Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] "SoaS For Dummies?"

[Thomas C Gilliard]

Caryl Bigenho wrote:

Hi Bert, Tom, and All,

In case you are all wondering why I want to make this so easy, remember that while I am sort of a "closet techie" and could learn to do all these fancy work-arounds, I also have many years experience working with  and training other educators who are very shy about using computers. 


For most of them it has to be very simple and work almost as a "plug-'n-play." 
Even the boot-helper disk is a stretch, but I think it is doable with some very clear 
step-by-step instructions. It needs to be easy, and hopefully fun, with a high 
probability of success.

Bert wrote:

The iso file is a "CD image". ISO is short for "ISO 9660", a.k.a. "CDFS (Compact 
Disc File System)". It is a file system designed for CDs, which is read-only.

So, I could save money and just use an image on a cd, but unfortunately the live CD will not boot on a MacBook. It needs a boot helper cd to run the usb stick version and there is only one optical drive on the machine. 


Probably about 50% of the teachers will have Macs.

And, Tom suggested using Virtual Box:

I really didn't want to use the Virtual Box again. I did that with an early 
version of Strawberry.  I think the Virtual Box would be a deal breaker for a 
lot of teachers, whereas a usb version with the boot helper cd should be quite 
acceptable and easy to use. That is why I was hoping to get a usb version that 
could be used on both PCs and Macs.

After all the advice I got from you folks, I ordered a refurbished eeePC 900 with Windows 
XP today.  It will arrive Monday.  I chose to get one with Windows XP because the Fedora 
Live USB Creator seems to be the easiest route to success... sort of "SoaS for 
Dummies!"

So... according to the instructions at  you download the blueberry image while in the LiveUSB Creator.  Rather than downloading all over again, can I just plug in one of my usb sticks with SoaS (created on the Mac) and use it?  Or could I download it to the eeePC once and use it there?  What would be the easiest, most fool-proof way to do this? 

  

Caryl;
YOU DO NOT NEED external CD to do this:
* Copy-paste the file from the SugarCreation Kit CD onto 
an empty USB inserted in your MAC
* transfer the .iso to your EeePC900 by inserting that USB into the 
EeePC900 and (drag - drop/copy-paste) the .iso to the XP Desktop.


* Install Liveusb-creator for Windows:  (See attached .png file)
   https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/
* Use Liveusb-creator for windows to make a soas USB with it.
* Do not do a Download again. use left  select box (use existing live 
CD/ Browse) to find the blueberry.iso on the XP Desktop
* Insert a new target USB  (2GB fat16) into EeePC900 ad see it appear in 
Target Device window

* move slider to set persistence storage (Max it )
*Create Live USB: )
Very simple

You can repeat this process for as many USB sticks that you want.

Tom Gilliard
satellit
-
note:
If you get a message in graphical window :"... reset mbr"
exit the running graphical liveusb-creator
and start windows terminal
enter "liveusb-creator --reset-mbr"
it will restart graphical liveusb-creator using this extra command.


I do plan to purchase an optical drive as well, so I could put the image on cd. 
I could probably pick one up tomorrow or Sunday at Fry's so I would have it 
when the eeePC arrives Monday.

 If the CD/DVD will work for accessing the files in the LiveUSB Creator process, I could 
make a mini-version of Tom's Soas Creation Kit with just a few files and hand it out at 
InfoTech.  I would probably just include the blueberry iso file, the boot-helper file, 
and maybe some instructions in a text file. What else would be good to include on this 
"SoaS For Dummies" disk? Remember KISS.

Thanks for helping get this ready for the "Big Time!"
Caryl
 		 	   		  

  



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Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] "SoaS For Dummies?"

[Thomas C Gilliard]

Caryl;
look at my 3 stick setup with EeePC900 for using liveusb-creator 
installed onto the running blueberry USB

http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/f13-Installer-USB2.JPG

To Boot EeePC900
hit power on button
hit  repeatedly while starting
select USB to boot from from menu

==To install==
in terminal of running USB
su -
"yum install liveusb-creator"

when install finishes

still in terminal:"liveusb-creator --reset-mbr"

graphical program starts

KEY
in attached jpg:
EeePC900 running liveusb-creator
left usb has iso  (transferred from MAC)
top right USB is target USB
bottom right USB is Booted Blueberry USB

Quite simple actually...

