Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] Fwd: [Sur] sugarlabs.org: sugerencia
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 03:31:29PM -0700, Josh Williams wrote: Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:42:32PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: Alas, if I had the technical chops to code what is necessary, I would have done so already :-( [...] Designing a slick, integrated site can come later as far as I'm concerned (other priorities more important) but we could go to single-window tomorrow if every site section had a link to the homepage, which they do not :-( I'm happy to submit the HTML changes to www.sugarlabs.org, the wiki and download logo home links already take one back to www.sl.o, so that just leaves activities.sl.o, right? I'm working on the front end for ASLO, I don't know who is going to put the navigation code into the php templates, I could do it, but I haven't really touched them as of yet. If someone is planning on putting an additional navigation, please send me a message to coordinate. Otherwise: well, as a curent ASLO maint I'm ok with pushing navigation bar with your new ASLO front end The ul id=nav-access is probably not the best place to put it (even though it's the most logical). I would prefer it placed in div id=page-title and have a ul with an id named=sugar-nav (or similar) created. do you have an account on git.sl.o? I could add you to slo-activities project Also, if someone could ad the class sugar to the body tag of ASLO - or give me approval to do so, it would be appreciated : ) . you can do it in master branch(devel branch) or in private branch if you want. but take into account the fact that we'll have to merge upstream commits later, so changes should be as local as possible -- Aleksey ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] Fwd: [Sur] sugarlabs.org: sugerencia
Again, we need at least basically consistent navigation. Christian told me earlier this week he would probably have time to work on that this weekend. We could advance more rapidly if no one is suprised when Christian adapts my April 3rd suggestion: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/marketing/2009-April/000742.html thanks Sean 2009/4/30 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: Paola is a teacher from .uy and is reminding us how confusing is for Sugar users that the activities page opens in a new window. Could we please change it to open in the existing window? Thanks, Tomeu -- Forwarded message -- From: Paola Bruccoleri pbruccol...@adinet.com.uy Date: 2009/4/30 Subject: [Sur] sugarlabs.org: sugerencia To: olpc-...@lists.laptop.org Hola... he estado navegando con una xo y buscando actividades desde el sitio de sugarlabs... Si entro al sitio www.sugarlabs.org y luego elijo la opción activities, se abre una nueva ventana, interior, donde es un poco más engorroso moverse en ella porque se reduce el espacio. Claro que si uso una pc común y navego con firefox, es útil porque se me abre una nueva pestaña, pero en la xo no queda muy usable. Claro que se podría entrar directamente a http://activities.sugarlabs.org ya que no es difícil recordarlo, pero el sitio aparece en idioma inglés por defecto. Queda un poco incómodo y poco visible el que esté para elegir el idioma abajo de todo a la derecha para poderlo cambiar.. Es sólo una simple sugerencia, para mejorarle las cosas a los usuarios.. chauu === A/P Paola Bruccoleri Arrambide San José de Mayo - San José URUGUAY Usuario Linux Counter: #353833 (desde 29-04-04) Blog: http://paolabruccoleri.reducativa.com Wiki: http://wiki.reducativa.com Material sobre las XO: http://www.reducativa.com/wiki/index.php?title=Proyecto_OLPC_-_Plan_Ceibal Cartillas XO Sugar 8.2: http://www.reducativa.com/wiki/index.php?title=Cartillas_sobre_uso_de_la_XO Visita el Portal Educativo http://www.reducativa.com.uy ___ Lista olpc-Sur olpc-...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-sur ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] Fwd: [Sur] sugarlabs.org: sugerencia
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 08:14:06PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: Again, we need at least basically consistent navigation. I'm surprised such a high (worth a month's delay before a volunteer can work on designing a solution) bar was set for such a simple (remove target=_blank), obviously useful (works in Sugar's own browser, requested by a developer and an educator and probably other) and improvable (can be removed later) feature. We could advance more rapidly if no one is suprised when Christian adapts my April 3rd suggestion: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/marketing/2009-April/000742.html I don't know that I understand your suggestion(s), unfortunately (but I don't have to, I guess). I think you're suggesting consistent navigation among all four sites, by redesigning...just the navigation section on all four (activities, wiki, www, download .sugarlabs.org)? Just the sugarlabs.org site? The main thing that struck me about the email you referenced was the amount of discussion about the sitemap. As I'm probably not the target audience you may ignore this data point, but for what its worth the main thought I had after reading your email was: I've never used a sitemap. If I can't find it, I use google. It seems relevant that to get Fedora or Ubuntu or Firefox, the first hit on Google for each has a prominent link to download, and: - Ubuntu's download link is prominent and central, and resulting page a) opens within the same window; and b) with similar look and feel. The top-right navigation section reminded me a lot of what I thought you might have meant in your message (see below). Quite central is some text *explaining* Ubuntu. - Fedora's download link is prominent but but not central; I thought this was bad until I realized the central link *explained* Fedora, which is an interesting tradeoff that might be adoptable for www.sugarlabs.org. - Firefox's download link is prominent and central. Barely (but still) above the fold, with a huge-lettered title, is a section *explaining* Firefox. thanks Sean Martin PS - thanks for all the work; I don't mean to sound ungrateful (hopefully at worst this sounds brusqe)...just trying to communicate as explicitly as possible to waste as little (more) of your time... pgpQybUttV0ez.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] Fwd: [Sur] sugarlabs.org: sugerencia
