Re: Religious controversy on IBM-MAIN

[Chase, John]

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of John Gilmore
> 
> Historically, many fora having another focus have found it advisable
to avoid the discussion of
> religion, which is divisive and likely to escalate into invective and
worse.
> 
> We are a mixture of the devout, the indifferent, and the militantly
anti-religious.  This mixture is
> explosive.  It would therefore be better, I think, if we agreed
informally not to discuss our own or
> others' religious views here.   We have other things to talk about.

Indeed.  And let us add "politics", "political philosophies", et al, to
our "out of bounds" lists; though I must admit to being an offender
there.

-jc-

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Re: Braces, Brackets, Broken braces, and Parentheses

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <4ec8a525.2010...@bcs.org.uk>, on 11/20/2011
   at 06:58 AM, CM Poncelet  said:

>In French, "guillemets" refer to single quotes (" ' "). Double quotes
>('  " ') are called "double guillemets".

Are you sure that it's not <> and <<>> rather than apostrophes and
quotes? See . Also see
Unicode code points U+00AB, U+00BB, U+2039, U+203A.
 
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Re: EOFDISK - CBTTAPE 846

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <9bhgc7p6bice8sjliefanmlrk3qsmag...@4ax.com>, on 11/20/2011
   at 02:10 AM, Binyamin Dissen  said:

>Missing SYSLIB

No - incomplete.

>point it to SYS1.MACLIB and SYS1.MODGEN

Yes.
 
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Re: EOFDISK - CBTTAPE 846

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <4537435723119219.wa.paulgboulderaim@bama.ua.edu>, on
11/19/2011
   at 05:54 PM, Paul Gilmartin  said:

>This question might better be asked on ASSEMBLER-LIST.

It's really an MVS question rather than an assembler question. IMHO it
belongs here.

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Re: Inline Rexx in JCL?

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In
,
on 11/19/2011
   at 06:15 PM, Roger Bolan  said:

>Okay, so wouldn't a simple IEBGENER step first to copy the inline
>source code into a member followed by the IKJEFT01 step do the job.

It would do a job, but not the job that the OP requested. I'd probably
use IEBUPDTE rather than IEBGENER, but those scars have mostly healed.
 
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Re: Braces, Brackets, Broken braces, and Parentheses

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In
,
on 11/19/2011
   at 07:38 PM, John Gilmore  said:

>If you'll look into the Wikipedia piece on Brackets, you'll find
>mention of  the "occasional" use of the term "broken brackets" and
>some examples.

But are there examples of use of the term "broken brackets" for the <>
in the BNF defining a language?

>The French word you're looking for may be "guillemets",

That looks right. Thanks.

>The use of ",'' instead of «, » is increasingly common in
>non-Metropolitan French,

Do you really mean " on the left and ' twice on the right, or do you
mean ` twice on the left and ' twice on the right. The former would be
inexcusable.

>I like the fact that the difference between the prefixing and 
>suffixing values is builtin, not at the mercy of some typeface 
>designer or a text-editing program that never gets things quite 
>right.

I believe that Unicode has code points outside of the ASCII range
(0-127) for left apostrophe, right apostrophe, left quote and right
quote. I would expect those to be properly[1] rendered even when the
ASCII apostrophes are not.

[1] Not necessarily in an artistic fashion.
 
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Re: Religious controversy on IBM-MAIN

[Mike Liberatore]

Can you  be more specific

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> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of John Gilmore
> 
> Historically, many fora having another focus have found it advisable
to avoid the discussion of
> religion, which is divisive and likely to escalate into invective and
worse.
> 
> We are a mixture of the devout, the indifferent, and the militantly
anti-religious.  This mixture is
> explosive.  It would therefore be better, I think, if we agreed
informally not to discuss our own or
> others' religious views here.   We have other things to talk about.

Indeed.  And let us add "politics", "political philosophies", et al, to
our "out of bounds" lists; though I must admit to being an offender
there.

-jc-

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Re: Religious controversy on IBM-MAIN

[Dan Skomsky, PSTI]

Back in the day, IBM replaced our university's 360/50 with a 370/165.  An
IBM CE posted a sign in the freight elevator stating "A 360/50 died for your
SYSINS".  The moment I read the sign, I had an epiphany.