Tom Gilliard
satellit

Caryl Bigenho wrote:

Hi Bert, Tom, and All,

In case you are all wondering why I want to make this so easy, remember that while I am sort of a "closet techie" and could learn to do all these fancy work-arounds, I also have many years experience working with  and training other educators who are very shy about using computers. 


For most of them it has to be very simple and work almost as a "plug-'n-play." 
Even the boot-helper disk is a stretch, but I think it is doable with some very clear 
step-by-step instructions. It needs to be easy, and hopefully fun, with a high 
probability of success.

Bert wrote:

The iso file is a "CD image". ISO is short for "ISO 9660", a.k.a. "CDFS (Compact 
Disc File System)". It is a file system designed for CDs, which is read-only.

So, I could save money and just use an image on a cd, but unfortunately the live CD will not boot on a MacBook. It needs a boot helper cd to run the usb stick version and there is only one optical drive on the machine. 


Probably about 50% of the teachers will have Macs.

And, Tom suggested using Virtual Box:

I really didn't want to use the Virtual Box again. I did that with an early 
version of Strawberry.  I think the Virtual Box would be a deal breaker for a 
lot of teachers, whereas a usb version with the boot helper cd should be quite 
acceptable and easy to use. That is why I was hoping to get a usb version that 
could be used on both PCs and Macs.

After all the advice I got from you folks, I ordered a refurbished eeePC 900 with Windows 
XP today.  It will arrive Monday.  I chose to get one with Windows XP because the Fedora 
Live USB Creator seems to be the easiest route to success... sort of "SoaS for 
Dummies!"

So... according to the instructions at  you download the blueberry image while in the LiveUSB Creator.  Rather than downloading all over again, can I just plug in one of my usb sticks with SoaS (created on the Mac) and use it?  Or could I download it to the eeePC once and use it there?  What would be the easiest, most fool-proof way to do this? 


I do plan to purchase an optical drive as well, so I could put the image on cd. 
I could probably pick one up tomorrow or Sunday at Fry's so I would have it 
when the eeePC arrives Monday.

 If the CD/DVD will work for accessing the files in the LiveUSB Creator process, I could 
make a mini-version of Tom's Soas Creation Kit with just a few files and hand it out at 
InfoTech.  I would probably just include the blueberry iso file, the boot-helper file, 
and maybe some instructions in a text file. What else would be good to include on this 
"SoaS For Dummies" disk? Remember KISS.

Thanks for helping get this ready for the "Big Time!"
Caryl
 		 	   		  

  



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Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] "SoaS For Dummies?"

[Caryl Bigenho]

Thanks Tom for the confirmation!  I suspected it might work like that, but not 
being a PC person, I wasn't sure.

Sounds like a "piece of cake." 

Caryl

Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:08:38 -0700
From: satel...@bendbroadband.com
To: cbige...@hotmail.com
CC: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; support-g...@laptop.org
Subject: Re: [SoaS] "SoaS For Dummies?"






  






Caryl Bigenho wrote:

  Hi Bert, Tom, and All,

In case you are all wondering why I want to make this so easy, remember that 
while I am sort of a "closet techie" and could learn to do all these fancy 
work-arounds, I also have many years experience working with  and training 
other educators who are very shy about using computers. 

For most of them it has to be very simple and work almost as a "plug-'n-play." 
Even the boot-helper disk is a stretch, but I think it is doable with some very 
clear step-by-step instructions. It needs to be easy, and hopefully fun, with a 
high probability of success.

Bert wrote:

The iso file is a "CD image". ISO is short for "ISO 9660", a.k.a. "CDFS 
(Compact Disc File System)". It is a file system designed for CDs, which is 
read-only.

So, I could save money and just use an image on a cd, but unfortunately the 
live CD will not boot on a MacBook. It needs a boot helper cd to run the usb 
stick version and there is only one optical drive on the machine. 

Probably about 50% of the teachers will have Macs.

And, Tom suggested using Virtual Box:

I really didn't want to use the Virtual Box again. I did that with an early 
version of Strawberry.  I think the Virtual Box would be a deal breaker for a 
lot of teachers, whereas a usb version with the boot helper cd should be quite 
acceptable and easy to use. That is why I was hoping to get a usb version that 
could be used on both PCs and Macs.

After all the advice I got from you folks, I ordered a refurbished eeePC 900 
with Windows XP today.  It will arrive Monday.  I chose to get one with Windows 
XP because the Fedora Live USB Creator seems to be the easiest route to 
success... sort of "SoaS for Dummies!"

