Re: Wouldn't it be WIKI and SourceForge time?

[Farley, Peter x23353]

Peter,

We share more than a first name.  I agree with your point that "new blood"
thinking needs to happen for this environment to survive.

I also agree that cooperative development of freeware tools would be "A Good
Thing(TM)".  However, where is the freeware interface to the build process
on the mainframe?  Whose mainframe can the build be performed on?  Can it be
customized by user to build on their own private mainframe?  Eclipse (which
I gather in its non-IBM-enhanced form is open source and free) may interface
to z/OS Unix Services without charge, but can it submit a batch compile and
return all of the results to the workstation and/or to an off-z/OS
repository?  Can build versions that were built on different
versions/releases of the mainframe OS be tracked and stored separately?
There are a lot of questions like that which need answers before any
adoption can or will happen.

Just having a cooperative writing and modification and documentation and
bug-tracking environment doesn't help if you cannot build and install.

Some of the interfaces that have been suggested are large-$ software on the
z/OS side.  I have seen quotes of USD$5K per seat for WSED or it's
successor.   Many shops, large and small, just can not justify that kind of
cost.  Until there are low or no-cost options, non-"legacy" development of
"legacy" code can not happen cooperatively.

The BUILD options are crucial to adoption.  Until/unless they exist, the
rest is just spinning your proverbial wheels.  It is probably more than
double the work, because if you adopt the development environment, you then
have to manually transport it to z/OS (or z/VM) for build, and manually
transport the results back.  That is just not cost-effective or
productivity-enhancing.

Maybe the first cooperative development should be a consistent build
capability, followed immediately by highly customizable independent
change-control interfaces that do not depend on high-cost software on the
mainframe.

WRT WIKI, I can see it might be an alternative way to store and organize
discussions and knowledge sets.  I will withhold judgment until I know more.

Lastly, I agree with you that more community is better.  How to get there is
the hard part.  Some dinos will need to be dragged there kicking and
screaming, and staked down with ropes and chains to boot.  Some of us may
just wander over for a look-see, WHEN the right tools are available.

Regards,

Peter

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Re: Server Time Protocol (Was: Re: SMPE 3.4)

[Giovanni Cerquone]

>One enhancement with which a lot of people should be quite pleased is
>the preview of Server Time Protocol, mentioned in the z/OS V1.7
>announcement. Finally, IBM mainframes will automatically synchronize
>with one another and with dial-up/Internet time reference sites (e.g.,
>NIST), adjust for daylight time, etc. No more expensive Sysplex Timers!
>
>I had hoped it would be more than a preview by now. But at least the cat
>is out of the bag on this much needed functionality!
>

Me too, Edward but

This means the end of the Sysplex Timers but does not mean the removal of
the restriction in the distance between the CPC's, although now it will be
increased to 100 KM.

What are the shops doing know when this limit is reached?. Are they
trapped in this restriction?.

How we can keep a Parallel Sysplex separated by distances greater to 100
KM (to use the new limit) without implementing GDPS?. AFAIK, GDPS
automates the take over but you still will experiment outages.

Does anybody know why this new limit?. It it something internal to System
Z9?

TIA

Giovanni

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Re: Anyone know whether VM/370 EDGAR is still available anywhere?

[Ted MacNEIL]

>Wasn't HPO an add-on to VM/SP, not to VMF/370? If so, Edgar was well
and truly obsolete long before HPO came out
...

High Performance Option was an SP add-on.
Which came out just before VM/XA (SF).
Which really didn't perform for a long time.

We ran the various XA versions of VM before we found one that ran 'well'.

-teD

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Re: Wouldn't it be WIKI and SourceForge time?

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 08/12/2005
   at 01:51 AM, Peter Pfaffner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>So what's the point? Let us do real community development

The CBT tape *is* real community development, and a lot of the stuff
on it has multiple authors. Again, the Devil is in the details; as
long as a more "modern" platform can't be shown to have advantages for
the developers, there's no reason to switch to it.
 
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Re: Wouldn't it be WIKI and SourceForge time?

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 08/12/2005
   at 08:00 PM, Ian Metcalfe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>Of course, there is the issue of WHERE to develop (legally) is an
>impediment.

That's a no-brainer; the companies interested in an open source
project develop on their own machines.

Now, if you want people contributing code independently of their
employers, then you'll have to wait for IBM to offer hobbyist licenses
for z/OS and z/VM; that's not something that we can do anything about.
If that's your concern, then you'll need to make a business case to
IBM rather than to this list.
 
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Re: Anyone know whether VM/370 EDGAR is still available anywhere?

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 08/12/2005
   at 04:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>I am fairly sure that is not correct.  It may have required HPO (High
>Performance Option) which was available on (ISTR) VM/370 r4 or 5 and
>6.

Wasn't HPO an add-on to VM/SP, not to VMF/370? If so, Edgar was well
and truly obsolete long before HPO came out.
 
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Re: Does anyone have an archive of DBC???? (XDC's predecessor)

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 08/12/2005
   at 05:40 PM, David Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>Recently, I've agreed to make DBC available, without charge, to the 
>Hercules MVS/SP project.

Thanks!
 
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Re: SMPE - SYSMOD - APAR Qustion.

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on
08/12/2005
   at 08:42 AM, Howard Rifkind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>I saw the following in sysmod UQ73188 which stated that it was in
>hold status for reason ACTION.

If the only action required was to install a fix for OW57275, then the
PTF was not (surprise) properly packaged; it should have had an error
hold or ifreq instead.

