Re: [IAEP] Help Wanted: Keeper of the Hardware List
On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 12:09 -0400, Caroline Meeks wrote: > People are starting to use SoaS! which means they are starting to > report which wireless cards, video cards and computers its not working > on. > > We could really use someone to keep up a list of what we know works > and doesn't on which dates, and what tickets have been filed. Either > using a wiki or Google docs and the cool looking Forms feature. Aye! Let's use a wiki for this, I 've got 10-15 pieces of hardware I could test every now and then. It would be nice of a list what to test. Kind regards, Marten > Thanks! > Caroline > > -- > Caroline Meeks > Solution Grove > carol...@solutiongrove.com > > 617-500-3488 - Office > 505-213-3268 - Fax > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Help Wanted: Keeper of the Hardware List
Yep, the wiki would be great. Just need to set up a table -Original Message- From: iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Marten Vijn Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:58 AM To: Caroline Meeks Cc: IAEP SugarLabs Subject: Re: [IAEP] Help Wanted: Keeper of the Hardware List On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 12:09 -0400, Caroline Meeks wrote: > People are starting to use SoaS! which means they are starting to > report which wireless cards, video cards and computers its not working > on. > > We could really use someone to keep up a list of what we know works > and doesn't on which dates, and what tickets have been filed. Either > using a wiki or Google docs and the cool looking Forms feature. Aye! Let's use a wiki for this, I 've got 10-15 pieces of hardware I could test every now and then. It would be nice of a list what to test. Kind regards, Marten > Thanks! > Caroline > > -- > Caroline Meeks > Solution Grove > carol...@solutiongrove.com > > 617-500-3488 - Office > 505-213-3268 - Fax > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Help Wanted: Keeper of the Hardware List
We can also make use of Semantic Media Wiki to create forms that lead into a table. On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Kathy Pusztavari wrote: > Yep, the wiki would be great. Just need to set up a table > > -Original Message- > From: iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org > [mailto:iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Marten Vijn > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:58 AM > To: Caroline Meeks > Cc: IAEP SugarLabs > Subject: Re: [IAEP] Help Wanted: Keeper of the Hardware List > > On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 12:09 -0400, Caroline Meeks wrote: > > People are starting to use SoaS! which means they are starting to > > report which wireless cards, video cards and computers its not working > > on. > > > > We could really use someone to keep up a list of what we know works > > and doesn't on which dates, and what tickets have been filed. Either > > using a wiki or Google docs and the cool looking Forms feature. > > Aye! > Let's use a wiki for this, I 've got 10-15 pieces of hardware I could test > every now and then. > > It would be nice of a list what to test. > > Kind regards, > Marten > > > > Thanks! > > Caroline > > > > -- > > Caroline Meeks > > Solution Grove > > carol...@solutiongrove.com > > > > 617-500-3488 - Office > > 505-213-3268 - Fax > > ___ > > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > -- > http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn > http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick > http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit > http://har2009.org 13th-16th August > http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Help Wanted: Keeper of the Hardware List
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 02:51:21PM -0400, Luke Faraone wrote: We can also make use of Semantic Media Wiki to create forms that lead into a table. +1 for that as it's possible to do queries then (instead of manually scanning the table). CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Help Wanted: Keeper of the Hardware List
This is all sounding great to me. Could someone link the wiki page to the FAQ: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/FAQ People are sending me emails with hardware reports. Should I forward them to IAEP? Do we want a support-gang type mailing list? We can hope to put up instructions and get people to enter things themselves, but we should prepare for the reality that just sending an email maybe asking a lot for teachers. Some of them will have never used a wiki before so it could be too hard a first thing to ask of them. Thanks! Caroline On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Sascha Silbe < sascha-ml-ui-sugar-i...@silbe.org> wrote: > On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 02:51:21PM -0400, Luke Faraone wrote: > > We can also make use of Semantic Media Wiki to create forms that lead into >> a >> table. >> > +1 for that as it's possible to do queries then (instead of manually > scanning the table). > > CU Sascha > > -- > http://sascha.silbe.org/ > http://www.infra-silbe.de/ > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJJ5i+1AAoJELpz82VMF3DapeAH/02SEn5h2wDdBzRLQQaVOiBz > E+F4VwUdEZX4mKtmtlcZ+EvAlNlpJwdC/ufzB4u3N2dAwvqmIc50fIGhRRtaUhSQ > X7033rTwK1x3FGSIONobEb3BFjv86OQx0ZYTcx02MKfSG29fOJONk1ZISgPmmmxu > jNcXgqDBVRkPRNfcnH8sCgrYHTzh+PNHk3VtbRhlheQP0vKegeYr86F5n3mnIC5b > rU44yW4Npi6uKYH82BSfp7MOZbBksIPhzECbHPZmqc4igDRNdkT/uwU8E/LD1LWg > tBW6B0JybwNvdPIoG+OufJ0zvzDWMBmtSea68tcILfM49femlIkkeQYxSrIVy5s= > =ItRp > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Help Wanted: Keeper of the Hardware List