So... according to the instructions at 
 you download the 
blueberry image while in the LiveUSB Creator.  Rather than downloading all over 
again, can I just plug in one of my usb sticks with SoaS (created on the Mac) 
and use it?  Or could I download it to the eeePC once and use it there?  What 
would be the easiest, most fool-proof way to do this? 

  

Caryl;

YOU DO NOT NEED external CD to do this:

* Copy-paste the file from the SugarCreation Kit
CD onto an empty USB inserted in your MAC

* transfer the .iso to your EeePC900 by inserting that USB into the
EeePC900 and (drag - drop/copy-paste) the .iso to the XP Desktop.



* Install Liveusb-creator for Windows:  (See attached .png file)

https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/

* Use Liveusb-creator for windows to make a soas USB with it. 

* Do not do a Download again. use left  select box (use existing live
CD/ Browse) to find the blueberry.iso on the XP Desktop

* Insert a new target USB  (2GB fat16) into EeePC900 ad see it appear
in Target Device window

* move slider to set persistence storage (Max it )

*Create Live USB: )

Very simple 



You can repeat this process for as many USB sticks that you want.



Tom Gilliard

satellit

-

note: 

If you get a message in graphical window :"... reset mbr"

exit the running graphical liveusb-creator

and start windows terminal

enter "liveusb-creator --reset-mbr"

it will restart graphical liveusb-creator using this extra command.




  I do plan to purchase an optical drive as well, so I could put the image on 
cd. I could probably pick one up tomorrow or Sunday at Fry's so I would have it 
when the eeePC arrives Monday.

 If the CD/DVD will work for accessing the files in the LiveUSB Creator 
process, I could make a mini-version of Tom's Soas Creation Kit with just a few 
files and hand it out at InfoTech.  I would probably just include the blueberry 
iso file, the boot-helper file, and maybe some instructions in a text file. 
What else would be good to include on this "SoaS For Dummies" disk? Remember 
KISS.

Thanks for helping get this ready for the "Big Time!"
Caryl
  

  
  
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Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] "SoaS For Dummies?"

[Thomas C Gilliard]

Caryl;

I just bought a G1G1 XO-1 on e-bay for testing.
* I requested and downloaded a developer key
* disabled security (very important!)
* installed f11-xo-1-py  (fedora 11 gnome and sugar)
http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/f11-xo1-py/os140py.img
http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/f11-xo1-py/os140py.crc

This is great software and expands the capabilities of the OLPC XO-1
that bernie has developed for the Paraguay deployment (english and spanish)

In the Gnome desktop terminal program on the XO-1:
 su
 yum install liveusb-creator

liveusb-creator runs using 2 USB sticks:
1-) Target USB 2GB or larger
2-) USB with Blueberry/strawberry.iso's (downloaded on another PC)

  >DO NOT DOWNLOAD soas.iso's to the XO-1<
   It has too small a working solid state HD to do this.
This is very similar to running a 3 stick solution on a EeePC900

The XO-1 is much slower (50min for Blueberry soas) than the EeePC900;
but it makes Soas Live USB's fine.
(Plus they boot on the XO-1, just leave them inserted and do a shutdown 
and restart.)
I just did this with the soas-2-blueberry.iso and it boots on the XO-1 
plus on the EeePC900.
(A EeePC900 livecd-iso-to-disk script created live usb will not boot on 
the XO-1)

This could be a nice way to demonstrate sugar and the OLPC XO-1
while it makes and runs Soas Live USB's


