Re: [IAEP] [Testing] [support-gang] 12-Year-Old XOs (even 18-yesr-olds)
Hi... Tabitha was right! There is something funny happening with the date/time settings on the 10 XO-1s I am transferring to another project. Last night I reflashed all 10 of the machines to 11.2.0 (os874). This morning I met with the two teachers, who will be using the machines most, to orient them on the ins and outs of the XO and Sugar. We used 3 of the machines for the workshop. While working we found funny dates coming up so, following Tabitha's advice, I showed them how to go to Terminal and ask for the date. Two of us had dates in 1999. The other one was in 2028! These machines are XO-1s from a CP project that was stalled. They appear to be in new, or near-new, condition so I doubt they have a problem with the clock battery. (They boot just fine). So, how do we reset to the current time? In the "Fix Clock" section of the wiki there are instructions for resetting the date and time if you can "Boot Into Linux." Since Sugar can boot just fine, can we just go into Terminal and put in the same command? http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Fix_Clock#If_the_screen_turns_on_and_you_can_boot_into_Linux Will the change persist through future boots and software updates? If the fix is something else... what is it? Thanks! Caryl Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 19:30:48 +1200 From: tabi...@tabitha.net.nz To: support-g...@lists.laptop.org CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; test...@lists.laptop.org Subject: Re: [Testing] [support-gang] 12-Year-Old XOs (even 18-yesr-olds) On 29 August 2011 16:16, Caryl Bigenho wrote: Later, when I looked at the Journal entries on some of the machines, I found they were incredibly old like 12 years! (Image3). There was one that said "18 years ago" also, but I seem to have misplaced the image. Did you check what year the laptop thought it was? If prior to you making any changes the laptop time was set to very far in the past, and then while doing the updating the time got reset to the current time, or anytime 12 years later than when the journal entries were created, then you could get that time showing in the journal. To check the current time set on the laptop, open terminal and type date and press enter. Tabitha ___ Testing mailing list test...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/testing ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Testing] [support-gang] 12-Year-Old XOs (even 18-yesr-olds)
G'day Caryl, If the XO-1s were left unused for many months, the tiny internal battery that runs the clock may have discharged, and this would cause the time to reset or become corrupt. When redeploying laptops from old stock, setting the date and time is a common task. Yes, http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Fix_Clock#If_the_screen_turns_on_and_you_can_boot_into_Linux is a correct method, although I think you have to tell it the UTC time, not your local time. The normal shutdown after this is important, because that is when the system time is stored in the internal clock. Yes, if you choose not to use the virtual console root terminal (Ctrl+Alt+F1) and instead use the Terminal activity in Sugar, it will work, but you must first become root using either the root button on the Terminal toolbar, or type su then enter. The extra complexity of this may outweigh the complexity of just following the instructions above. If you have an open wireless access point with an easy to type network name, then OpenFirmware can set the clock using the internet, no need to type the time in: ok essid networkname ok ntp-set-clock pool.ntp.org ok .clock ... and no need to shutdown carefully. The change will persist through boots and software updates, including complete wipes. It won't persist through several months of non-use. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Testing] [support-gang] 12-Year-Old XOs (even 18-yesr-olds)
Thanks James, Tabitha, and all... I already sent the instructions using the Open Firmware instructions. I rewrote it so it is very easy to follow and suggested they may even want to have some of their middle school students help with this. I had originally figured that Terminal would be the way to go, but forgot about having to go to root to do it. No matter, they will still be using Terminal to check the date after changing, shutting down and restarting. So... the RTC battery probably went dead? Will charging the machines for several hours also recharge it? I had them on charge overnight the other day so maybe that took care of if. I will play with the Terminal method and see if I can simplify those instructions too. Is there a place on the wiki where I should post these "teacher-eze" versions of the instructions? Sort of a Grannie's guide to resetting the clock. Caryl > Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 07:31:03 +1000 > From: qu...@laptop.org > To: cbige...