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Can you  be more specific

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users list for Rational suite?

[william janulin]

To list;

  Can someone tell me if there is a similar list for users of the Rational 
products?

Thks,
 Bill J.

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Re: EOFDISK - CBTTAPE 846

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In
,
on 11/19/2011
   at 11:42 PM, Robert Prins  said:

>I'm trying to assemble this on a z/OS system

Try including SYS1.MODGEN in the SYSLIB concatenation.
 
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Re: users list for Rational suite?

[Alvaro Guirao Lopez]

Sorry Bill, but I don't understand to what user's list you mean.

2011/11/20 william janulin 

> To list;
>
>   Can someone tell me if there is a similar list for users of the Rational
> products?
>
> Thks,
>  Bill J.
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Re: users list for Rational suite?

[Lizette Koehler]

> > To list;
> >
> >   Can someone tell me if there is a similar list for users of the
> > Rational products?
> >
> > Thks,
> >  Bill J.
> >

If it is the IBM Rational Suite of products, probably the IBM Developers
site is the one  (watch the wrap).

https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/groups/service/html/comm
unityview?communityUuid=e4210f90-a515-41c9-a487-8fc7d79d7f61&cm_sp=MTE20956

Lizette

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Re: EOFDISK - CBTTAPE 846

[Rick Fochtman]

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You need to add SYS1.MODGEN to your SYSLIB concatenation for the Assembler.

Rick
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Robert Prins wrote:


I'm trying to assemble this on a z/OS system and having changed the
JCL to something that actually allows me to assemble the code, I get
these four errors, and having no assembler knowledge to speak off, can
anyone explain me what I need to change:

-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -
-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  295 Line(s) not Displayed
223 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 021000
224
*
021100
225  OBTAIN
OBTAINFetch the VTOC entry  021200
** ASMA057E Undefined operation code - OBTAIN
** ASMA435I Record 212 in PRINO.RAHP.ASM(EOFDISK) on volume: ZSTOR1
-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -
-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  - 9 Line(s) not Displayed
F8 D507 C740 C640 00740 00640   235  CLC   =CL8'SYSCTLG
',JFCBDSNM  See if DSN=SYSCTLG  022200
FE 4770 C10C0010C   236  BNE
NOTCVOLNo, then not an active OS catalog 022300
000102    0 0   237  CLC
=X'FF',DS1LSTAR  See if VTOC says CVOL is formated   022400
** ASMA044E Undefined symbol - DS1LSTAR
** ASMA435I Record 224 in PRINO.RAHP.ASM(EOFDISK) on volume: ZSTOR1
-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -
-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  - 8 Line(s) not Displayed
246
*
023300
00010C 1FAA 247  SLR
R10,R10Clear a work register 023400
00010E  0   248  ICM
R10,7,DS1LSTAR Ascertain last addressable record 023500
** ASMA044E Undefined symbol - DS1LSTAR
** ASMA435I Record 235 in PRINO.RAHP.ASM(EOFDISK) on volume: ZSTOR1
-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -
-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  551 Line(s) not Displayed
707
*
045600
00075000750 00588   708  ORG
F1DSCB-44  Overlay Format 1 DSCB area in CSECT   045700
709  IECSDSL1
(1) DSECT for Format-1 DSCB (VTOC entry)  045800
** ASMA057E Undefined operation code - IECSDSL1
** ASMA435I Record 458 in PRINO.RAHP.ASM(EOFDISK) on volume: ZSTOR1
-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -
-  -  -  -  -  -  -  - 3691 Line(s) not Displayed

JCL used is:

//PRINOASM JOB (PRINO),
// 'ROBERT AH PRINS',
// CLASS=A,
// MSGCLASS=H,
// MSGLEVEL=(2,0),
// NOTIFY=&SYSUID
//
*
//ASM EXEC PGM=ASMA90,
// PARM='OBJECT,NODECK'
//SYSLIBDD DSN=SYS1.MACLIB,
// DISP=SHR
//SYSLINDD DSN=&&LOADSET,
// DISP=(MOD,PASS),
// UNIT=SYSDA,
// SPACE=(800,(100,100)),
// DCB=(BLKSIZE=0)
//SYSUT1DD SPACE=(800,(100,100),,,ROUND),
// UNIT=SYSDA
//SYSPRINT  DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSUDUMP  DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSIN DD DSN=&SYSUID..RAHP.ASM(EOFDISK),
// DISP=SHR

Where '&SYSUID..RAHP.ASM(EOFDISK)' contains the assembly language part
of the member from the above mentioned CBT tape 846 @ 

Robert
 



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Redundancy (was: EOFDISK ...)

