Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 07/23/2008
   at 04:46 PM, "Patrick O'Keefe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>It's been over 20 years since I saw one but as I recall it was a rocker 
>switch.  In any case it was a togglable function - you didn't have to 
>hold a special key down while typing one-handed.

No; you nay be thingking of an upper/dual case control on some keyboards.
The Text keyboard had a rex on/off key that was a toggle and an Alt key
that you had to hold down. See p. 17 of GA27-2788-1.
 
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Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

[Patrick O'Keefe]

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:08:55 -0300, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>...
>As I recall, there was an Alt key but not all displayable characters 
could
>be entered from the keyboard. ...

It's been over 20 years since I saw one but as I recall it was a rocker 
switch.  In any case it was a togglable function - you didn't have to 
hold a special key down while typing one-handed.

Pat O'Keefe

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Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 07/08/2008
   at 02:18 PM, Edward Jaffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>I suspect a) that the original devices with this TEXT keyboard had a 
>special shift key or something that would allow input of these graphical 
>drawing characters, b) that this function predated the advent of the 
>graphics escape character set, and c) that the drawing characters 
>appeared correctly without translation on those devices.

As I recall, there was an Alt key but not all displayable characters could
be entered from the keyboard. I'm pretty sure that there was no GE on the
3275 or 3277.

>Presumably, ISPF translates for graphics-escape-capable emulators to 
>provide end-user-apparent compatibility for text-based graphics built 
>using those devices.

Not just drawing; brackets require GE sequences.
 
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Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
on 07/08/2008
   at 08:30 AM, "Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>Looks just like plain garbage to be.

Does your 3270 simulator support use of the Graphics Escape (GE)
character? As I recall, ISPF expects [ and ] to come in as GE 'AA'x and
'GE 'BB'x, replacing the two-character sequences with 'AD'x and 'BD'x.
Outgoing it replaces single characters with two-character sequences as
appropriate.
 
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Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

[Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)]

>IBM's macro syntax diagrams consist of drawing characters, square 
>brackets, braces, parentheses, etc. and look great with the right 
>code page and translation table settings. The appearance of "garbage" 
>characters is an artifact of an emulator code page or ISPF translation 
>table issue.

You haven't convinced me :-) As said before none of the code pages 
037, 285, 500, 273, 1047 have the curly braces assigned at x'8b' and 
x'9b'. Except from CP273 they all have them at x'C0' and x'D0'. 

So it's not a problem that can be solved with correct code page
settings. You need ISPF to do some strange undocumented translation,
too. Thinking about all the troubles there are dealing with different
code pages I really do not need ISPF to get into the path "emulating
the ancient T-11 printer chain".

BTW, did anyone recognize that the curly braces at x'C0' / x'D0' look 
different to those at x'8B' / x'9B' when terminal type is set to 3278T.
The latter are slightly higher than the former.

I'll stay with terminal type 3278 which does not translate anything
above x'3F' from my experience. 

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Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

[Edward Jaffe]

Roger Bolan wrote:

See this for a table showing how 3278A and 3278T map codepoints.
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/ispzug61/D.0?FS=TRUE&TB=SCRIPT&ACTION=MATCHES&REQUEST=3278+text+keyboard&TYPE=FUZZY&SHELF=EZ2ZO10K.bks&DT=20071211174724&CASE=zosv1r90.bkc&PATH=/bookmgr_OS390/libraryserver/zosv1r9/&searchTopic=TOPIC&searchText=TEXT&searchIndex=INDEX&rank=RANK&ScrollTOP=FIRSTHIT#FIRSTHIT
  


That link is indeed helpful. It shows the drawing characters that can be 
used with 3278T.


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Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

[Roger Bolan]

> The help is inadequate. It says nothing about how the terminal type 
> setting influences the data stream.

You're right.  I was overstating to call the little one line descriptions 
"explanation".And this stuff is old.  I remember once having written 
myself a little edit macro for comments that would create a nice solid 
line box around comment text, but it looked like garbage unless you were 
using 3278T to view it.  This was back when my terminal actually WAS a 
real 3278 with TEXT keyboard. 