Before you proceed, list your target zone and check the FMID levels of
the relevant components so you know which service to order.


In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on
08/12/2005
   at 11:59 AM, Howard Rifkind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>GIM37903E ** APPLY PROCESSING FAILED FOR SYSMOD UA17718 BECAUSE IT
>HAS NO APPLICABLE ++VER MCS.

Presumably HOS1110 doesn't exist on your target zone or has been
superceded. Check for HOS and JOS, then order the proper PTF
in place of UA17718.
 
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Re: Anyone know whether VM/370 EDGAR is still available anywhere?

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
on 08/12/2005
   at 03:08 PM, "Farley, Peter x23353" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>For VM/370 R6 under Hercules, where we have no XEDIT nor any other
>fullscreen editor available.

Are you sure? I vaguely recall having a primitive fullscreen editor in
VMF/370, which I lost interest in once we converted to VM/SE.
 
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Re: Acquiring TSO Userid in Logon Proc

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
on 08/12/2005
   at 09:49 AM, Earnie Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>Is there a way to pick up the TSO userid [&sysuid] during logon and
>utilize it in the specific TSO logon proc being used?

You can use any static system symbol in your TSO proc, including
&SYSUID.

If you actually want to allocate a data set during initial command
processing *after* logon, both CLIST and REXX provide for access to
static system symbols.
 
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Re: Anyone know whether VM/370 EDGAR is still available anywhere?

[Farley, Peter x23353]

Pardon my ignorance, but is "Display Editing System for CMS" the "official"
title for EDGAR?  If so, IUP is a good status.  IIRC, IUP's were not
copyrighted or licensed, though they were sometimes chargable.  Or at least,
that was true for some IUP's.

ISTR the software hierarchy used to be IUP, FDP (Field Developed Program),
PO (Program Offering) and PP (Program Product).  All but PP were
source-included software.

Would you be sure to hold on to that reference card (and any other doc you
may have on it)?  Or if you're willing to part with it, please write to me
offline.

Many thanks.

Peter

> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Re: Anyone know whether VM/370 EDGAR is still available anywhere?
> 
> Well, the Quick Reference Guide I have, GX20-2340-0 says that the Display
> Editing System for CMS (5796-PJP) is an Insstalled User Program (IUP).
> 
> Unfortunately, the card is undated.

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Re: Anyone know whether VM/370 EDGAR is still available anywhere?

[Farley, Peter x23353]

Thanks for that, Rich.  If I ever find a copy, I guess that will settle the
question.

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> Subject: Re: Anyone know whether VM/370 EDGAR is still available anywhere?
> 
> In article
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you
> write:
> >For VM/370 R6 under Hercules, where we have no XEDIT nor any other
> >fullscreen editor available.  However, I have been informed privately
> that
> >EDGAR also required DIAG 58, which is also not present in VM/370 R6.
> 
> I am fairly sure that is not correct.  It may have required HPO (High
> Performance Option) which was available on (ISTR) VM/370 r4 or 5 and 6.
> 
> >Are you sure it was a Program Product?  I was also told that it was an
> FDP,
> >not a PP.
> 
> Quite possible.  I no longer recall the difference.

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Re: PTF/FMID corellation

[Greg Saccomanno]

Steve,
Another good place to get a list of the FMID's installed on your system
with a description is the Migration Assistant using the SMP/E panels.  I
don't think you even have to download the Software Information Base
anymore but I could be wrong.  Either way more information and the
Software Information Base download can be found at:
http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/zos/smpe/pma/

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Re: Does anyone have an archive of DBC???? (XDC's predecessor)

[Jay Maynard]

On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 05:40:14PM -0400, David Cole wrote:
> Recently, I've agreed to make DBC available, without charge, to the 
> Hercules MVS/SP project. "DBC" is the predecessor program XDC, and it 
> will run only on MVS/SP and older systems. (It won't run on MVS/XA or 
> anything newer.)

Thanks!

> So does anyone out there have an old archived copy of a distribution 
> of DBC v6.1? If so, would you be willing to send me a copy?

If anyone only has it on round tape, I can deal with that for Dave. Drop me
a note offline.

Thanks again, Dave!

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Does anyone have an archive of DBC???? (XDC's predecessor)

[David Cole]

Hi,

Recently, I've agreed to make DBC available, without charge, to the 
Hercules MVS/SP project. "DBC" is the predecessor program XDC, and it 
will run only on MVS/SP and older systems. (It won't run on MVS/XA or 
anything newer.)


Unfortunately, I have been unable to find my primary archive tape for DBC.

I have been able to find load modules for DBC release v6.0; however, 
that release was written just prior to our development of the Cross 
Domain Facility ("CDF"), our batch debugging support.


CDF was first introduced with DBC release v6.1, and that's the level 
of DBC that I'd really like to give to the Hercules people, IF I can find it...


So does anyone out there have an old archived copy of a distribution 
of DBC v6.1? If so, would you be willing to send me a copy?


THANKS!
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Re: PTF/FMID corellation

[Steve Comstock]

Jan Vanbrabant wrote:

Steve,

Have a look at
IBM z/OS Consolidated Service Test: FMIDs Installed in the CST ...
http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/zos/servicetst/fmids.html
It gives you at least the FMIDs of the most important functions in a z/OS
shop.
And it's free, you don't need to be entitled
;)

In the APARs you have the RETAIN (!) release number(s) and the corresponding
PTF
number for that release of the apar.  And like somebody already mentioned,
the RETAIN  release of a PTF corresponds to the last 3 digits of the FMID.
Yeah, I know, you don't have the first 4 characters of the FMID. But start
your own archive of FMIDs, these are quite stable, it's the last 3
characters which change (with each release).

