Re: 3592 Cartridges

2009-12-15 Thread Hal Merritt
I'm confused. I thought management of the physical tape was a function of the 
TS7720. 

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I've got a VTL (TS7720) and 2 3592 tape drives. A rexx exec was written,
to use DFSMSdss to back up volumes for disk to the 3592. The problem is
that the job is divided into 4 parts because of the step limitation. Is
there a way of keeping the tape mounted and at the same position after
job 1 completes?

 

Thanks in advance. . .

 

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Re: 3592 Cartridges

2009-12-15 Thread Adolph Kahan
The TS7720 is a tapeless VTS. The TS7740 is the VTS with backend tape  
drives


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On 2009-12-15, at 2:38 PM, Hal Merritt hmerr...@jackhenry.com wrote:

I'm confused. I thought management of the physical tape was a  
function of the TS7720.


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I've got a VTL (TS7720) and 2 3592 tape drives. A rexx exec was  
written,
to use DFSMSdss to back up volumes for disk to the 3592. The problem  
is
that the job is divided into 4 parts because of the step limitation.  
Is

there a way of keeping the tape mounted and at the same position after
job 1 completes?



Thanks in advance. . .



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3592 Cartridges

2009-12-14 Thread George Rodriguez
I've got a VTL (TS7720) and 2 3592 tape drives. A rexx exec was written,
to use DFSMSdss to back up volumes for disk to the 3592. The problem is
that the job is divided into 4 parts because of the step limitation. Is
there a way of keeping the tape mounted and at the same position after
job 1 completes?

 

Thanks in advance. . .

 

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Re: 3592 Cartridges

2009-12-14 Thread Scott Rowe
It sounds like you are using a separate step for each volume, why not do all 
the volumes in one step.  I have backed up hundreds of volumes in one DSS step.

 George Rodriguez rodrigu...@palmbeach.k12.fl.us 12/14/2009 12:10 PM 
I've got a VTL (TS7720) and 2 3592 tape drives. A rexx exec was written,
to use DFSMSdss to back up volumes for disk to the 3592. The problem is
that the job is divided into 4 parts because of the step limitation. Is
there a way of keeping the tape mounted and at the same position after
job 1 completes?



Thanks in advance. . .



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Re: 3592 Cartridges

2009-12-14 Thread George Rodriguez
Hi Scott,

The problem is not me, but the rexx exec that was written to insure that
all volumes get backed up. The rexx execs builds one step per volume. I
guess that could be changed, but it would be really painful. . .

Do you know of any way to leaving the drive mounted between jobs?

Thanks,
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Subject: Re: 3592 Cartridges

It sounds like you are using a separate step for each volume, why not do
all the volumes in one step.  I have backed up hundreds of volumes in
one DSS step.

 George Rodriguez rodrigu...@palmbeach.k12.fl.us 12/14/2009 12:10
PM 
I've got a VTL (TS7720) and 2 3592 tape drives. A rexx exec was written,
to use DFSMSdss to back up volumes for disk to the 3592. The problem is
that the job is divided into 4 parts because of the step limitation. Is
there a way of keeping the tape mounted and at the same position after
job 1 completes?



Thanks in advance. . .



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Re: 3592 Cartridges

2009-12-14 Thread McKown, John
you could use the RETAIN subparameter on the VOL=. But that is just a 
suggestion to the system. It will dismount the tape if another job needs the 
drive. 

If you're really wild, you could trap the IEC705I message from the job in your 
automated operations package. Parse out the device number and volser, then do a 
MOUNT command. But I don't know of any way to automatically issue the UNLOAD 
command at the end of the series of jobs.

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 Hi Scott,
 
 The problem is not me, but the rexx exec that was written to 
 insure that
 all volumes get backed up. The rexx execs builds one step per 
 volume. I
 guess that could be changed, but it would be really painful. . .
 
 Do you know of any way to leaving the drive mounted between jobs?
 
 Thanks,
 George Rodriguez

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Re: 3592 Cartridges

2009-12-14 Thread Scott Rowe
The only way to leave the tape on the drive between drives is the mount 
command, and that is cumbersome for your needs.  I would just bite the bullet 
and fix the REXX exec, I have a couple I use just for this purpose.

 George Rodriguez rodrigu...@palmbeach.k12.fl.us 12/14/2009 1:04 PM 
Hi Scott,

The problem is not me, but the rexx exec that was written to insure that
all volumes get backed up. The rexx execs builds one step per volume. I
guess that could be changed, but it would be really painful. . .

Do you know of any way to leaving the drive mounted between jobs?