I wonder how well this one would match up with code page 1047: 
28. 3278L1  (3276, 3278, or 3279 terminal with Latin-1 character set) 

See this for a table showing how 3278A and 3278T map codepoints.
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/ispzug61/D.0?FS=TRUE&TB=SCRIPT&ACTION=MATCHES&REQUEST=3278+text+keyboard&TYPE=FUZZY&SHELF=EZ2ZO10K.bks&DT=20071211174724&CASE=zosv1r90.bkc&PATH=/bookmgr_OS390/libraryserver/zosv1r9/&searchTopic=TOPIC&searchText=TEXT&searchIndex=INDEX&rank=RANK&ScrollTOP=FIRSTHIT#FIRSTHIT

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Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

[Edward Jaffe]

Roger Bolan wrote:

I also normally use 3278A because I sometimes need to work with APL code.
On the system I'm currently using there are 29 different terminal types 
listed at the bottom of the Settings menu.  To see the explanation for 
each, just put your cursor on the entry field and press PF1.
  


The help is inadequate. It says nothing about how the terminal type 
setting influences the data stream.


For the 3278T setting I use, it says  simply "(3276, 3278, or 3279 
terminal with TEXT keyboard)". Tracing shows that this setting causes 
ISPF to recognize certain character values in the data stream and 
convert them to graphics escape sequences. For example, the x'AC' 
character is written to the display as x'08C5' which is the "upper left 
corner" graphical drawing character.


I suspect a) that the original devices with this TEXT keyboard had a 
special shift key or something that would allow input of these graphical 
drawing characters, b) that this function predated the advent of the 
graphics escape character set, and c) that the drawing characters 
appeared correctly without translation on those devices.


Presumably, ISPF translates for graphics-escape-capable emulators to 
provide end-user-apparent compatibility for text-based graphics built 
using those devices. I have not been able to find this behavior 
documented ANYWHERE!


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Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

[Roger Bolan]

I also normally use 3278A because I sometimes need to work with APL code.
On the system I'm currently using there are 29 different terminal types 
listed at the bottom of the Settings menu.  To see the explanation for 
each, just put your cursor on the entry field and press PF1.
 Terminal Type   41. 3277   2. 3277A  3. 3278   4. 
3278A 
   5. 3290A  6. 3278T  7. 3278CF 8. 3277KN 
 
   9. 3278KN10. 3278AR11. 3278CY12. 3278HN 
 
  13. 3278HO14. 3278IS15. 3278L216. BE163  
 
  17. BE190 18. 3278TH19. 3278CU20. DEU78  
 
  21. DEU78A22. DEU78T23. DEU90A24. SW116  
 
  25. SW131 26. SW500 27. 3278GR28. 3278L1 
 
  29. OTHER 

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IBM Mainframe Discussion List  wrote on 07/08/2008 
09:15:48 AM:

> That does it, for years I have used 1047 with terminal type set to "4" 
3278A
> with no problem.
> Thanks Ed.
> 
> Wayne Driscoll

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Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

[Ed Finnell]

 
In a message dated 7/8/2008 1:54:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

s this a question for me?  I don't do DB2.  ;-)But we did just convert
all our DB2 from ccsid 500 to 37.  This was  done for DB2 V8.  BTW, some
QMF / GDDM fallout from that also.  I  now have to support a GDDM defaults


>>
Mark,
Thanks for responding. It was just a general  query for the group.
Just remember the DBA's fussing about having  to roll back a bunch of updates 
due to code page mismatches. IIRC some of the  3rd party
vendors used esoteric squiggles in their plan  names.







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Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

[Mark Zelden]

On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:43:01 EDT, Ed Finnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>In a message dated 7/8/2008 12:26:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>Ditto from me Ed.  If I get approval for SHARE, I owe ya  one.  :-)
>
>
>>>
>What's the exposure if you DB/2's stay  037? Particularly those with
>Installadmin  authority.
>

Is this a question for me?  I don't do DB2.  ;-)   But we did just convert
all our DB2 from ccsid 500 to 37.  This was done for DB2 V8.  BTW, some
QMF / GDDM fallout from that also.  I now have to support a GDDM defaults
usermod.  A dataset with an ADMMDFT override was good enough for TSO
executed QMF in some environments, but I just found out one of the other
ones has a bunch of QMF batch jobs that get the same code page mismatch
error message.

