Re: zIIP queue vs CP dispatch when zIIP is fully utilized

2008-12-06 Thread Mursel Tasgin

Hi,
Thanks for the replies. Our main concern is whether we will face a performance 
degradation for our current zIIP-eligible workload (that are currently running 
on multiple CPs) when we make 1 single zIIP processor available for LPAR. 

Here the main question is; if zIIP processor is fully utilized, will new 
zIIP-eligible jobs/tasks get queued for zIIP or will they be get dispatched 
with Central Processor(s)? Will zIIP give up accepting new tasks at some point 
so that they will be dispathed by CPs or will those tasks just get delayed for 
zIIP?

Thanks and regards.
Mursel Tasgin
Akbank



From: Miklos Szigetvari [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: zIIP queue vs CP dispatch when zIIP is fully utilized

Norman Hollander on DesertWiz wrote:

First part.  depends on what you have in IEAOPT for IIPHONORPRIORITY.
One was says that if the Needs Help Dispatcher needs help, it will dispatch
work on the CPs (YES).  The other says wait for the zIIP no matter what
(NO).  

Second part.  There is overhead to route work to a zIIP (in the range of
2-11%).
zIIP processors will NOT likely be in the same Processor Core or Book as the
CP the work is coming from.  The largest performance implication comes from
having 
to reload the High Speed Buffers (or Level 1 and 1.5 caches). The having to
keep track 
SMF data and the switch rate will add a bit.

Also consider the Capacity Planning part.  When you add Specialty processors
to the mix 
with CPs in an LPAR, that LPAR will now have an increased n-way MP effect.
Example, if
you have a 4-way LPAR and add 1 zIIP and 1 zAAP, that LPAR now behaves
almost like a 6-way.
And only the CPs can run general work.

Remember- Specialty Processors are not for Performance reasons or increasing
capacity.
  


They are for keeping your license costs from going up when you need to add
more processors.

  

According our understanding not only , you could free up the general 
CP's if you could dispatch something to zIIP

I just di a presentation on this at CAWorld, and will repeat it at Share in
Austin.  There
will be a webcast for CA customers in mid-January.

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Subject: Re: zIIP queue vs CP dispatch when zIIP is fully utilized

On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:15:04 -0800, Mursel Tasgin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

Hi,
    

Planning to use zIIP processor and try to figure out what performance issues
we may experience.

When zIIP processor is fully utilized (for us: having only 1 zIIP processor,
shared among  LPARs of different sysplex's), if new zIIP-eligible works
arrive would they be queued for the zIIP processor or get dispathed on
available CPs?
Does high zIIP utilization(or a single zIIP) cause CP overhead? (ie. because
of queues, switching back-and-forth between zIIPs and CPs)

Thanks and regards.
Mursel Tasgin
Akbank



  

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This document reference may be useful on this topic.

Scott Barry
SBBWorks, Inc.

IBM Journal reference - topic on zIIP and zAAP:

zAAPs and zIIPs: Increasing the strategic value of System z

http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/rd/511/wyman.html

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Re: Activation of IOCDS fails

2008-12-04 Thread Mursel Tasgin
Jerry,
It may be because HW IODF activation is disabled (somehow) on Support Element 
of your machine. I cannot remember the exact panel, but we experienced the same 
situation when activating a HW IODF. It came out that IODF activation was 
disabled on support element(ie. during MCL upgrade etc). 

Regards.
Mursel Tasgin
Akbank





From: Jerry Fuchs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 6:58:33 PM
Subject: Activation of IOCDS fails

This is the first time that I have had to update the IODF and IOCDS under 
z/OS 1.7.

After activating the IODF I activate the IOCDS and it failes with the 
following messages

ACTIVATE ACTIOCDS=A2 
IEF196I IEF237I 6001 ALLOCATED TO SYS6 
IEF196I IEF237I 6001 ALLOCATED TO SYS7 
IEF196I IEF285I  IODF.IODF02                                  KEPT 
IEF196I IEF285I  VOL SER NOS= ESCATA. 
IEF196I IEF285I  IODF.IODF02                                  KEPT 
IEF196I IEF285I  VOL SER NOS= ESCATA. 
IOS500I ACTIVATE RESULTS 692 
ACTIVATE FAILED - ERROR MESSAGE(S) ISSUED 
NOTE = A821,PROCESSOR DEFINITION WENDYS IN CURRENTLY ACTIVE IODF 
            IODF.IODF02 DOES NOT MATCH CURRENT HARDWARE DEFINITION, 
            H/W AND S/W ARE OUT OF SYNC. 
COMPID=SC1XL 
REASON=A828,KEYWORD ACTIOCDS NOT ALLOWED, ONLY SOFTWARE CHANGES ARE 
            POSSIBLE. 
COMPID=SC1XL 
REASON=A819,ONLY SOFTWARE CHANGES ARE ALLOWED, SPECIFY SOFT FOR 
            CONFIRMATION. 
COMPID=SC1XL 

I am at a complete loss. I use a batch job to build the IODF and IOCDS.

I can send the listing from my job offline if you want to take a look at 
it.

Thanks

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zIIP queue vs CP dispatch when zIIP is fully utilized

2008-12-04 Thread Mursel Tasgin
Hi,
Planning to use zIIP processor and try to figure out what performance issues we 
may experience.

When zIIP processor is fully utilized (for us: having only 1 zIIP processor, 
shared among  LPARs of different sysplex's), if new zIIP-eligible works arrive 
would they be queued for the zIIP processor or get dispathed on available CPs?
Does high zIIP utilization(or a single zIIP) cause CP overhead? (ie. because of 
queues, switching back-and-forth between zIIPs and CPs)

Thanks and regards.
Mursel Tasgin
Akbank




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Processor model in HCD

2008-12-01 Thread Mursel Tasgin
Hi,
We plan to upgrade our 2094 S28 machine to S38 (via adding book on the same 
box). We try to figure out what changes will occur in our definitions, 
parameters etc. Other than some software licences(ie: # of CPUs), the only  
place we have coded S28 is HCD's Processors section.
Since the processor model doesn't change (it is still 2094), do we need to 
define our processors as S38 in HCD? Does this definition have any effect on 
CPU's hw definition or performance?  Has anyone experienced the same situation? 

Thanks and regards.
Mursel Tasgin
Akbank




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