The PSP bucket would be a great help too, but it needs entitlement!

Look at the "PREreq". at the end in the cover letter of a PTF,
indicating the FMID to what that PTF is applicable.   Don't know
unfortunately if looking at a PTF cover letter needs you to be entitled.


You might also try entering the fmid in:
https://techsupport.services.ibm.com/server/zseries.srchBroker
Can't tell you if it may help, I never tried it myself, while I use CST /
PCR  / PSP.


And why not try 'googling' with the fmid?   You may have hits.


Maybe  somebody else on the list knows where Program Directories are
online??? They contain the fmids of a product too.

Jan


Jan,

Thanks, the link is a helpful reference.

Kind regards,

-Steve Comstock

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Re: VSAM COURSE

[Ed Gould]

On Aug 12, 2005, at 3:32 PM, Steve Comstock wrote:


SNIP---



Well, we don't do "Web Materials"; we're stritcly stand up comedy
(sorry, I mean instructor led training). We have a VSAM course
that is just VSAM / AMS and we have a VSAM course that includes
that and COBOL programming and another with PL/I programming
(Assembler programming course can be written on request).

SNIP---



Yes sir they are good at dodging the pies:-)

Ed

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Re: VSAM COURSE

[Steve Comstock]

Eduardo Toledo wrote:

Hi guys,

We are starting to train with mainframe some new guys in our store, 
young guys and recently graduated from school. We would like to train 
then in their basics studies, preferentially with self-study.
We got lots of materials, especially at some websites, but very few 
about AMS VSAM, its fundamentals, basic and advanced.
Do you, happen to have some material, that could help me assemble a 
training course, or even a website that I could find plenty of material 
to do so? Not only some examples, or tips, but something that would 
looks like as training. Also it doesn’t have to be something like the 
VSAM Demystified either.


Tks a lot in advanced

Eduardo Toledo
System consultant
CEF-SP


Well, we don't do "Web Materials"; we're stritcly stand up comedy
(sorry, I mean instructor led training). We have a VSAM course
that is just VSAM / AMS and we have a VSAM course that includes
that and COBOL programming and another with PL/I programming
(Assembler programming course can be written on request).

Links:

VSAM / AMS: 
http://www.trainersfriend.com/DB2_and_VSAM_courses/G010descrpt.htm


VSAM w/ COBOL:
http://www.trainersfriend.com/COBOL_Courses/D540descrpt.htm

VSAM w/ PL/I:
http://www.trainersfriend.com/PL_I_courses/E540descrpt.htm

Kind regards,

-Steve Comstock
The Trainer's Friend, Inc.

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Re: PTF/FMID corellation

[Jan Vanbrabant]

Steve,

Have a look at
IBM z/OS Consolidated Service Test: FMIDs Installed in the CST ...
http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/zos/servicetst/fmids.html
It gives you at least the FMIDs of the most important functions in a z/OS
shop.
And it's free, you don't need to be entitled
;)

In the APARs you have the RETAIN (!) release number(s) and the corresponding
PTF
number for that release of the apar.  And like somebody already mentioned,
the RETAIN  release of a PTF corresponds to the last 3 digits of the FMID.
Yeah, I know, you don't have the first 4 characters of the FMID. But start
your own archive of FMIDs, these are quite stable, it's the last 3
characters which change (with each release).

The PSP bucket would be a great help too, but it needs entitlement!

Look at the "PREreq". at the end in the cover letter of a PTF,
indicating the FMID to what that PTF is applicable.   Don't know
unfortunately if looking at a PTF cover letter needs you to be entitled.


You might also try entering the fmid in:
https://techsupport.services.ibm.com/server/zseries.srchBroker
Can't tell you if it may help, I never tried it myself, while I use CST /
PCR  / PSP.


And why not try 'googling' with the fmid?   You may have hits.


Maybe  somebody else on the list knows where Program Directories are
online??? They contain the fmids of a product too.

Jan

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Re: Anyone know whether VM/370 EDGAR is still available anywhere?

[richgr]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write:
>For VM/370 R6 under Hercules, where we have no XEDIT nor any other
>fullscreen editor available.  However, I have been informed privately that
>EDGAR also required DIAG 58, which is also not present in VM/370 R6.

I am fairly sure that is not correct.  It may have required HPO (High
Performance Option) which was available on (ISTR) VM/370 r4 or 5 and 6.

>Are you sure it was a Program Product?  I was also told that it was an FDP,
>not a PP.

Quite possible.  I no longer recall the difference.

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Re: Anyone know whether VM/370 EDGAR is still available anywhere?

[Jim Phoenix]

Well, the Quick Reference Guide I have, GX20-2340-0 says that the Display 
Editing System for CMS (5796-PJP) is an Insstalled User Program (IUP).


Unfortunately, the card is undated.

Farley, Peter x23353 wrote:

For VM/370 R6 under Hercules, where we have no XEDIT nor any other
fullscreen editor available.  However, I have been informed privately that
EDGAR also required DIAG 58, which is also not present in VM/370 R6.
<*Sigh*>

Are you sure it was a Program Product?  I was also told that it was an FDP,
not a PP.