I think a simple table on the FAQ page is a fine place to start... -walter On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Caroline Meeks wrote: > This is all sounding great to me. > > Could someone link the wiki page to the FAQ: > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/FAQ > > People are sending me emails with hardware reports. Should I forward them > to IAEP? Do we want a support-gang type mailing list? We can hope to put up > instructions and get people to enter things themselves, but we should > prepare for the reality that just sending an email maybe asking a lot for > teachers. Some of them will have never used a wiki before so it could be > too hard a first thing to ask of them. > > Thanks! > Caroline > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Sascha Silbe > wrote: >> >> On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 02:51:21PM -0400, Luke Faraone wrote: >> >>> We can also make use of Semantic Media Wiki to create forms that lead >>> into a >>> table. >> >> +1 for that as it's possible to do queries then (instead of manually >> scanning the table). >> >> CU Sascha >> >> -- >> http://sascha.silbe.org/ >> http://www.infra-silbe.de/ >> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJJ5i+1AAoJELpz82VMF3DapeAH/02SEn5h2wDdBzRLQQaVOiBz >> E+F4VwUdEZX4mKtmtlcZ+EvAlNlpJwdC/ufzB4u3N2dAwvqmIc50fIGhRRtaUhSQ >> X7033rTwK1x3FGSIONobEb3BFjv86OQx0ZYTcx02MKfSG29fOJONk1ZISgPmmmxu >> jNcXgqDBVRkPRNfcnH8sCgrYHTzh+PNHk3VtbRhlheQP0vKegeYr86F5n3mnIC5b >> rU44yW4Npi6uKYH82BSfp7MOZbBksIPhzECbHPZmqc4igDRNdkT/uwU8E/LD1LWg >> tBW6B0JybwNvdPIoG+OufJ0zvzDWMBmtSea68tcILfM49femlIkkeQYxSrIVy5s= >> =ItRp >> -END PGP SIGNATURE- >> >> ___ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > > > -- > Caroline Meeks > Solution Grove > carol...@solutiongrove.com > > 617-500-3488 - Office > 505-213-3268 - Fax > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Help Wanted: Keeper of the Hardware List
In my opinion, the simpler the feedback, the wider the cross-section of users will be from a technically-adept point of view. By that I mean we will garner feedback (valuable I think) from non computer whizzes. I'm more worried about them. Simplicity of use is I think vital to SoaS success. I fear that many users will encounter difficulties 1) loading a USB stick, 2) setting BIOS to boot from it. As far as I know we don't have a method yet for testing if a newly loaded stick on a computer will be potentially bootable or not on another :-( Sean On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Caroline Meeks wrote: > This is all sounding great to me. > > Could someone link the wiki page to the FAQ: > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/FAQ > > People are sending me emails with hardware reports. Should I forward them > to IAEP? Do we want a support-gang type mailing list? We can hope to put up > instructions and get people to enter things themselves, but we should > prepare for the reality that just sending an email maybe asking a lot for > teachers. Some of them will have never used a wiki before so it could be > too hard a first thing to ask of them. > > Thanks! > Caroline > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Sascha Silbe > wrote: >> >> On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 02:51:21PM -0400, Luke Faraone wrote: >> >>> We can also make use of Semantic Media Wiki to create forms that lead >>> into a >>> table. >> >> +1 for that as it's possible to do queries then (instead of manually >> scanning the table). >> >> CU Sascha >> >> -- >> http://sascha.silbe.org/ >> http://www.infra-silbe.de/ >> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJJ5i+1AAoJELpz82VMF3DapeAH/02SEn5h2wDdBzRLQQaVOiBz >> E+F4VwUdEZX4mKtmtlcZ+EvAlNlpJwdC/ufzB4u3N2dAwvqmIc50fIGhRRtaUhSQ >> X7033rTwK1x3FGSIONobEb3BFjv86OQx0ZYTcx02MKfSG29fOJONk1ZISgPmmmxu >> jNcXgqDBVRkPRNfcnH8sCgrYHTzh+PNHk3VtbRhlheQP0vKegeYr86F5n3mnIC5b >> rU44yW4Npi6uKYH82BSfp7MOZbBksIPhzECbHPZmqc4igDRNdkT/uwU8E/LD1LWg >> tBW6B0JybwNvdPIoG+OufJ0zvzDWMBmtSea68tcILfM49femlIkkeQYxSrIVy5s= >> =ItRp >> -END PGP SIGNATURE- >> >> ___ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > > > -- > Caroline Meeks > Solution Grove > carol...@solutiongrove.com > > 617-500-3488 - Office > 505-213-3268 - Fax > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Help Wanted: Keeper of the Hardware List
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 06:08:45PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: > As far as I know we don't have a method yet for testing if a newly > loaded stick on a computer will be potentially bootable or not on > another :-( You've said this a few times, and I just want to point out one reason why we don't have it yet is that it's an intractable problem. It can't be done perfectly. It can't even be feasibly done by a large, dedicated organisation willing to pay lots of money to do this. That's why large organisations solve this problem by limiting the hardware they "support", and testing just on that (etc. etc. of course we all know this). Of course we can improve the situation by telling "upstream" what hardware doesn't work. I think that's what we're trying to do here. > Sean Martin pgpGFhPQ3T9xF.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Help Wanted: Keeper of the Hardware List