Tom Gilliard
satellit






Caryl Bigenho wrote:
> Thanks Tom for the confirmation!  I suspected it might work like that, but 
> not being a PC person, I wasn't sure.
>
> Sounds like a "piece of cake." 
>
> Caryl
>
> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:08:38 -0700
> From: satel...@bendbroadband.com
> To: cbige...@hotmail.com
> CC: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; 
> support-g...@laptop.org
> Subject: Re: [SoaS] "SoaS For Dummies?"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Caryl Bigenho wrote:
>
>   Hi Bert, Tom, and All,
>
> In case you are all wondering why I want to make this so easy, remember that 
> while I am sort of a "closet techie" and could learn to do all these fancy 
> work-arounds, I also have many years experience working with  and training 
> other educators who are very shy about using computers. 
>
> For most of them it has to be very simple and work almost as a 
> "plug-'n-play." Even the boot-helper disk is a stretch, but I think it is 
> doable with some very clear step-by-step instructions. It needs to be easy, 
> and hopefully fun, with a high probability of success.
>
> Bert wrote:
>
> The iso file is a "CD image". ISO is short for "ISO 9660", a.k.a. "CDFS 
> (Compact Disc File System)". It is a file system designed for CDs, which is 
> read-only.
>
> So, I could save money and just use an image on a cd, but unfortunately the 
> live CD will not boot on a MacBook. It needs a boot helper cd to run the usb 
> stick version and there is only one optical drive on the machine. 
>
> Probably about 50% of the teachers will have Macs.
>
> And, Tom suggested using Virtual Box:
>
> I really didn't want to use the Virtual Box again. I did that with an early 
> version of Strawberry.  I think the Virtual Box would be a deal breaker for a 
> lot of teachers, whereas a usb version with the boot helper cd should be 
> quite acceptable and easy to use. That is why I was hoping to get a usb 
> version that could be used on both PCs and Macs.
>
> After all the advice I got from you folks, I ordered a refurbished eeePC 900 
> with Windows XP today.  It will arrive Monday.  I chose to get one with 
> Windows XP because the Fedora Live USB Creator seems to be the easiest route 
> to success... sort of "SoaS for Dummies!"
>
> So... according to the instructions at 
>  you download the 
> blueberry image while in the LiveUSB Creator.  Rather than downloading all 
> over again, can I just plug in one of my usb sticks with SoaS (created on the 
> Mac) and use it?  Or could I download it to the eeePC once and use it there?  
> What would be the easiest, most fool-proof way to do this? 
>
>   
>
> Caryl;
>
> YOU DO NOT NEED external CD to do this:
>
> * Copy-paste the file from the SugarCreation Kit
> CD onto an empty USB inserted in your MAC
>
> * transfer the .iso to your EeePC900 by inserting that USB into the
> EeePC900 and (drag - drop/copy-paste) the .iso to the XP Desktop.
>
>
>
> * Install Liveusb-creator for Windows:  (See attached .png file)
>
> https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/
>
> * Use Liveusb-creator for windows to make a soas USB with it. 
>
> * Do not do a Download again. use left  select box (use existing live
> CD/ Browse) to find the blueberry.iso on the XP Desktop
>
> * Insert a new target USB  (2GB fat16) into EeePC900 ad see it appear
> in Target Device window
>
> * move slider to set persistence storage (Max it )
>
> *Create Live USB: )
>
> Very simple 
>
>
>
> You can repeat this process for as many USB sticks that you want.
>
>
>
> Tom Gilliard
>
> satellit
>
> -
>

Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] "SoaS For Dummies?"

[Gerald Ardito]

I am excited about trying this. I manage a deployment of 140 XO-1's in a
school in Westchester County, New York and have really wanted to upgrade our
software from the official build.
How do I "disable security?"

Many thanks.
Gerald

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Thomas C Gilliard <
satel...@bendbroadband.com> wrote:

> Caryl;
>
> I just bought a G1G1 XO-1 on e-bay for testing.
> * I requested and downloaded a developer key
> * disabled security (very important!)
> * installed f11-xo-1-py  (fedora 11 gnome and sugar)
> http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/f11-xo1-py/os140py.img
> http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/f11-xo1-py/os140py.crc
>
> This is great software and expands the capabilities of the OLPC XO-1
> that bernie has developed for the Paraguay deployment (english and spanish)
>
> In the Gnome desktop terminal program on the XO-1:
>  su
>  yum install liveusb-creator
>
> liveusb-creator runs using 2 USB sticks:
> 1-) Target USB 2GB or larger
> 2-) USB with Blueberry/strawberry.iso's (downloaded on another PC)
>
>  >DO NOT DOWNLOAD soas.iso's to the XO-1<
>   It has too small a working solid state HD to do this.
> This is very similar to running a 3 stick solution on a EeePC900
>
> The XO-1 is much slower (50min for Blueberry soas) than the EeePC900;
> but it makes Soas Live USB's fine.
> (Plus they boot on the XO-1, just leave them inserted and do a shutdown
> and restart.)
> I just did this with the soas-2-blueberry.iso and it boots on the XO-1
> plus on the EeePC900.
> (A EeePC900 livecd-iso-to-disk script created live usb will not boot on
> the XO-1)
>
> This could be a nice way to demonstrate sugar and the OLPC XO-1
> while it makes and runs Soas Live USB's
>
>
> Tom Gilliard
> satellit
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Caryl Bigenho wrote:
> > Thanks Tom for the confirmation!  I suspected it might work like that,
> but not being a PC person, I wasn't sure.
> >
> > Sounds like a "piece of cake."
> >
> > Caryl
> >
> > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:08:38 -0700
> > From: satel...@bendbroadband.com
> > To: cbige...@hotmail.com
> > CC: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org;
> support-g...@laptop.org
> > Subject: Re: [SoaS] "SoaS For Dummies?"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Caryl Bigenho wrote:
> >
> >   Hi Bert, Tom, and All,
> >
> > In case you are all wondering why I want to make this so easy, remember
> that while I am sort of a "closet techie" and could learn to do all these
> fancy work-arounds, I also have many years experience working with  and
> training other educators who are very shy about using computers.
> >
> > For most of them it has to be very simple and work almost as a
> "plug-'n-play." Even the boot-helper disk is a stretch, but I think it is
> doable with some very clear step-by-step instructions. It needs to be easy,
> and hopefully fun, with a high probability of success.
> >
> > Bert wrote:
> >
> > The iso file is a "CD image". ISO is short for "ISO 9660", a.k.a. "CDFS
> (Compact Disc File System)". It is a file system designed for CDs, which is
> read-only.
> >
> > So, I could save money and just use an image on a cd, but unfortunately
> the live CD will not boot on a MacBook. It needs a boot helper cd to run the
> usb stick version and there is only one optical drive on the machine.
> >
> > Probably about 50% of the teachers will have Macs.
> >
> > And, Tom suggested using Virtual Box:
> >
> > I really didn't want to use the Virtual Box again. I did that with an
> early version of Strawberry.  I think the Virtual Box would be a deal
> breaker for a lot of teachers, whereas a usb version with the boot helper cd
> should be quite acceptable and easy to use. That is why I was hoping to get
> a usb version that could be used on both PCs and Macs.
> >
> > After all the advice I got from you folks, I ordered a refurbished eeePC
> 900 with Windows XP today.  It will arrive Monday.  I chose to get one with
> Windows XP because the Fedora Live USB Creator seems to be the easiest route
> to success... sort of "SoaS for Dummies!"
> >
> > So... according to the instructions at <
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/SoaS_Blueberry_Instructions> you download the
> blueberry image while in the LiveUSB Creator.  Rather than downloading all
> over again, can I just plug in one of my usb sticks with SoaS (created on
> the Mac) and use it?  Or could I download it to the eeePC once and use it
> there?  What would be the easiest, most fool-proof way to do this?
> >
> >
> >
> > Caryl;
> >
> > YOU DO NOT NEED external CD to do this:
> >
> > * Copy-paste the file from the SugarCreation Kit
> > CD onto an empty USB inserted in your MAC
> >
> > * transfer the .iso to your EeePC900 by inserting that USB into the
> > EeePC900 and (drag - drop/copy-paste) the .iso to the XP Desktop.
> >
> >
> >
> > * Install Liveusb-creator for Windows:  (See attached .png file)
> >
> > https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/
> >
> > * Use Liveusb-creator for windows to make a soas USB with

Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] "SoaS For Dummies?"

[Dave Bauer]

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Gerald Ardito  wrote:
> I am excited about trying this. I manage a deployment of 140 XO-1's in a
> school in Westchester County, New York and have really wanted to upgrade our
> software from the official build.
> How do I "disable security?"
>

Check out this page:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activation_and_developer_keys#Getting_a_developer_key_for_your_running_XO_laptop

You need to open Browse, click "get developer key" from the OLPC home
page (if your build is new enough) or type file:///home/.devkey.html
in the address bar. Then there are further instructions to disable
security on that wiki page

You need a key for every XO so this might be time consuming.