Peter



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Re: SMPE - SYSMOD - APAR Qustion.

[Jon Brock]

I am enjoying this thread; it is nice to see I'm not the only one who 
doesn't know how all the PQs, UQs, FMIDs, etc. fit together.  I like SMPE, but 
I don't know of any single place where all the whys and wherefores of this 
stuff are explained.  Maybe it exists, but I haven't seen it.  (That said, I do 
remember a post a good while back where someone on the list tried to make it 
all comprehensible, but I can't find it in the archives.)

Jon



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There is now a whole bunch of trouble trying to install a new FMID into the 
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Re: Wouldn't it be WIKI and SourceForge time?

[Rob Wunderlich]

On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:58:54 -0300, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)  wrote:

>>Several responses in this thread mentioned that the "PC world" can't
>>run or isn't an audience for the contents of the CBT tape. I don't
>>understand that comment, as the CBT tape is already publicly
>>available on the web.
>
>How many of those PC users are running Hercules, want to or even know
>what it is?

Sorry, my point wasn't clear. What I meant was that the target audience
for MVS materials is the MVS platform. Changing the web distribution site
does not make these materials any more or less available/interesting to
non-MVS types.

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Re: SMPE Message GIM37903E

[Ed Finnell]

 
In a message dated 8/12/2005 2:00:39 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I need  some help in resolving the message below.  Here is the SMPE commands  
submitted and the results.  I'm try do resolve a number of sysmods for  FMID 
HOS1110.



>>
I think it just needs a period before the last /*. This should be
picked up by service eventually. Might do a XREF against it
with SIS to see if anybody else has hit the  bump.

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PTFs applied, solves problem, thanks

[Steve Comstock]

Well, it took a lot of work and a lot of help from
a lot of people, but I finally got the LE / PL/I / HFS
problem fixed.

How you guys do this SMP/E stuff day in and day out
is amazing to me. Of course, maybe because you do it
day in and day out it is more natural. But I found
it a horror to work with. No application programmers
have any idea of what goes on behind the scenes to
let them develop their applications.

So thanks again to everyone on this list (and off)
who helped me get the job done. Now I can get back
to my work.

Kind regards,

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Re: Anyone know whether VM/370 EDGAR is still available anywhere?

[Farley, Peter x23353]

For VM/370 R6 under Hercules, where we have no XEDIT nor any other
fullscreen editor available.  However, I have been informed privately that
EDGAR also required DIAG 58, which is also not present in VM/370 R6.
<*Sigh*>

Are you sure it was a Program Product?  I was also told that it was an FDP,
not a PP.

Peter

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> Just curious, but why do you need/want EDGAR?  It was an IBM program
> product.
> 
> With some work in PROFILE XEDIT, Xedit can be made to look much like
> EDGAR.

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Re: Anyone know whether VM/370 EDGAR is still available anywhere?

[Farley, Peter x23353]

Yes, I saw that, but it doesn't seem to actually say where.  Unless the
Yahoo feed is slow and I haven't seen the one you saw yet.  I'll keep an eye
out.

Thanks for the heads-up.

Peter

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Re: I need Coupling Facility Structure information.

[Scott Fagen]

On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:00:44 -0500, Jay Paulson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I have a need to gather information about coupling facility structures
>into a dataset via a batch process.
>
>Essentially I need the information similar to the output from the "D
>XCF,STR,STRNAME=ALL" command.
>

Rather than using SDSF, you could use REXX on TSO to do this.  Here's a
REXX that I use (in the foreground) that could be easily modified to do
what you want to do in the background:

/* REXX */
/**/
/* Issue an MVS system command and display the response   */
/**/
parse arg commands
address 'TSO'
   'CONSPROF SOLDISP(NO) UNSOLDISP(NO)'
   'CONSOLE ACTIVATE'
line.0 = 0
do while commands ^= ''
   parse var commands command'\'commands
   address 'CONSOLE'
  command
   if line.0 > 0 then do
  line.0 = line.0 + 1
  interpret 'line.'line.0'= '' '''
   end
   line.0 = line.0 + 1
   interpret 'line.'line.0' = command'
   do until msg_rc ^= 0
  msg_rc=getmsg('msg.'3)
  if msg_rc = 0 then
  do i = 1 to msg.0
 line.0 = line.0 + 1
 interpret 'line.'line.0' = msg.i'
  end
   end
end
address 'TSO'
   'ALLOC FI(CMDRESP) NEW REUSE CYL SPACE(1,1) LRECL(132) UNIT(SYSDA) ',
   'BLKSIZE(13200) RECFM(F,B)'
do i = 1 to line.0
   queue line.i
end
   'EXECIO' line.0 'DISKW CMDRESP (FINI'
tf = time(s)
address 'ISPEXEC'
   'LMINIT DATAID(DID) DDNAME(CMDRESP)'
   'BROWSE DATAID('did') PANEL(SYSPANEL)'
   'LMFREE DATAID('did')'
address 'TSO'
   'CONSOLE DEACTIVATE'
exit

Obviously, you'd want to remove the ISPF stuff that displays the output
under ISPF BROWSE and you'd want to change the allocation to ensure that
the dataset survived the completion of the REXX/batch job.

(Neither I nor my employer make any warranties about this program and I'm
not particularly interested in any suggestions or improvements, it does
what I need it to do. :-)

Scott Fagen
z/OS Core Technology Design
IBM Poughkeepsie

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Re: SMPE - SYSMOD - APAR Qustion.