Alas, if I had the technical chops to code what is necessary, I would have done so already :-( the fundamental problem is that several parts of the SL site are traps for unsophisticated users: they can get in, but they can't get back out and can't get back to the homepage. The absence of links between the site sections also interferes with our referencing, but we've mitigated that by linking the wiki logo to the site homepage. Counter-intuitive for users who were used to the wiki being the main site, but perfectly normal for first-time users. I myself manage to find most of what I need on the SL site sections (except for dark corners of the wiki where I have posted stuff and have no idea how to ever find it again) and when in trouble I google with the site: option. Designing a slick, integrated site can come later as far as I'm concerned (other priorities more important) but we could go to single-window tomorrow if every site section had a link to the homepage, which they do not :-( Sean On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:25 PM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 08:14:06PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: Again, we need at least basically consistent navigation. I'm surprised such a high (worth a month's delay before a volunteer can work on designing a solution) bar was set for such a simple (remove target=_blank), obviously useful (works in Sugar's own browser, requested by a developer and an educator and probably other) and improvable (can be removed later) feature. We could advance more rapidly if no one is suprised when Christian adapts my April 3rd suggestion: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/marketing/2009-April/000742.html I don't know that I understand your suggestion(s), unfortunately (but I don't have to, I guess). I think you're suggesting consistent navigation among all four sites, by redesigning...just the navigation section on all four (activities, wiki, www, download .sugarlabs.org)? Just the sugarlabs.org site? The main thing that struck me about the email you referenced was the amount of discussion about the sitemap. As I'm probably not the target audience you may ignore this data point, but for what its worth the main thought I had after reading your email was: I've never used a sitemap. If I can't find it, I use google. It seems relevant that to get Fedora or Ubuntu or Firefox, the first hit on Google for each has a prominent link to download, and: - Ubuntu's download link is prominent and central, and resulting page a) opens within the same window; and b) with similar look and feel. The top-right navigation section reminded me a lot of what I thought you might have meant in your message (see below). Quite central is some text *explaining* Ubuntu. - Fedora's download link is prominent but but not central; I thought this was bad until I realized the central link *explained* Fedora, which is an interesting tradeoff that might be adoptable for www.sugarlabs.org. - Firefox's download link is prominent and central. Barely (but still) above the fold, with a huge-lettered title, is a section *explaining* Firefox. thanks Sean Martin PS - thanks for all the work; I don't mean to sound ungrateful (hopefully at worst this sounds brusqe)...just trying to communicate as explicitly as possible to waste as little (more) of your time... ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] Fwd: [Sur] sugarlabs.org: sugerencia
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:42:32PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: Alas, if I had the technical chops to code what is necessary, I would have done so already :-( [...] Designing a slick, integrated site can come later as far as I'm concerned (other priorities more important) but we could go to single-window tomorrow if every site section had a link to the homepage, which they do not :-( I'm happy to submit the HTML changes to www.sugarlabs.org, the wiki and download logo home links already take one back to www.sl.o, so that just leaves activities.sl.o, right? the fundamental problem is that several parts of the SL site are traps for unsophisticated users: they can get in, but they can't get back out and can't get back to the homepage. Yeah but now they can get *to* the wiki or activities in order to get lost trying to get back, right (I thought that was the argument, but maybe I misunderstood)? Sean Martin pgp98DSarTwEz.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] Fwd: [Sur] sugarlabs.org: sugerencia
Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:42:32PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: Alas, if I had the technical chops to code what is necessary, I would have done so already :-( [...] Designing a slick, integrated site can come later as far as I'm concerned (other priorities more important) but we could go to single-window tomorrow if every site section had a link to the homepage, which they do not :-( I'm happy to submit the HTML changes to www.sugarlabs.org, the wiki and download logo home links already take one back to www.sl.o, so that just leaves activities.sl.o, right? I'm working on the front end for ASLO, I don't know who is going to put the navigation code into the php templates, I could do it, but I haven't really touched them as of yet. If someone is planning on putting an additional navigation, please send me a message to coordinate. Otherwise: The ul id=nav-access is probably not the best place to put it (even though it's the most logical). I would prefer it placed in div id=page-title and have a ul with an id named=sugar-nav (or similar) created. Also, if someone could ad the class sugar to the body tag of ASLO - or give me approval to do so, it would be appreciated : ) . Josh the fundamental problem is that several parts of the SL site are traps for unsophisticated users: they can get in, but they can't get back out and can't get back to the homepage. Yeah but now they can get *to* the wiki or activities in order to get lost trying to get back, right (I thought that was the argument, but maybe I misunderstood)? Sean Martin ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