@hotmail.com > CC: tabi...@tabitha.net.nz; support-g...@lists.laptop.org; > iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; test...@lists.laptop.org > Subject: Re: [Testing] [support-gang] 12-Year-Old XOs (even 18-yesr-olds) > > G'day Caryl, > > If the XO-1s were left unused for many months, the tiny internal battery > that runs the clock may have discharged, and this would cause the time > to reset or become corrupt. When redeploying laptops from old stock, > setting the date and time is a common task. > > Yes, > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Fix_Clock#If_the_screen_turns_on_and_you_can_boot_into_Linux > is a correct method, although I think you have to tell it the UTC time, > not your local time. The normal shutdown after this is important, > because that is when the system time is stored in the internal clock. > > Yes, if you choose not to use the virtual console root terminal > (Ctrl+Alt+F1) and instead use the Terminal activity in Sugar, it will > work, but you must first become root using either the root button on the > Terminal toolbar, or type su then enter. The extra complexity of this > may outweigh the complexity of just following the instructions above. > > If you have an open wireless access point with an easy to type network > name, then OpenFirmware can set the clock using the internet, no need to > type the time in: > > ok essid networkname > ok ntp-set-clock pool.ntp.org > ok .clock > > ... and no need to shutdown carefully. > > The change will persist through boots and software updates, including > complete wipes. It won't persist through several months of non-use. > > -- > James Cameron > http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Testing] [support-gang] 12-Year-Old XOs (even 18-yesr-olds)
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 05:43:28PM -0700, Caryl Bigenho wrote: > So... the RTC battery probably went dead? Will charging the machines > for several hours also recharge it? I had them on charge overnight > the other day so maybe that took care of if. No. The charging only happens when the laptop is on, as far as I can tell from the circuit. It doesn't happen when the laptop is suspended. However, a small amount of charging will run the clock for quite a long time. I don't have a clue how much charging is required to charge the clock battery from a fully flat state. Perhaps Richard knows. > I will play with the Terminal method and see if I can simplify those > instructions too. Is there a place on the wiki where I should post these > "teacher-eze" versions of the instructions? Sort of a Grannie's guide to > resetting the clock. Good idea. I searched for ntp-set-clock using Google: site:wiki.laptop.org "ntp-set-clock" There was no other reference than the firmware version when it was added. So a place to post these instructions would be good. Setting the date and time within Sugar is reasonably well covered here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar_Control_Panel#Time .. but I recall that some builds don't even have ntpdate, and the instructions don't account for that. Older instructions can be found here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Test_Config_Notes#Fixing_XO_clock_data -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Testing] [support-gang] 12-Year-Old XOs (even 18-yesr-olds)
On Sep 1, 2011, at 12:55 AM, James Cameron wrote: > On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 05:43:28PM -0700, Caryl Bigenho wrote: >> So... the RTC battery probably went dead? Will charging the machines >> for several hours also recharge it? I had them on charge overnight >> the other day so maybe that took care of if. > > No. The charging only happens when the laptop is on, as far as I can > tell from the circuit. It doesn't happen when the laptop is suspended. On XO-1 and XO-1.75, the RTC battery is only charged when the laptop is actually turned on and not suspended. On XO-1.5, the RTC battery is charged even when the laptop is turned off. All laptops will preferentially power the RTC from the main battery or DC input, if present. > However, a small amount of charging will run the clock for quite a long > time. > > I don't have a clue how much charging is required to charge the clock > battery from a fully flat state. Perhaps Richard knows. We charge that battery very slowly to extend its life. Best estimates based on the manufacturer's data is that you should reach 80% of full charge after 20 hours of charging, and 95+% after 30 hours of charging. > I searched for ntp-set-clock using Google: > > site:wiki.laptop.org "ntp-set-clock" I learn some new function of OFW every week! It looks like that function requires the presence of an access point called "OLPCOFW" which provides DHCP and connectivity to an NTP server with name "time", "172.18.0.1", or one of the various NTP pool servers. Did I misrepresent it ? Cheers, wad ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Testing] [support-gang] 12-Year-Old XOs (even 18-yesr-olds)