[Howard Rifkind]

John, Ed and all, thanks.
 
The problems I'm having here is that the person who installed z/OS 1.4 NEVER 
picked up ANY service.
 
There is now a whole bunch of trouble trying to install a new FMID into the 
system because all this service is missing.
 
Thanks for everyones continuing help.

"Chase, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Howard Rifkind
> 
> I saw the following in sysmod UQ73188 which stated that it 
> was in hold status for reason ACTION.
> 
> It had the following:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> * TIMING : Pre-APPLY *
> 
> 
> 
> UNIX System Services for z/OS APAR OW57275 needs to be applied
> 
> before applying PQ69260.
> 
> 
> 
> Can anyone help explain what the OW's and PQ's mean. I 
> searched these down on IBM Link and they pointed to sysmods 
> like UQ's and UA's

The OW and PQ are APAR prefixes; the UQ and UA are PTF prefixes. The
numeric portions need not (and usually do not) match.

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Re: SMPE Message GIM37903E

[Mendelson, Eric]

You are trying to install ZOS ported tools . It needs ZOS 1.4 or later

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Subject: SMPE Message GIM37903E

I need some help in resolving the message below.  Here is the SMPE
commands submitted and the results.  I'm try do resolve a number of
sysmods for FMID HOS1110.
 
Thanks.
 
COMMAND INPUT ===>,  ,SCROLL
===>,CSR ,
  APPLY
 BYPASS   (
   HOLDSYSTEM
  )
 JCLINREPORT
 FORFMID(
 HOS1110
)
 CHECK
 GROUPEXTEND
 SELECT   (
   UA17718
  )
 RETRY(YES)
.
GIM37903E ** APPLY PROCESSING FAILED FOR SYSMOD UA17718 BECAUSE IT HAS
NO APPLICABLE ++VER MCS.
 
***FROM LISTING OF THE SMPPTS THORUGH ISPF***
++ PTF (UA17718)/*
//UA17718  JOB 5655-17718,M2301,MSGLEVEL=(1,1),CLASS=A */  .
++ VER (Z038)
   FMID(HOS1110)
   SUP  (UA16639,UA15554,UA12617,AA10315,AA10062,AA08602,
 AA07952)
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Re: Anyone know whether VM/370 EDGAR is still available anywhere?

[Ray Mullins]

Somebody just posted on H390-VM about where it is.

Ray 

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Subject: Re: Anyone know whether VM/370 EDGAR is still available anywhere?

Thanks, I'll check the archives there.

Peter

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Re: Anyone know whether VM/370 EDGAR is still available anywhere?

[richgr]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write:
>Hi all,
>
>I encountered a reference to the EDGAR editor today, which (it was said)
>would run under VM/370 R6.
>
>Does anyone know of a source for EDGAR?  Or is it lost in the mists of time?

Just curious, but why do you need/want EDGAR?  It was an IBM program
product.

With some work in PROFILE XEDIT, Xedit can be made to look much like
EDGAR.

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SMPE Message GIM37903E

[Howard Rifkind]

I need some help in resolving the message below.  Here is the SMPE commands 
submitted and the results.  I'm try do resolve a number of sysmods for FMID 
HOS1110.
 
Thanks.
 
COMMAND INPUT ===>,  ,SCROLL ===>,CSR ,
  APPLY
 BYPASS   (
   HOLDSYSTEM
  )
 JCLINREPORT
 FORFMID(
 HOS1110
)
 CHECK
 GROUPEXTEND
 SELECT   (
   UA17718
  )
 RETRY(YES)
.
GIM37903E ** APPLY PROCESSING FAILED FOR SYSMOD UA17718 BECAUSE IT HAS NO 
APPLICABLE ++VER MCS.
 
***FROM LISTING OF THE SMPPTS THORUGH ISPF***
++ PTF (UA17718)/*
//UA17718  JOB 5655-17718,M2301,MSGLEVEL=(1,1),CLASS=A */  .
++ VER (Z038)
   FMID(HOS1110)
   SUP  (UA16639,UA15554,UA12617,AA10315,AA10062,AA08602,
 AA07952)
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Re: Acquiring TSO Userid in Logon Proc

[Barry Schwarz]

The common approach I've seen is to have the proc specify an "init" CLIST and 
do the allocation in the CLIST.  If you manipulations don't affect the SYSPROC 
and SYSEXEC allocations, it could be a REXX.

Earnie Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Is there a way to pick up the TSO userid [&sysuid] during logon and utilize
it in the specific TSO logon proc being used?

I would like to use it as part of a DSN which I would like to be able to
create during logon and go away at logoff --- a monitoring-type dataset.


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Re: Anyone know whether VM/370 EDGAR is still available anywhere?

[Farley, Peter x23353]

Thanks, I'll check the archives there.

Peter

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> You might try asking on VMESA-L.
> 
> An archive search showed a couple of comments back in 1997, in reference
> to a SHARE session in San Francisco.
> 
> Later,
> Ray

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Re: Anyone know whether VM/370 EDGAR is still available anywhere?

[Ray Mullins]

You might try asking on VMESA-L.

An archive search showed a couple of comments back in 1997, in reference to
a SHARE session in San Francisco.

Later,
Ray

 list On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:06:06 -0400, Farley, Peter x23353
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>I encountered a reference to the EDGAR editor today, which (it was said)
>would run under VM/370 R6.
>
>Does anyone know of a source for EDGAR?  Or is it lost in the mists of time?
>
>TIA for your help.
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Anyone know whether VM/370 EDGAR is still available anywhere?