Dave

> Many thanks.
> Gerald
>
> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Thomas C Gilliard
>  wrote:
>>
>> Caryl;
>>
>> I just bought a G1G1 XO-1 on e-bay for testing.
>> * I requested and downloaded a developer key
>> * disabled security (very important!)
>> * installed f11-xo-1-py  (fedora 11 gnome and sugar)
>> http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/f11-xo1-py/os140py.img
>> http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/f11-xo1-py/os140py.crc
>>
>> This is great software and expands the capabilities of the OLPC XO-1
>> that bernie has developed for the Paraguay deployment (english and
>> spanish)
>>
>> In the Gnome desktop terminal program on the XO-1:
>>  su
>>  yum install liveusb-creator
>>
>> liveusb-creator runs using 2 USB sticks:
>> 1-) Target USB 2GB or larger
>> 2-) USB with Blueberry/strawberry.iso's (downloaded on another PC)
>>
>>  >DO NOT DOWNLOAD soas.iso's to the XO-1<
>>       It has too small a working solid state HD to do this.
>> This is very similar to running a 3 stick solution on a EeePC900
>>
>> The XO-1 is much slower (50min for Blueberry soas) than the EeePC900;
>> but it makes Soas Live USB's fine.
>> (Plus they boot on the XO-1, just leave them inserted and do a shutdown
>> and restart.)
>> I just did this with the soas-2-blueberry.iso and it boots on the XO-1
>> plus on the EeePC900.
>> (A EeePC900 livecd-iso-to-disk script created live usb will not boot on
>> the XO-1)
>>
>> This could be a nice way to demonstrate sugar and the OLPC XO-1
>> while it makes and runs Soas Live USB's
>>
>>
>> Tom Gilliard
>> satellit
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Caryl Bigenho wrote:
>> > Thanks Tom for the confirmation!  I suspected it might work like that,
>> > but not being a PC person, I wasn't sure.
>> >
>> > Sounds like a "piece of cake."
>> >
>> > Caryl
>> >
>> > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:08:38 -0700
>> > From: satel...@bendbroadband.com
>> > To: cbige...@hotmail.com
>> > CC: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org;
>> > support-g...@laptop.org
>> > Subject: Re: [SoaS] "SoaS For Dummies?"
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Caryl Bigenho wrote:
>> >
>> >   Hi Bert, Tom, and All,
>> >
>> > In case you are all wondering why I want to make this so easy, remember
>> > that while I am sort of a "closet techie" and could learn to do all these
>> > fancy work-arounds, I also have many years experience working with  and
>> > training other educators who are very shy about using computers.
>> >
>> > For most of them it has to be very simple and work almost as a
>> > "plug-'n-play." Even the boot-helper disk is a stretch, but I think it is
>> > doable with some very clear step-by-step instructions. It needs to be easy,
>> > and hopefully fun, with a high probability of success.
>> >
>> > Bert wrote:
>> >
>> > The iso file is a "CD image". ISO is short for "ISO 9660", a.k.a. "CDFS
>> > (Compact Disc File System)". It is a file system designed for CDs, which is
>> > read-only.
>> >
>> > So, I could save money and just use an image on a cd, but unfortunately
>> > the live CD will not boot on a MacBook. It needs a boot helper cd to run 
>> > the
>> > usb stick version and there is only one optical drive on the machine.
>> >
>> > Probably about 50% of the teachers will have Macs.
>> >
>> > And, Tom suggested using Virtual Box:
>> >
>> > I really didn't want to use the Virtual Box again. I did that with an
>> > early version of Strawberry.  I think the Virtual Box would be a deal
>> > breaker for a lot of teachers, whereas a usb version with the boot helper 
>> > cd
>> > should be quite acceptable and easy to use. That is why I was hoping to get
>> > a usb version that could be used on both PCs and Macs.
>> >
>> > After all the advice I got from you folks, I ordered a refurbished eeePC
>> > 900 with Windows XP today.  It will arrive Monday.  I chose to get one with
>> > Windows XP because the Fedora Live USB Creator seems to be the easiest 
>> > route
>> > to success... sort of "SoaS for Dummies!"
>> >
>> > So... according to the instructions at
>> >  you download the
>> > blueberry image while in the LiveUSB Creator.  Rather than downloading all
>> > over again, can I just plug in one of my usb sticks with SoaS (created on
>> > th

Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] "SoaS For Dummies?"

[Gerald Ardito]

Dave,

Thanks. I will probably train my 20 Tech Team students to do this, which
will empower them and help the process.