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 02:03:45AM -0400, John Watlington wrote: > On Sep 1, 2011, at 12:55 AM, James Cameron wrote: > > I searched for ntp-set-clock using Google: > > > > site:wiki.laptop.org "ntp-set-clock" > > I learn some new function of OFW every week! > It looks like that function requires the presence of an access point > called "OLPCOFW" which provides DHCP and connectivity to an NTP server > with name "time", "172.18.0.1", or one of the various NTP pool > servers. Did I misrepresent it ? Only slightly. It works great with a supported USB to ethernet adaptor, or if you type the ESSID of your WiFi first: ok wifi thingamebob ok ntp-set-clock If no ESSID is given, the default is OLPCOFW. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Testing] [support-gang] 12-Year-Old XOs (even 18-yesr-olds)
Hi All... Translations for "the rest of us": DHCP: http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/D/DHCP.html OFW: http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/OFW (pick one out of 12!) NTP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Time_Protocol ESSID: http://www.cryer.co.uk/glossary/e/essid.htm RTC: Real Time Clock Caryl ;-D > Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 16:24:58 +1000 > From: qu...@laptop.org > To: w...@laptop.org > CC: cbige...@hotmail.com; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; test...@lists.laptop.org; > support-g...@lists.laptop.org > Subject: Re: [Testing] [support-gang] 12-Year-Old XOs (even 18-yesr-olds) > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 02:03:45AM -0400, John Watlington wrote: > > On Sep 1, 2011, at 12:55 AM, James Cameron wrote: > > > I searched for ntp-set-clock using Google: > > > > > > site:wiki.laptop.org "ntp-set-clock" > > > > I learn some new function of OFW every week! > > It looks like that function requires the presence of an access point > > called "OLPCOFW" which provides DHCP and connectivity to an NTP server > > with name "time", "172.18.0.1", or one of the various NTP pool > > servers. Did I misrepresent it ? > > Only slightly. It works great with a supported USB to ethernet adaptor, > or if you type the ESSID of your WiFi first: > > ok wifi thingamebob > ok ntp-set-clock > > If no ESSID is given, the default is OLPCOFW. > > -- > James Cameron > http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Testing] [support-gang] 12-Year-Old XOs (even 18-yesr-olds)
Hi Again, The OLPC wiki didn't come up on my google search for OFW. At least, not on the first page. Is there a glossary on our wiki that links to pages with definitions? If there isn't, there should be. A lot of folks don't know the jargon yet! Caryl Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:28:36 -1000 From: w...@laptop.org To: cbige...@hotmail.com CC: qu...@laptop.org; w...@laptop.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; test...@lists.laptop.org; support-g...@lists.laptop.org Subject: Re: [Testing] [support-gang] 12-Year-Old XOs (even 18-yesr-olds) On 9/13/2011 4:48 AM, Caryl Bigenho wrote: Hi All... Translations for "the rest of us": DHCP: http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/D/DHCP.html OFW: http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/OFW (pick one out of 12!) How about the OLPC wiki as a source? http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OFW NTP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Time_Protocol ESSID: http://www.cryer.co.uk/glossary/e/essid.htm RTC: Real Time Clock Caryl ;-D > Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 16:24:58 +1000 > From: qu...@laptop.org > To: w...@laptop.org > CC: cbige...@hotmail.com; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; test...@lists.laptop.org; support-g...@lists.laptop.org > Subject: Re: [Testing] [support-gang] 12-Year-Old XOs (even 18-yesr-olds) > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 02:03:45AM -0400, John Watlington wrote: > > On Sep 1, 2011, at 12:55 AM, James Cameron wrote: > > > I searched for ntp-set-clock using Google: > > > > > > site:wiki.laptop.org "ntp-set-clock" > > > > I learn some new function of OFW every week! > > It looks like that function requires the presence of an access point > > called "OLPCOFW" which provides DHCP and connectivity to an NTP server > > with name "time", "172.18.0.1", or one of the various NTP pool > > servers. Did I misrepresent it ? > > Only slightly. It works great with a supported USB to ethernet adaptor, > or if you type the ESSID of your WiFi first: > > ok wifi thingamebob > ok ntp-set-clock > > If no ESSID is given, the default is OLPCOFW. > > -- > James Cameron > http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Testing mailing list test...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/testing ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