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Martin Dengler wrote: > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 06:08:45PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: >> As far as I know we don't have a method yet for testing if a newly >> loaded stick on a computer will be potentially bootable or not on >> another :-( > > You've said this a few times, and I just want to point out one reason > why we don't have it yet is that it's an intractable problem. It > can't be done perfectly. It can't even be feasibly done by a large, > dedicated organisation willing to pay lots of money to do this. > That's why large organisations solve this problem by limiting the > hardware they "support", and testing just on that (etc. etc. of course > we all know this). > > Of course we can improve the situation by telling "upstream" what > hardware doesn't work. I think that's what we're trying to do here. > And we can further improve the situation by inviting the community to be part of the vetting process... which is the subject of this thread :) -walter >> Sean > > Martin > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Help Wanted: Keeper of the Hardware List
thanks for that What I'm wondering is if it's possible to tell if a USB stick even has a boot sector. I spent many frustrating hours last month trying to create a bootable stick; none of them ever had the remotest chance of booting on anything as I later found out :-( Sean On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Martin Dengler wrote: > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 06:08:45PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: >> As far as I know we don't have a method yet for testing if a newly >> loaded stick on a computer will be potentially bootable or not on >> another :-( > > You've said this a few times, and I just want to point out one reason > why we don't have it yet is that it's an intractable problem. It > can't be done perfectly. It can't even be feasibly done by a large, > dedicated organisation willing to pay lots of money to do this. > That's why large organisations solve this problem by limiting the > hardware they "support", and testing just on that (etc. etc. of course > we all know this). > > Of course we can improve the situation by telling "upstream" what > hardware doesn't work. I think that's what we're trying to do here. > >> Sean > > Martin > ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Help Wanted: Keeper of the Hardware List
On Thu, 2009-04-16 at 18:08 +0200, Sean DALY wrote: > In my opinion, the simpler the feedback, the wider the cross-section > of users will be from a technically-adept point of view. By that I > mean we will garner feedback (valuable I think) from non computer > whizzes. I'm more worried about them. Simplicity of use is I think > vital to SoaS success. > > I fear that many users will encounter difficulties 1) loading a USB > stick, 2) setting BIOS to boot from it. > We should have/collect: - screen shots - movie's (youtube?) > As far as I know we don't have a method yet for testing if a newly > loaded stick on a computer will be potentially bootable or not on > another :-( I use qemu for that that is pretty reliable qemu /dev/ cheers, Marten > > Sean > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Caroline Meeks > wrote: > > This is all sounding great to me. > > > > Could someone link the wiki page to the FAQ: > > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/FAQ > > > > People are sending me emails with hardware reports. Should I forward them > > to IAEP? Do we want a support-gang type mailing list? We can hope to put up > > instructions and get people to enter things themselves, but we should > > prepare for the reality that just sending an email maybe asking a lot for > > teachers. Some of them will have never used a wiki before so it could be > > too hard a first thing to ask of them. > > > > Thanks! > > Caroline > > > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Sascha Silbe > > wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 02:51:21PM -0400, Luke Faraone wrote: > >> > >>> We can also make use of Semantic Media Wiki to create forms that lead > >>> into a > >>> table. > >> > >> +1 for that as it's possible to do queries then (instead of manually > >> scanning the table). > >> > >> CU Sascha > >> > >> -- > >> http://sascha.silbe.org/ > >> http://www.infra-silbe.de/ > >> > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > >> > >> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJJ5i+1AAoJELpz82VMF3DapeAH/02SEn5h2wDdBzRLQQaVOiBz > >> E+F4VwUdEZX4mKtmtlcZ+EvAlNlpJwdC/ufzB4u3N2dAwvqmIc50fIGhRRtaUhSQ > >> X7033rTwK1x3FGSIONobEb3BFjv86OQx0ZYTcx02MKfSG29fOJONk1ZISgPmmmxu > >> jNcXgqDBVRkPRNfcnH8sCgrYHTzh+PNHk3VtbRhlheQP0vKegeYr86F5n3mnIC5b > >> rU44yW4Npi6uKYH82BSfp7MOZbBksIPhzECbHPZmqc4igDRNdkT/uwU8E/LD1LWg > >> tBW6B0JybwNvdPIoG+OufJ0zvzDWMBmtSea68tcILfM49femlIkkeQYxSrIVy5s= > >> =ItRp > >> -END PGP SIGNATURE- > >> > >> ___ > >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > >> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > > > > > > > -- > > Caroline Meeks > > Solution Grove > > carol...@solutiongrove.com > > > > 617-500-3488 - Office > > 505-213-3268 - Fax > > > > ___ > > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