Gerald

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Dave Bauer  wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Gerald Ardito 
> wrote:
> > I am excited about trying this. I manage a deployment of 140 XO-1's in a
> > school in Westchester County, New York and have really wanted to upgrade
> our
> > software from the official build.
> > How do I "disable security?"
> >
>
> Check out this page:
>
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activation_and_developer_keys#Getting_a_developer_key_for_your_running_XO_laptop
>
> You need to open Browse, click "get developer key" from the OLPC home
> page (if your build is new enough) or type file:///home/.devkey.html
> in the address bar. Then there are further instructions to disable
> security on that wiki page
>
> You need a key for every XO so this might be time consuming.
>
> Dave
>
> > Many thanks.
> > Gerald
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Thomas C Gilliard
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> Caryl;
> >>
> >> I just bought a G1G1 XO-1 on e-bay for testing.
> >> * I requested and downloaded a developer key
> >> * disabled security (very important!)
> >> * installed f11-xo-1-py  (fedora 11 gnome and sugar)
> >> http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/f11-xo1-py/os140py.img
> >> http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/f11-xo1-py/os140py.crc
> >>
> >> This is great software and expands the capabilities of the OLPC XO-1
> >> that bernie has developed for the Paraguay deployment (english and
> >> spanish)
> >>
> >> In the Gnome desktop terminal program on the XO-1:
> >>  su
> >>  yum install liveusb-creator
> >>
> >> liveusb-creator runs using 2 USB sticks:
> >> 1-) Target USB 2GB or larger
> >> 2-) USB with Blueberry/strawberry.iso's (downloaded on another PC)
> >>
> >>  >DO NOT DOWNLOAD soas.iso's to the XO-1<
> >>   It has too small a working solid state HD to do this.
> >> This is very similar to running a 3 stick solution on a EeePC900
> >>
> >> The XO-1 is much slower (50min for Blueberry soas) than the EeePC900;
> >> but it makes Soas Live USB's fine.
> >> (Plus they boot on the XO-1, just leave them inserted and do a shutdown
> >> and restart.)
> >> I just did this with the soas-2-blueberry.iso and it boots on the XO-1
> >> plus on the EeePC900.
> >> (A EeePC900 livecd-iso-to-disk script created live usb will not boot on
> >> the XO-1)
> >>
> >> This could be a nice way to demonstrate sugar and the OLPC XO-1
> >> while it makes and runs Soas Live USB's
> >>
> >>
> >> Tom Gilliard
> >> satellit
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Caryl Bigenho wrote:
> >> > Thanks Tom for the confirmation!  I suspected it might work like that,
> >> > but not being a PC person, I wasn't sure.
> >> >
> >> > Sounds like a "piece of cake."
> >> >
> >> > Caryl
> >> >
> >> > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:08:38 -0700
> >> > From: satel...@bendbroadband.com
> >> > To: cbige...@hotmail.com
> >> > CC: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org;
> >> > support-g...@laptop.org
> >> > Subject: Re: [SoaS] "SoaS For Dummies?"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Caryl Bigenho wrote:
> >> >
> >> >   Hi Bert, Tom, and All,
> >> >
> >> > In case you are all wondering why I want to make this so easy,
> remember
> >> > that while I am sort of a "closet techie" and could learn to do all
> these
> >> > fancy work-arounds, I also have many years experience working with
>  and
> >> > training other educators who are very shy about using computers.
> >> >
> >> > For most of them it has to be very simple and work almost as a
> >> > "plug-'n-play." Even the boot-helper disk is a stretch, but I think it
> is
> >> > doable with some very clear step-by-step instructions. It needs to be
> easy,
> >> > and hopefully fun, with a high probability of success.
> >> >
> >> > Bert wrote:
> >> >
> >> > The iso file is a "CD image". ISO is short for "ISO 9660", a.k.a.
> "CDFS
> >> > (Compact Disc File System)". It is a file system designed for CDs,
> which is
> >> > read-only.
> >> >
> >> > So, I could save money and just use an image on a cd, but
> unfortunately
> >> > the live CD will not boot on a MacBook. It needs a boot helper cd to
> run the
> >> > usb stick version and there is only one optical drive on the machine.
> >> >
> >> > Probably about 50% of the teachers will have Macs.
> >> >
> >> > And, Tom suggested using Virtual Box:
> >> >
> >> > I really didn't want to use the Virtual Box again. I did that with an
> >> > early version of Strawberry.  I think the Virtual Box would be a deal
> >> > breaker for a lot of teachers, whereas a usb version with the boot
> helper cd
> >> > should be quite acceptable and easy to use. That is why I was hoping
> to get
> >> > a usb version that could be used on both PCs and Macs.
> >> >
> >> > After all the advice I got from you folks, I ordered a refurbished
> eeePC
> >> > 900 with Windows XP today.  It will arrive 

Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] "SoaS For Dummies?"

[Thomas C Gilliard]

Look at:

IAEP Digest, Vol 25 Issue 23 Message #1
Plus
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_XO-1#Installation_instructions
http://www.olpcnews.com/forum/index.php?topic=4768.0 ( part copied
below:)

Tom Gilliard
satellit


  
  
  

  


 
 April 15, 2010, 10:46:40 PM 

 

  

  
   HOWTO: Install
To install this awesome OS image, you will need to do several things.
  