[Farley, Peter x23353]

Hi all,

I encountered a reference to the EDGAR editor today, which (it was said)
would run under VM/370 R6.

Does anyone know of a source for EDGAR?  Or is it lost in the mists of time?

TIA for your help.

Peter

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Re: SMPE - SYSMOD - APAR Qustion.

[Ed Finnell]

 
In a message dated 8/12/2005 11:12:09 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

The OW  and PQ are APAR prefixes; the UQ and UA are PTF prefixes.  The
numeric  portions need not (and usually do not) match.



>>
The normal packaging would have a DEP(endency) HOLD for PTFs. Guess
the process is to search on the APAR in SIS to determine how
dreadful it's going to be. You've probably got the PTF in your
acCUMulated service. Then pick the appropriate PTF and APPLY
it with GROUPEXTEND. Follow any post-APPLY considerations and
go back and pick up the Maint with
BYPASS(HOLDSYS(DOC,DEP,ACTION)).  

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Re: TSO Exits

[Ray Mullins]

Rick, 

Would you mind sending it to Sam Golob for inclusion in the CBT?

Later,
Ray 

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Re: Acquiring TSO Userid in Logon Proc

[Scott Barry]

Does the USERID need only appear somewhere in the DSN?  If so, how about
adding a "dummy" DD allocation in the TSO LOGON PROC (or in the TSO LOGON
CLIST/EXEC) with a DSN=&&BLAHBLAH (temporary DSN - NEW,DELETE default) which
will yield a dataset creation of:

SYSyyddd.Thhmmss.RA000.userid.BLAHBLAH.H03


Here's the DD I used:

//DD0  DD   UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(TRK,0),DSN=&&BLAHBLAH 


So, the USERID is in the 4th DSNODE - always guaranteed.

Sincerely,

Scott Barry
SBBWorks, Inc.

On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:49:49 -0400, Earnie Allen
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>Is there a way to pick up the TSO userid [&sysuid] during logon and utilize
>it in the specific TSO logon proc being used?
>
>I would like to use it as part of a DSN which I would like to be able to
>create during logon and go away at logoff --- a monitoring-type dataset.
>
>Thanks!
>
>
>Earnie Allen
>Senior Systems Programmer
>MVS Systems Software
>WORLDSPAN, LP
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Re: SMPE - SYSMOD - APAR Qustion.

[Chase, John]

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Howard Rifkind
> 
> I saw the following in sysmod UQ73188 which stated that it 
> was in hold status for reason ACTION.
>  
> It had the following:
>  
> 
> 
> 
> * TIMING : Pre-APPLY *
> 
> 
> 
> UNIX System Services for z/OS APAR OW57275 needs to be applied
> 
> before applying PQ69260.
> 
>  
> 
> Can anyone help explain what the OW's and PQ's mean.  I 
> searched these down on IBM Link and they pointed to sysmods 
> like UQ's and UA's

The OW and PQ are APAR prefixes; the UQ and UA are PTF prefixes.  The
numeric portions need not (and usually do not) match.

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SMPE - SYSMOD - APAR Qustion.

[Howard Rifkind]

I saw the following in sysmod UQ73188 which stated that it was in hold status 
for reason ACTION.
 
It had the following:
 



* TIMING : Pre-APPLY *



UNIX System Services for z/OS APAR OW57275 needs to be applied

before applying PQ69260.

 

Can anyone help explain what the OW's and PQ's mean.  I searched these down on 
IBM Link and they pointed to sysmods like UQ's and UA's

Thanks.

 


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Re: Acquiring TSO Userid in Logon Proc

[Earnie Allen]

We pull similar information during the Logon in our logon EXEC . but
the PROC portion gets picked up separate from the EXEC.



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>Is there a way to pick up the TSO userid [&sysuid] during logon and
utilize
>it in the specific TSO logon proc being used?
>
>

Depends on what you mean by "during logon". If the PSCB has already been
created, you can get it from there.

PSATOLD -> TCBJSCB -> JSCBPSCB (User ID in PSCBUSER at offset zero.)

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I need Coupling Facility Structure information.

[Jay Paulson]

I have a need to gather information about coupling facility structures
into a dataset via a batch process.

Essentially I need the information similar to the output from the "D
XCF,STR,STRNAME=ALL" command.

I had used the following job as a quick and dirty way of capturing the
output from commands in the past.
The job will work for short running commands such /D CF
However, I am never able to get the output from /D XCF,STR,STRNAME=ALL 
I see the command but never the response. I suspect that it is timing
out or something.


//STEP1EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01
//SYSTSPRT DD SYSOUT=*  
//ISFOUT   DD SYSOUT=*  
//PRINTDD  DD DSN=.x.x,  
//   DISP=(NEW,CATLG,DELETE),   
//   UNIT=DISK,DCB=(LRECL=133,BLKSIZE=0,RECFM=FB),  
//   SPACE=(CYL,(20,4),RLSE)
//ISFINDD * 
 ULOG
 /D XCF,STR,STRNAME=ALL

 /D CF  
 PT FILE PRINTDD
 PRINT  
 PRINT CLOSE
//SYSTSIN  DD * 
 EXECUTIL SEARCHDD(YES) 
 SDSF   
/*  

Does anyone know a way that I could get this information via a batch
job?