Thanks,
George Rodriguez
Specialist II - IT Solutions
Application Support / Quality Assurance
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To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 
Subject: Re: 3592 Cartridges

It sounds like you are using a separate step for each volume, why not do
all the volumes in one step.  I have backed up hundreds of volumes in
one DSS step.

 George Rodriguez rodrigu...@palmbeach.k12.fl.us 12/14/2009 12:10
PM 
I've got a VTL (TS7720) and 2 3592 tape drives. A rexx exec was written,
to use DFSMSdss to back up volumes for disk to the 3592. The problem is
that the job is divided into 4 parts because of the step limitation. Is
there a way of keeping the tape mounted and at the same position after
job 1 completes?



Thanks in advance. . .



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Re: 3592 Cartridges

2009-12-14 Thread Tidy, David (D)
Hi George,

I believe we use the same approach (build backup job via REXX, as you
see creating on-site and off-site backups), and our created job looks
like this:

//ACT103   EXEC LRSTGBKP,PAC=ACT103
//*
//SCT100   EXEC LRSTGBKP,PAC=SCT100,   
//VOLREF=',REF=*.ACT103.DFDSS1.TAPE1',FS=2,
// OFFREF=',REF=*.ACT103.DFDSS1.TAPE2' 
//*
//SCT101   EXEC LRSTGBKP,PAC=SCT101,   
//VOLREF=',REF=*.ACT103.DFDSS1.TAPE1',FS=3,
// OFFREF=',REF=*.ACT103.DFDSS1.TAPE2' 
//*
//ACT102   EXEC LRSTGBKP,PAC=ACT102,   
//VOLREF=',REF=*.ACT103.DFDSS1.TAPE1',FS=4,
// OFFREF=',REF=*.ACT103.DFDSS1.TAPE2' 
//* etc 

The cataloged PROC is:

//LRSTGBKP PROC PAC=NONE,DAYS='15',TAPE=TAPE,PRINT=*,VOLREF='',FS=1,
//   OFFREF=''  
//DFDSS1   EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU 
//SYSPRINT   DD SYSOUT=PRINT   
//DISK1  DD UNIT=SYSALLDA,DISP=SHR,VOL=SER=PAC 
//TAPE1  DD DSN=PSSTG.OPER.BKP.PAC,
// DISP=(NEW,KEEP,DELETE),  
// BLKSIZE=0,   
// UNIT=(TAPE,,DEFER), 
// LABEL=(FS,RETPD=DAYS), 
// VOL=(PRIVATE,RETAIN,,10VOLREF)  
//TAPE2  DD DSN=PSSTG.OPER.OFF.PAC,
// DISP=(NEW,KEEP,DELETE),  
// BLKSIZE=0,   
// UNIT=(TAPE,,DEFER), 
// LABEL=(FS,RETPD=DAYS), 
// VOL=(PRIVATE,RETAIN,,10OFFREF)  
//SYSIN  DD DISP=SHR,DSN=PRSTG.PERM.DATA(DFBACK)



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 George Rodriguez rodrigu...@palmbeach.k12.fl.us 12/14/2009 12:10
PM 
I've got a VTL (TS7720) and 2 3592 tape drives. A rexx exec was written,
to use DFSMSdss to back up volumes for disk to the 3592. The problem is
that the job is divided into 4 parts because of the step limitation. Is
there a way of keeping the tape mounted and at the same position after
job 1 completes?

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Re: HSM filing up 3592 cartridges

2009-03-04 Thread Bruno Sugliani
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 07:13:26 +0200, Arye Shemer ary...@matrix.co.il wrote:
Customer is using HSM and claims that HSM won't let him put more then 99
disk volume backups on one cartridge.
Is there is a way to overcome this limit?
The customer would like to utilize his 3592 cartridges more efficiently.

When we bought jaguars we realised the HSM STACK parameter could not exceed
99 and of course we could not fill our cartridge 
we made a  request but i do not know what happened to it 
In between we moved from mod3 to bigger models ( mod9 and 27) and bypassed
the problem at the same time . 
I do not think the 99 limit was changed.
Bruno Sugliani 
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Re: HSM filing up 3592 cartridges

2009-03-04 Thread R.S.

Arye Shemer wrote:

We suggested to the customer to switch to larger volumes, but he said:

They are small software developing shop and need small volumes for the
developers' teams.


I agree the limit of 99 could be inconvenient. However, the limit exist 
and you have a choice: increase volume size or live with partially-full 
cartridges.


BTW: I strongly believe they DON'T need small volumes. Probably they 
need SMS and some naming convention. Separation at volume level is not 
needed.