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 11:24:22 -0600, Rick Fochtman  wrote:

>--
>You need to add SYS1.MODGEN to your SYSLIB concatenation for the Assembler.
> 
How many equivalent answers does the OP need?

Remember the Good Old Days when the recommendation was to
reply privately to the OP who would then politely summarize replies
in a single followup to the forum?

Granted, the net bandwidth is orders of magnitude less constraining
nowadays, but this imposes a greater stress on the human bandwidth.

And it would still be courteous to read the thread to its most
recent ply before posting a possibly redundant reply.  Granted
that's less practical for digest subscribers, but they would be
well advised either to wait until the next digest to see whether
the question has already been answered, or to reply privately
to the OP.

And trim quotations.  The OP may properly feel obliged to
provide all potentially relevant information; the reply need
only quote the few lines pertinent to the problem and its
resolution.

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Re: SSTADET protocol

[Rob Schramm]

Just contact CA and ask them how to trace security events early in the
IPL process.

You can always convert CAS9 and TSS to SUB=MSTR

Rob Schramm
Senior Systems Consultant
Imperium Group



On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Mary Anne Matyaz
 wrote:
> "I am not sure what you intend to recreate with your scenario. I was
> referring to not being able to trace XCFAS, because it starts before
> TSS."
>
> Kees, you can recreate the error, but long after TSS is up, so you can trace 
> it.
> XCFAS will go through the same connection after BCPII comes up.
>
> MA
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Off Topic: Looking for Someone

[Rick Fochtman]

Anyone hear from Rich Vipond? He doesn't seem to be answering his E-Mail.

Thanks for any information.

Rick

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SDSF versus (E)JES

[Ivanno Alexander]

Hello.

Does any of you guys use (E)JES and dropped the IBM payment of SDSF?

Regards,

Ivan


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Re: SDSF versus (E)JES

[Gibney, Dave]

We did several years ago. Phoenix support is excellent, the install almost 
trivial. 

It did take an extra IPL of my last serverpac to get (E)JES available :)

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> Subject: SDSF versus (E)JES
> 
> Hello.
> 
> Does any of you guys use (E)JES and dropped the IBM payment of SDSF?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Ivan
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Re: Frequency of Sysplex Verification Audits?

[Patrick Falcone]

Al,

I would say that your assumption/impression is correct, at least in our case.

I run some for internal verification based on changes to our Plex, but have 
been asked, within the last 18 months or so, for the Plex stuff more frequently 
than in the past.

Regards, 


Pat Falcone




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Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 11:33 AM
Subject: Frequency of Sysplex Verification Audits?
 
I'm curious about the actual frequency that sites are being asked to run IBM's 
Sysplex Verification Package. (The IBM Sysplex Verification Package can be 
found at http://ibm.com/systems/z/swprice/sysplex/verify.html .)

The Ts&Cs of the Attachment for IBM System z AWLC (this is in other documents 
as well) include this text:

-
"require Customer to provide IBMwith a completed IBMSysplex Verification 
Package upon the occurrence of any of the following: 1) Customer implements an 
actively coupled Parallel Sysplex, 2) a permanent change is made to any 
Eligible Machine, e.g., model upgrades or model downgrade in the Parallel 
Sysplex, 3) IBMrequests a package for any year during which Customer has 
received aggregated AWLC pricing, and 4) at least once in every 12 month 
period."
-

My impression based on my clients and licensees is that IBM is requesting more 
SVP audits than a few years ago. Have others been asked to do the SVP more than 
once per year? Especially larger customers with multiple machines the number of 
"permanent changes" in capacity could easily occur multiple times per year.

Thanks everyone!

