Re: Another incident
On 28 Dec 2005 09:24:47 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Andrews) wrote: Candidates for U.S. President must have been citizens at birth. Postal workers must be U.S. citizens, or have permanent resident status. Or more precisely: No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President. This included George Romney who was born overseas, and possibly excluded Andrew Jackson whom some scholars say was born in route to America. And it includes George Washington who was born before the United States existed. So while Schwarzenegger can become a candidate for the presidency, it would be fruitless, as he cannot become president. Admendment XX appears to say that if he were next in line for the presidency (speaker of the house, for instance), they would have to pass over him. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Another incident
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/27/2005 at 10:17 AM, David Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Candidates for U.S. President must have been citizens at birth. No. But the governator isn't old enough to be grandfathered in. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Another incident
Tom Harper wrote: Many persons have misunderstandings about registered mail. The most common are confusing registered mail with insured mail and / or certified mail. I have never heard of a theft from US registered mail (the Hope diamond was shipped via registered mail), although overseas registered mail is not nearly so secure. Most diamond dealers regularly ship diamonds via registered mail, as it is the safest of all transport mechanisms. Penalties for stealing registered mail are severe and almost certain to catch the culprit due to the signature tracing. I don't know how registered mail works in U.S. (*) but here, in Poland (I can't speak for whole EU) it is not good idea to send anything important/valuable through post. It doesn't matter what kind of registered mail you use. It's also slow and unconvenient. Last but not least: you have to deliver your box to the post office. What about security during the way from data center to PO ? (*) I heard that one of limitations for immigrant citizens (like Arnold the Governor aus Gratz) is they cannot be President of U.S. and the second is they cannot work in post. Is it true ? BTW: As know, companies here use the same services like for cash transportation. Armed guys, armoured car, point to point route. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Another incident
Sure people can say well the bag could get lost but the chances are very very slim and even then as soon as the truck reaches the dock to unload the post office will be expecting a registered mail bag so if it is lost they will know immediately. I am sure it is probably cheaper too than having to by special software and hardware to encrypt their data. Just my 0.02 cents 1. This is very slow. 2. There is a lot of handling. 3. Post Office employees do steal from the mail. 4. If this worked, we wouldn't have courier companies. 5. I have had two registered letters sent to me lost, in the past 10 years. -teD Me? A skeptic? I trust you have proof! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Another incident
1. This is very slow. Maybe but better to be slow and safe 2. There is a lot of handling. And there is not with any other courier 3. Post Office employees do steal from the mail. Again it is locked, that will be found out before the end of the shift 4. If this worked, we wouldn't have courier companies. Maybe they don't know the post office can offer that type of service, besides there has to be other companies because then the post office would be a monopoly, the US post office is not a government institution, it has its own board of directors, but is over seen by the government. 5. I have had two registered letters sent to me lost, in the past 10 years. Nothing is 100%, a hacker can break any code just give them time, anything man can create, man can uncreate -teD Me? A skeptic? I trust you have proof! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html This email may contain confidential material. If you were not an intended recipient, Please notify the sender and delete all copies. We may monitor email to and from our network. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Another incident
Many persons have misunderstandings about registered mail. The most common are confusing registered mail with insured mail and / or certified mail. I have never heard of a theft from US registered mail (the Hope diamond was shipped via registered mail), although overseas registered mail is not nearly so secure. Most diamond dealers regularly ship diamonds via registered mail, as it is the safest of all transport mechanisms. Penalties for stealing registered mail are severe and almost certain to catch the culprit due to the signature tracing. Tom Harper -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Huckert, James Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 12:34 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Another incident 1. This is very slow. Maybe but better to be slow and safe 2. There is a lot of handling. And there is not with any other courier 3. Post Office employees do steal from the mail. Again it is locked, that will be found out before the end of the shift 4. If this worked, we wouldn't have courier companies. Maybe they don't know the post office can offer that type of service, besides there has to be other companies because then the post office would be a monopoly, the US post office is not a government institution, it has its own board of directors, but is over seen by the government. 5. I have had two registered letters sent to me lost, in the past 10 years. Nothing is 100%, a hacker can break any code just give them time, anything man can create, man can uncreate -teD Me? A skeptic? I trust you have proof! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Another incident
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/21/2005 at 03:12 PM, Huckert, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: What I don't understand is why companies don't just send their tapes registered mail through the post office. Timing. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Another incident
* ABN Amro Eyes Electronic Data Transfers After Tape Loss Incident http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/196540/248833/4471/0/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Another incident
One of the things I hate about media reports. The title of the article implies that ABN Amro had no intention of converting to encrypted e-transfers until the tape was lost, but if you read the article, it states that this change has been ongoing for over 6 months. Quotes from the article: The goal starting last spring was to eliminate all physical handling of tapes -- and any tape where we cannot eliminate the physical handling because the other party cannot receive [the electronic data] will go by special courier, Goldstein said. He cited FedEx Corp. as one company ABN Amro might use. The tape in question was to be transferred fully electronically and encrypted this month. One of the really upsetting things about this is one more month, and this couldn't have happened, Goldstein said. Wayne Driscoll Product Developer Western Metal Supply NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own. NO I am do not work for ABN Amro or any of its subsidiaries. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 12:45 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Another incident * ABN Amro Eyes Electronic Data Transfers After Tape Loss Incident http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/196540/248833/4471/0/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Another incident
What I don't understand is why companies don't just send their tapes registered mail through the post office. The audit trail the post office keeps on that kind of mail is very thorough and plus when registered mail is received at each post it is locked in a secure cage until it will be shipped out and then it will be taken to the mail room and locked in a special sack strictly for that kind of mail. Heck I have seen gold shipped that way from one bank to another (I have worked at a major post office as temp). Sure people can say well the bag could get lost but the chances are very very slim and even then as soon as the truck reaches the dock to unload the post office will be expecting a registered mail bag so if it is lost they will know immediately. I am sure it is probably cheaper too than having to by special software and hardware to encrypt their data. Just my 0.02 cents James H. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 12:45 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Another incident * ABN Amro Eyes Electronic Data Transfers After Tape Loss Incident http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/196540/248833/4471/0/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html This email may contain confidential material. If you were not an intended recipient, Please notify the sender and delete all copies. We may monitor email to and from our network. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