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Re: Acquiring TSO Userid in Logon Proc

[Earnie Allen]

RE: your suggetion

You can specify something like:

//$TSOSM  EXEC PGM=ADFMDF03,DYNAMNBR=200  (or PGM=IKJEFT01)
//ISPPROF   DD DISP=SHR,DSN=&SYSUID..&SYSNAME..ISPF.ISPPROF
  . . .

You can insert the basic system variables.  The above example inserts the
TSO userid via &SYSUID, and your system ID (from IEASYSxx) via &SYSNAME.

===

Well, unfortunately (it seems) that does not work in a "proc" that is
primarily responsible for dataset/library allocation/concatenation --- and
contains no executable steps.  We utilize a logon exec that interfaces with
the logon proc for creating the "custom" TSO environment for the users of
that particular TSO proc(edure) --- (which in this case winds up being the
TSO session job-step).

Clear as mud, I am sure!!


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Re: Acquiring TSO Userid in Logon Proc

[John Laubenheimer]

On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:49:49 -0400, Earnie Allen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Is there a way to pick up the TSO userid [&sysuid] during logon and
utilize
>it in the specific TSO logon proc being used?
>
>I would like to use it as part of a DSN which I would like to be able to
>create during logon and go away at logoff --- a monitoring-type dataset.
>
>Thanks!
>
>
>Earnie Allen
>Senior Systems Programmer
>MVS Systems Software
>WORLDSPAN, LP
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You can specify something like:

//$TSOSM  EXEC PGM=ADFMDF03,DYNAMNBR=200  (or PGM=IKJEFT01)
//ISPPROF   DD DISP=SHR,DSN=&SYSUID..&SYSNAME..ISPF.ISPPROF
  . . .

You can insert the basic system variables.  The above example inserts the
TSO userid via &SYSUID, and your system ID (from IEASYSxx) via &SYSNAME.

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Re: Acquiring TSO Userid in Logon Proc

[Edward E. Jaffe]

Earnie Allen wrote:


Is there a way to pick up the TSO userid [&sysuid] during logon and utilize
it in the specific TSO logon proc being used?
 



Depends on what you mean by "during logon". If the PSCB has already been 
created, you can get it from there.


PSATOLD -> TCBJSCB -> JSCBPSCB (User ID in PSCBUSER at offset zero.)

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Re: Strangs DFSMS (OAM) Reason Code

[Bruce Black]

Michael, the error codes don't match but IBM APAR *OA09884 talks about 
missing aliases and entry points in DSNALI.

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Re: TSO Exits

[Gary Green]

Sorry Wrong address...  Here is the correct one...

Gary at evergreen-systems dot com

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Rick,

If you wouldn't mind shooting a copy this way, I would appreciate it. 

Thanks.

Gary at evergreen-system dot com

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Hello Rick Fochtman 

Yes I would like to take a look ath your IKJEFF10  

plese send a copy to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Tanks very much..




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> On Aug 6, 2005, at 9:58 AM, Rick Fochtman wrote:
> 
>> I have a IKJEFF10 exit that rips the job statement apart, modifies it 
>> and re-assembles it. You can have a copy of that if you're willing to 
>> make your own modifications, to suit your own purposes.
>>
>> ---
>>
> Rick,
> 
> Welcome back.
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> Ed
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Re: TSO Exits

[Gary Green]

Rick,

If you wouldn't mind shooting a copy this way, I would appreciate it. 

Thanks.

Gary at evergreen-system dot com

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Hello Rick Fochtman 

Yes I would like to take a look ath your IKJEFF10  

plese send a copy to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Tanks very much..




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> On Aug 6, 2005, at 9:58 AM, Rick Fochtman wrote:
> 
>> I have a IKJEFF10 exit that rips the job statement apart, modifies it 
>> and
>> re-assembles it. You can have a copy of that if you're willing to make 
>> your own
>> modifications, to suit your own purposes.
>>
>> ---
>>
> Rick,
> 
> Welcome back.
> 
> Ed
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question about overflow Storage Group

[Storage CEF]

Hi all


Is anybody using SMS Storage Groups defined with overflow parameter set to YES 
?
I need some explain about this feature in SMS/ZOS.

Thanks


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Re: TSO Exits

[Jón Viðar Gunnarsson]

Hello Rick Fochtman 

Yes I would like to take a look ath your IKJEFF10  


plese send a copy to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Tanks very much..




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On Aug 6, 2005, at 9:58 AM, Rick Fochtman wrote:

I have a IKJEFF10 exit that rips the job statement apart, modifies it 
and
re-assembles it. You can have a copy of that if you're willing to make 
your own

modifications, to suit your own purposes.

---


Rick,

Welcome back.

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Re: z/OS 1.7 manuals on the Web.

[Paul Hanrahan]

Oops! I meant 1.5. Anybody using ZAP ?

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Geez ! I just put 1.6 on my lap top. - Paul Hanrahan

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Acquiring TSO Userid in Logon Proc

[Earnie Allen]

Is there a way to pick up the TSO userid [&sysuid] during logon and utilize
it in the specific TSO logon proc being used?

I would like to use it as part of a DSN which I would like to be able to
create during logon and go away at logoff --- a monitoring-type dataset.

Thanks!


Earnie Allen
Senior Systems Programmer
MVS Systems Software
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Re: ALIAS for a LMOD

[Walter Marguccio]

--- Barry Schwarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Have you performed an LLA refresh since you recreated the alias?  I
> don't know if the STEPLIB DD card will bypass LLA processing or not.

Yes, I did, but it didn't help either.