Step One.
Get a developer key.
  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activation_and_developer_keys#Getting_a_developer_key_for_your_running_XO_laptop
  
Step Two.
Copy all important files to a USB stick or SD card.
  
Step Three.
  
On another computer, download two files onto a USB stick or SD card.
Place these files in the root directory of the card.
  http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/f11-xo1-py/os140py.img
  http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/f11-xo1-py/os140py.crc
  
Step Four.
  
Boot your XO. Hold down Escape while booting. This is the key on the
upper left of the keyboard.
  
Step 5.
  
You are now hopefully at an "OpenFirmware" prompt.
Type in "disable-security" and press Enter.
Let it do what it wants to do.
  
Step 6.
  
Move
the SD card or USB stick with the files you downloaded into the XO.
Reboot while holding down Escape, to get to another OpenFirmware prompt.
  
Step 7.
If the files were downloaded onto a USB stick:
type "probe-usb", press Enter, then type "copy-nand usb:\os140py.img"
and press Enter.
  
Step 8.
If the files were downloaded onto a SD card:
Type "copy-nand sd:\os140py.img" and press Enter.
  
Step 9.
Reboot.
  
Step 10.
  
  
Step 11.
  Profit! Whoops, OLPC won't let us profit. Oh well...
  
Step 12. Enjoy the new OS image!



Dave Bauer wrote:

  On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Gerald Ardito  wrote:
  
  
I am excited about trying this. I manage a deployment of 140 XO-1's in a
school in Westchester County, New York and have really wanted to upgrade our
software from the official build.
How do I "disable security?"


  
  
Check out this page:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activation_and_developer_keys#Getting_a_developer_key_for_your_running_XO_laptop

You need to open Browse, click "get developer key" from the OLPC home
page (if your build is new enough) or type file:///home/.devkey.html
in the address bar. Then there are further instructions to disable
security on that wiki page

You need a key for every XO so this might be time consuming.

Dave

  
  
Many thanks.
Gerald

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Thomas C Gilliard
 wrote:


  Caryl;

I just bought a G1G1 XO-1 on e-bay for testing.
* I requested and downloaded a developer key
* disabled security (very important!)
* installed f11-xo-1-py  (fedora 11 gnome and sugar)
http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/f11-xo1-py/os140py.img
http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/f11-xo1-py/os140py.crc

This is great software and expands the capabilities of the OLPC XO-1
that bernie has developed for the Paraguay deployment (english and
spanish)

In the Gnome desktop terminal program on the XO-1:
 su
 yum install liveusb-creator

liveusb-creator runs using 2 USB sticks:
1-) Target USB 2GB or larger
2-) USB with Blueberry/strawberry.iso's (downloaded on another PC)

 >DO NOT DOWNLOAD soas.iso's to the XO-1<
      It has too small a working solid state HD to do this.
This is very similar to running a 3 stick solution on a EeePC900

The XO-1 is much slower (50min for Blueberry soas) than the EeePC900;
but it makes Soas Live USB's fine.
(Plus they boot on the XO-1, just leave them inserted and do a shutdown
and restart.)
I just did this with the soas-2-blueberry.iso and it boots on the XO-1
plus on the EeePC900.
(A EeePC900 livecd-iso-to-disk script created live usb will not boot on
the XO-1)

This could be a nice way to demonstrate sugar and the OLPC XO-1
while it makes and runs Soas Live USB's


Tom Gilliard
satellit






Caryl Bigenho wrote:
  
  
Thanks Tom for the confirmation!  I suspected it might work like that,
but not being a PC person, I wasn't sure.

Sounds like a "piece of cake."

Caryl

Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:08:38 -0700
From: satel...@bendbroadband.com
To: cbige...@hotmail.com
CC: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org;
support-g...@laptop.org
Subject: Re: [SoaS] "SoaS For Dummies?"













Caryl Bigenho wrote:

  Hi Bert, Tom, and All,

In case you are all wondering why I want to make this so easy, remember
that while I am sort of a "closet techie" and could learn to do all these
fancy work-arounds, I also have many years experience working with  and
training other educators who are very shy about using computers.

For most of them it has to be very simple and work almost as a
"plug-'n-play." Even the boot-helper disk is a stretch, but I think it is
doable with some very clear step-by-step instructions. It needs to be easy,
and hopefully fun, with a high probability of success.

Bert wrote:

The iso file is a "CD image".