Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] next SLOBs meeting reminder/agenda: 2009-10-30
Quick note: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Requesting_a_SLOBs_decision Better minutes/announcement-to-list/blog-post-to-Planet forthcoming, but I wanted to close the conversation loop here with the updated decision making procedure we came up with at Friday's SLOBs meeting. --Mel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] next SLOBs meeting reminder/agenda: 2009-10-30
It's important to have a mechanism for overruling anyone who might wish to be obstructionist... or simply totally absent. None in the present company of course :-) but longer term to conserve decision-making ability we need a safety valve to escape paralysis if for any reason an OB member always votes against consensus, or is unwilling or unable to exercise the function. For this second case, naturally, the devil is in the details concerning how to determine when a member is considered no longer available. Lack of meeting participation plus responses to formal votes within a time limit could be the way to deal with that. Of course, taking into account communicated absences... I'm thinking of my move + summer vacation which had me out of circulation for awhile. thanks Sean On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 23:46, Mel Chua m...@melchua.com wrote: [snip] * We need a good laying-out of options on http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Requesting_a_SLOBs_decision. I'll call for help on Planet and the mailing lists again shortly. Have summarized the main points about decision-making in the wiki: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Requesting_a_SLOBs_decision#How_a_SLOBs_decision_is_made How a SLOBs decision is made Once the board has agreed on making a decision on a particular issue, we need to define how such decision will be made. Some questions that would matter: * should all decisions require the same level of agreement? Maybe changing the rules require a stronger agreement such as unanimity or a greater quorum? * voting medium: IRC, email, something else? If an async medium such as email is chosen, which is the time limit for voting? Some decisions will be urgent. * voting system, some options, 1: unanimous consensus needed, 2: unanimous nondissent needed (either consensus or abstain), 3: majority needed, no dissent (at least 4 yea, no nay), 4: simple voting (more yeas than nays). Please chime in here or add to the wiki if there's anything relevant missing. Thanks, Tomeu -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ SLOBs mailing list sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] next SLOBs meeting reminder/agenda: 2009-10-30
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 23:46, Mel Chua m...@melchua.com wrote: Three quick notes about our next meeting (same time, same place - #sugar-meeting at 1400 UTC Friday 30 Oct): 1. A place for the agenda is here. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Meeting_Log-2009-10-30. If you'd like to add something for consideration for the agenda, see http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Minutes#How_to_add_topics. You'll notice that I'm proposing that we dedicate our next SLOBs meeting entirely towards solidifying a clear way for SL community members to request, and SLOBs to make, decisions - one that doesn't necessarily rely on 100% SLOBs attendance + consensus (or confirming that that's the only option that we want, if that's the case). It doesn't mean the decision-making procedure will be perfect - only that it be operational, working, and able to amend itself by meeting's end. *Please* speak up if there is something more urgent that should trump this, or if you disagree; I personally think a way to make decisions is a prerequisite for handling the other urgent issues we have coming up (such as SoaS trademarking) well, but suggestions on how to do this better are *always* welcome. 2. In order for this to work, a few things have to happen. * We need 100% SLOBs attendance and participation (and consensus on the final set of options) at the next SLOBs meeting. * We need a good laying-out of options on http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Requesting_a_SLOBs_decision. I'll call for help on Planet and the mailing lists again shortly. * We need everyone who's going to participate in the discussion (SLOBs, anyone who wants to chime in at the meeting, anyone who can't make the meeting but wants to chime in on the mailing list beforehand) to read and consider http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Requesting_a_SLOBs_decision, and be up-to-date on that page at meeting time. That's it. I believe this will bootstrap SLOBs into being able to move *far* more easily and efficiently in the future. But it does mean that, for one week, we *may get nothing else done.* (Or rather, may have to get everything else done on mailing lists rather than at our meeting.) That's the tradeoff I would choose, and the one I propose - I'm curious to hear what others think, though, so please fire away. Just to say that I agree with all of that and trust that tomorrow we'll give the last push to the decision-making process. For now, seems to be quite uncontroversial ;) See you tomorrow, Tomeu -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