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Re: ZNALC Option for LICENSE Parameter

[Tom Russell]

There is no technical restriction on the number of TSO users if you are
using zNALC licensing. However, in order to be eligible for zNALC
pricing you must have a qualifying application. Some applications
qualify automatically, such as WAS, Lotus Domino, and some others. Some
will qualify because they are available commercially on other platforms
than z/OS, but are also available on z/OS. Products like Adabas/Natural
and Oracle can be run on other platforms, but if you choose to run them
on z/OS you will be rewarded by getting zNALC pricing. Any application
that runs on a distributed server (Unix, Linux, Windows, ...) but uses
DB2 on z/OS as a data base server also qualifies. Powerbuilder, Siebel,
PeopleSoft and any RYO windows application are examples of these
applications which qualify for zNALC pricing.

OK back to the TSO users. You are entitled to run other workload on the
zNALC z/OS image only if the other workload is "in support of" the
qualifying application. The rules do not specify what "in support of"
means. Are *all* your TSO users supporting the application? Is the HSM
running there supporting the application? It seems to me that it would
be if it were backing up the files that the application support people
use. Similarly Netview and Systems Automation products also are in
support of the main application.

There is no clear definition of what entails support, but *you* as the
customer must certify once a year that everything running on the zNALC
logical partition is in support of a qualifying application.

On 2011-11-16 12:00 AM, IBM-MAIN automatic digest system wrote:

 Date:Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:08:58 -0600
 From:Hal Merritt
 Subject: Re: ZNALC Option for LICENSE Parameter

 How so?



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Timothy Sipples
 Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 1:41 AM
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 Subject: Re: ZNALC Option for LICENSE Parameter

 Walter Marguccio writes:

 >under zNALC you can have as many TSO users as you like.

 That's a technical capability, but one could easily imagine that "as many TSO users 
as you like" would be inconsistent with your license agreement.

 

 Timothy Sipples
 Resident Enterprise Architect (Based in Singapore)
 E-Mail:timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com




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Re: Braces, Brackets, Broken braces, and Parentheses

[CM Poncelet]

The French language is defined by the Académie Française ... and is 
subject to change 'without notice'. When I was studying in French at 
school, and I did so for 13 years, a "guillemet" was a single quote. 
Hence, expressions such as "entre guillemets" meant "in quotes". Double 
quotes were known as "double-guillemets". However, there were no "<" or 
">" symbols in common use in those days (1950-60's) - and it is quite 
possible that "guillemets" has several meanings in French.


My 1948 edition of the "Nouveau petit Larousse illustré" defines 
"guillemet" as: "Petit crochet double, qui se met au commencement (<<) 
et à la fin (>>) d'une citation." That concurs with what wikipedia is 
saying. But when I was at school, "guillemets" always meant quotes - not 
angled brackets. (Angled brackets did not exist - they were not part of 
French 'orthography' - to my knowledge.)


By contrast, my 1982 edition of "Harrap's Shorter French and English 
Dictionary" interprets "guillemets" as "inverted commas, quotation 
marks; F: (colloquial) quotes; mot entre g., word in inverted commas; 
(when dictating) ouvrez, fermez, les g., quote; unquote". Also, it 
translates "quotes" as "guillemets; in quotes, entre guillemets."


So there seem to be different interpretations of the word - with "<<" 
and ">>" also being called "guillemets". But that's new to me.


Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:


In <4ec8a525.2010...@bcs.org.uk>, on 11/20/2011
  at 06:58 AM, CM Poncelet  said:

 


In French, "guillemets" refer to single quotes (" ' "). Double quotes
('  " ') are called "double guillemets".
   



Are you sure that it's not <> and <<>> rather than apostrophes and
quotes? See . Also see
Unicode code points U+00AB, U+00BB, U+2039, U+203A.

 



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IKJ139I BROADCAST DATA SET NOT USABLE, I/O SYNAD ERROR

[ibmnew]

Hi all 

 In the syslog,there is the following message:

IKJ139I   BROADCAST DATA SET NOT USABLE, I/O SYNAD ERROR 

 My question :

 1. Do it mean sys1.broadcast is broken?
 
 2. How to verify sys1.broadcast DATSET?

 3. How to solve this problem?


Thanks a lot!

Jason Cai

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