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Re: HSM filing up 3592 cartridges

2009-03-04 Thread Eric Bielefeld
I don't remember if this was answered or not, but is there really a 99 
volume limit in DFHSM?  I would think that would be something fairly easy 
for the HSM people to change, atlhough I may be wrong about that.


This whole thread reminds me of one of my first big projects as a sysprog 
when I worked for Milwaukee County.  I wrote a system like HSM for backing 
up the changed and new datasets on our TSO packs.  Everything back then was 
backed up to tape (good old 3420 round reels - state of the art at the 
time).  I wrote everything out to tape using IEBGENER for one set of tapes, 
and IEBCOPY for another set of tapes.  I think back then, the LABEL= 
parameter had a limit of 99, so we put a maximum of 99 files on each tape. 
Ah for the good old days when I wrote a lot of assembler!


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We suggested to the customer to switch to larger volumes, but he said:

They are small software developing shop and need small volumes for the
developers' teams.

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Use bigger volumes?


Arye Shemer ary...@matrix.co.il 3/3/2009 12:13 AM 

   Hello,



Customer is using HSM and claims that HSM won't let him put more then 99
disk volume backups on one cartridge.



Is there is a way to overcome this limit?
The customer would like to utilize his 3592 cartridges more efficiently.
Thanks,

Arye Shemer.


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Re: HSM filing up 3592 cartridges

2009-03-04 Thread Eric Bielefeld
I'm sorry - this was answered quite definitively a few posts after the one 
that I responded to.  I violated my rule of reading the rest of the posts on 
a topic before responding, and especially before asking questions!


Eric

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I don't remember if this was answered or not, but is there really a 99 
volume limit in DFHSM?  I would think that would be something fairly easy 
for the HSM people to change, atlhough I may be wrong about that.





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Re: HSM filing up 3592 cartridges

2009-03-03 Thread Staller, Allan
Not at this time

snip
Customer is using HSM and claims that HSM won't let him put more then 99
disk volume backups on one cartridge.

 

Is there is a way to overcome this limit?
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Re: HSM filing up 3592 cartridges

2009-03-03 Thread Schwarz, Barry A
Are you referring to data set backups or full volume dumps?

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Hello,

Customer is using HSM and claims that HSM won't let him put more then 99
disk volume backups on one cartridge.

Is there is a way to overcome this limit?

The customer would like to utilize his 3592 cartridges more efficiently.

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Re: HSM filing up 3592 cartridges

2009-03-03 Thread Scott Rowe
Use bigger volumes?

 Arye Shemer ary...@matrix.co.il 3/3/2009 12:13 AM 
Hello,



Customer is using HSM and claims that HSM won't let him put more then 99
disk volume backups on one cartridge.



Is there is a way to overcome this limit?



The customer would like to utilize his 3592 cartridges more efficiently.




Thanks,



Arye Shemer.


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Re: HSM filing up 3592 cartridges

2009-03-03 Thread Brian Westerman
I agree, if you use larger volumes, you won't find the 99 volume count an issue.

Brian

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Re: HSM filing up 3592 cartridges

2009-03-03 Thread Arye Shemer
Question: Are you referring to data set backups or full volume dumps?
Question

 

Answer: The customer is doing full volume dumps

 

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Are you referring to data set backups or full volume dumps?

 

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Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 9:13 PM

To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu

Subject: HSM filing up 3592 cartridges

 

Hello,

 

Customer is using HSM and claims that HSM won't let him put more then 99

disk volume backups on one cartridge.

 

Is there is a way to overcome this limit?

 

The customer would like to utilize his 3592 cartridges more efficiently.

 

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Re: HSM filing up 3592 cartridges

2009-03-03 Thread Arye Shemer
We suggested to the customer to switch to larger volumes, but he said:

They are small software developing shop and need small volumes for the
developers' teams.

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Use bigger volumes?

 Arye Shemer ary...@matrix.co.il 3/3/2009 12:13 AM 
Hello,



Customer is using HSM and claims that HSM won't let him put more then 99
disk volume backups on one cartridge.



Is there is a way to overcome this limit?



The customer would like to utilize his 3592 cartridges more efficiently.




Thanks,



Arye Shemer.


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HSM filing up 3592 cartridges

2009-03-02 Thread Arye Shemer
Hello,

 

Customer is using HSM and claims that HSM won't let him put more then 99
disk volume backups on one cartridge.

 

Is there is a way to overcome this limit?

 

The customer would like to utilize his 3592 cartridges more efficiently.


 

Thanks,

 

Arye Shemer.


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