Walter Marguccio

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Re: z/OS 1.7 manuals on the Web.

[Paul Hanrahan]

Geez ! I just put 1.6 on my lap top. - Paul Hanrahan

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Re: 3590 mount counts

[Ed Micucci]

Thanks to all for excellent info.

Ed Micucci

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Re: Wouldn't it be WIKI and SourceForge time?

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 08/11/2005
   at 12:45 PM, Rob Wunderlich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>I have contributed to both CBT and Open Source. In my experience,
>using CVS is a whole lot easier -- especially when trying to get
>updates into code originated by someone else. 

IEBUPDTX is a marvelous tool for integrating changes, and in the VM
world the XEDIT support of aux, control and update files is also a
good tool.

>What "existing mechanisms" are you referring to?

SMP/E. XEDIT. SCLM.

>I don't understand the "cross-platform" argument.

Simple: developers for a non-IBM platform don't have access to or
familiarity with IBM tools. That provides an argument in favor of,
e.g., sourceforge, but it is an argument that does not apply when the
software is not cross-platform.

>An interesting perception that these are "PC" tools.

I'm not concerned with such misconceptions; I'm concerned with whether
you can make a case for expending the resources for such a case.

>Several responses in this thread mentioned that the "PC world" can't 
>run or isn't an audience for the contents of the CBT tape. I don't
>understand that comment, as the CBT tape is already publicly
>available on the web.

How many of those PC users are running Hercules, want to or even know
what it is?
 
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Re: Speaking of REXX... Can you find the problem?

[Todd Burch]

Very close, but yes.  When the routine hit asid 00E0, they compared
favorably.   In diagnosing this, it wasn't until I added the datatype()
function to both the current loop asid and the lookup asid and they both
came out as NUM did I figure it out.  Duh.

I had long figured out that I could use strictly equals, but I wanted to get
to the root cause.

What do you win...Had you been siting over my shoulder and found the
problem 1 hour prior to me sending my post to this list, you would have won
a new car.Alas, as it is now, well  you win squat.  Both you and
Mark Wheeler do get recognition from your peers that  you are both REXX
savvy and not to be reckoned with.   How's that?

Thanks, Todd.


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> I bet it had to do with the fact that you were using "=" rather than "==",
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Re: Wouldn't it be WIKI and SourceForge time?

[Ian Metcalfe]

Peter Pfaffner wrote:

> - Everybody can edit wiki's. Well, that's the open way :-)
> - I don't see how we could attract PC-Script-Kiddies to our platform.
> Sorry but that's silly. Most of you recognized IBM-MAIN newbies by
> asking simple questions. How many did you see during a year? How often
> the response is "search the archives", see link http:xxx

I agree. A mailing list is an excellent way to carry on a
pseudo-real-time discussion, but is an appaling way to document the
output from those discussions. A Wiki would be an excellent medium for
hardening the knowledge that bounces around in here, though it wouln't
surprise me if some of the fossils disagree because they can't find it
in 3.4. ;)

> What do our customers complain about? Cost's !!! The CEO of one of the
> biggest companies in Germany said to me "This platform is dead. There
> is no freeware and BMC, CA, Oracle ... are using us as a milkcow". I'm
> sure you've heared that too in some variations.

I'm a huge fan of Open Source, and I'm rather disappointed that it
hasn't gained a bigger foothold in our playground. I'd sincerely love to
see some Open Source solutions to some of the somewhat less mission
critical, what I consider to be overly expensive products, such as
Omegamon/view, Escon Manager, SAS. (I don't intend to pick on any
particular vendor - they are just 3 that spring to mind.)  I don't
believe  many companies would be prepared to place their trust in open
source databases or transaction managers, but in the areas of
monitoring, reporting and hardware management, some serious, high
quality projects might be in a position to save a large amount of cash,
and make the platform as a whole even more affordable.

Of course, there is the issue of WHERE to develop (legally) is an
impediment.

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Strangs DFSMS (OAM) Reason Code

[Michael Knigge]

All,

an OSREQ-Call (Function ACCESS) gives me a

Return Code : 00 00 00 10
Reason Code : D8 01 00 00


The reason code "D8 01" means "DSNALI Entry Point not found". Of course, 
DSNALI is in my STEPLIB (DB2 8.1).


No ideas anmore - we've checked everything I could imagine. :-(


Does someone have an idea how I can track down this error?


Bye,
  Michael

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Re: TSO/REXX Question

[DOMINGUEZ MARTIN, ANGEL LUIS]

We use a little assembler to generate a tso clear command

This is. Only add the begin and the end for standard assembler
programs 

TSOCLEAR CSECT 
   ...  
 TPUT  BORPANT,L'BORPANT,FULLSCR
   ...
BORPANT  DCXL9'401140403C40400013'   
 END

Regards 

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Re: Wouldn't it be WIKI and SourceForge time?

[Jan MOEYERSONS]

>Being able to manage xmit packages on a PC is of little interest if you
>don't know what they are, and you have nowhere to run it.

That is entirely true.

>
>Personally I can't see it (and a Wiki) causing a mass uptake of Herc and
>3.8J.

True again, but here is where we all can contribute. Not through a Wiki,
not through CBT, but by providing education and showing enthousiasm about
what we do. My experience shows that once you educate people and show them
what a mainframe really is, they too become enthousiastic about it. Of
course they have to be willing (at least a little bit), but then my
entousiasm does rub off on those that have an open mind.

Cheers,

Jantje.

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