend would optional. Some things I would like to assure mirrors have to: - have directory layout - same names Features I would also like to have - having a Last_version symlink to the last version. (keep links valid over time) - md5sums - list of mirrors on the website - or better mirror autoselection Besides from getting bandwidth is there a way I can help to achieve this? (I guess ssh access would be needed) Kind regards, Marten On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 12:10 +0200, David Van Assche wrote: One thing solution we use at openSUSE to get increcremental images, ie... you have an older version of SOAS or sugar or whatever image, but you want a newer one, well solution is to use rsync, but this would need to be enabled by the host (ie wherever all this is being hosted downloaded from [bernie, caroline?]): First check the latest image at: (This definetly works with openSUSE where sugar is completely integrated, even with an icon on the desktop that takes you straight into sugar from the desktop. The address for either SugarSuse or openSUSE-edu is here: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/images/iso/ ) The Soas images (snapshots, ie latests sugar) are here as far as I can tell: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/ Copy old image with exactly same name as new image available: cp oldimage.iso exact-name-new-image-is.iso Run rsync again to patch it: rsync -avP rsync://mirror.leaseweb.com/opensuse/repositories/Education/images/iso/exact-name-new-image-is.iso . Dot at the end with space before it is part of the command. This will download only the bytes that have changed, which in some cases is just few MBs, saving few GBs of download. Obviously p2p is another good solution to get initial images going if a couple of people choose to upload to linuxtracker.org or something... kind Regards, David (Nubae) Van Assche On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: Dear All, In the last 24 hours I talked to 12 persons about Sugar. - 6 persons have downloaded sugar and said to give feedback on Sugar - I have send a request for testing to i-netw...@dgroups.org. This is one the main mailinglistings in Africa. My findings so far: 1. Asking people to help works. I ask can you help me. Can you download an iso, burn it to cd, boot it, and give you opinion an email? This is very effective in shifting from talking about to doing. 2. The download seems to be slow. Possible sollution, shall I ask for bandwith to mirror the iso image? Can someone make familiar with an optimal solution (syncing/redirecting). kind regards, Marten -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/