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Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

[Ed Finnell]

 
In a message dated 7/8/2008 12:26:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Ditto from me Ed.  If I get approval for SHARE, I owe ya  one.  :-)


>>
What's the exposure if you DB/2's stay  037? Particularly those with 
Installadmin  authority.





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Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

[Mark Zelden]

On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:15:48 -0500, Wayne Driscoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>That does it, for years I have used 1047 with terminal type set to "4" 3278A
>with no problem.
>Thanks Ed.
>

Ditto from me Ed.  If I get approval for SHARE, I owe ya one.  :-)

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Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

[Wayne Driscoll]

That does it, for years I have used 1047 with terminal type set to "4" 3278A
with no problem.
Thanks Ed.

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Larre Shiller wrote:
> Ed -
>
> Gee, I must have missed the memo--I'm still using old code page 037!  I 
> changed my PCOM configuration to use code page 1047 and now I get square 
> brackets, but something is still not quite right...
>   
[snip]
> What am I missing...??
>   

Try setting your terminal type in ISPF Settings to '6' = 3278T.

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Re: SV: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

[Edward Jaffe]

Thomas Berg wrote:

FWIW, here is (part of) ANTRQTA viewed in the Swedish charset:
  


I'm going to try to paste in a picture. Don't know if IBM-MAIN will 
allow ...




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SV: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

[Thomas Berg]

C000F000F000CDB4656323632EB74656323632F56BC


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Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) wrote:
> Looks just like plain garbage to be. Probably this member has gone 
> through a couple of code page translations
>
> >From looking at the text I'd say the x'8B's and x'9B's are meant
> to be curly braces. None of the code pages I "know" has them at those 
> code points. I don't have a clue what the garbage before the MF= could 
> be, though.
>   

IBM's macro syntax diagrams consist of drawing characters, square brackets, 
braces, parentheses, etc. and look great with the right code page and 
translation table settings. The appearance of "garbage" 
characters is an artifact of an emulator code page or ISPF translation table 
issue.

You will find syntax diagrams in (at least) the following macros from
SYS1.MACLIB:

ANTRQTA ANTRQTB ANTRQTC ANTRQTD ANTRQT1 ATRQUERY ATRSRV AXREXX BPXEKDA BPXESMF 
BPXYSOCK CHSTRACE CNZCONV CNZQUERY COFCREAT COFDEFIN COFIDENT COFNOTIF COFPURGE 
COFREMOV COFRETRI COFSDONO CONFCHG CONVCON CSRCESRV CSRCMPSC CSRUNIC CSVAPF 
CSVDYLPA CSVDYNEX CSVDYNL CSVINFO CSVQUERY CSVRTLS CTRACE CTRACECS CTRACEWR 
CUNBOIDF CUN4BOID DSPSERV EDGXHCLU EDTINFO ERBDSCHD ERBDSCSL ERB3XDRH GETDSAB 
GIMHC370 GIMMCLC HSPSERV HZSADDCK HZSCHECK HZSCPARS HZSFMSG HZSQUERY IARR2V 
IARSUBSP IARVSERV
IARV64 IAZCMTCB IAZCSOCK IEAARR IEAFP IEAINTKN IEALSQRY IEAMETR IEAMPDQ 
IEAMSCHD IEARBUP IEATDUMP IEECMDS IEEQEMCS IEEVARYD IEFDDSRV IEFHUPD IEFPPSCN 
IEFPRMLB IEFSSI IEFSSVT IEFSSVTI IEWBIND2 IEWBUFF IFAQUERY IFAUSAGE IHABLDP 
IOCINFO IOSADMF IOSCAPF IOSCAPU IOSCDR IOSCHPD IOSCMB IOSCMXA IOSCMXR IOSDCXR 
IOSENQ IOSODS IOSPTHV IOSUPFA IOSUPFR IOSVRYSW IOSWITCH IRDFSD IRDFSDU ISGADMIN 
ISGECA ISGENQ ISGQUERY ISTCSMGC ISTEECOC ISTEEHNC ISTEESUC ISTHPRCC ITTFMTB 
ITTWRITE ITZEVENT ITZQUERY ITZXFILT IVTCSM IVTFREE IWMAEDEF IWMBDREG IWMBLOC 
IWMBQRY IWMBREG IWMBREQ IWMBRIP IWMBSET IWMBSMP IWMCLSFY IWMCNTN IWMCONN 
IWMCPAFN IWMCQRY IWMDEXTR IWMDINST IWMDISC IWMEBLK IWMECQRY IWMECREA IWMEDELE 
IWMEDREG IWMEGCOR IWMEJOIN IWMELEAV IWMEQTME IWMEREG IWMERES IWMESQRY IWMESTOP 
IWMESTRT IWMEUBLK IWMEXPT IWMGCORF IWMIMPT IWMMABNL IWMMCHST IWMMCREA IWMMDELE 
IWMMEXTR IWMMINIT IWMMNTFY IWMMRELA IWMMSTOP IWMMSTRT IWMMSWCH IWMMUPD IWMMXDC 
IWMMXFER IWMMXRA IWMPACT IWMPQRY IWMQCXIT IWMQDEL IWMQINS IWMRCOLL IWMRESET 
IWMRPT IWMRQRY IWMSCORF IWMSCXIT IWMSEDES IWMSEQRY IWMSESET IWMSEVAL IWMSINF 
IWMSLIM IWMSRDNS IWMSRDRS IWMSRFSV IWMSRSRG IWMSRSRS IWMSSEL IWMSSEM IWMSTBGN 
IWMSTEND IWMTAFF IWMUEXPT IWMUIMPT IWMWMCON IWMWQRY IWMWQWRK IWMWSYSQ IWM4AEDF 
IWM4CON IWM4DIS IWM4ECRE IWM4EDEL IWM4HLTH IWM4MCHS IWM4MCRE IWM4MDRG IWM4MINI 
IWM4MREG IWM4QDE IWM4QIN IWM4SLI IWM4SRSC IWM4SSL IWM4SSM IWM4STBG IWM4STEN 
IWM4TAF IXCARM IXCCFCM IXCCREAT IXCDELET IXCJOIN IXCLEAVE IXCMG IXCMOD IXCMSGC 
IXCMSGI IXCMSGO IXCQUERY IXCQUIES IXCSETUS IXCSSMO IXCSYSCL IXCTERM IXGBRWSE 
IXGCONN IXGDELET IXGIMPRT IXGINVNT IXGOFFLD IXGQUERY IXGUPDAT IXGWRITE IXLALTER 
IXLCACHE IXLCONN IXLCSP IXLDISC IXLEERSP IXLFCOMP IXLFORCE IXLLIST IXLLOCK 
IXLLSTC IXLLSTE IXLLSTM IXLMG IXLPURGE IXLREBLD IXLRT IXLSYNCH IXLUSYNC 
IXLVECTR IXLZSTR IXZXCADS IXZXENVR IXZXIXAC IXZXIXAT IXZXIXCL IXZXIXCM IXZXIXCN 
IXZXIXDT IXZXIXIF IXZXIXMB IXZXIXMC IXZXIXMD IXZXIXPI IXZXIXRM IXZXIXRR 
IXZXIXSM IXZXIXUS IXZXTSOI LLACOPY MCSOPER MCSOPMSG MIHQUERY REFPAT RSMCOUNT 
SCHEDIRB SENDREQ SYMRBLD UCBINFO UCBLOOK UCBPIN UCBSCAN

and in the following macros from SYS1.MODGEN:

ASASYMBF ASAXWC GETCSCB IOSCUINF

Good luck reading them without proper settings.  :-) I suppose one could argue 
that's what manuals are for. But, not all of them are documented in the 
manuals. :-(

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Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

[Edward Jaffe]

Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) wrote:

Looks just like plain garbage to be. Probably this member has gone
through a couple of code page translations

>From looking at the text I'd say the x'8B's and x'9B's are meant 
to be curly braces. None of the code pages I "know" has them at

those code points. I don't have a clue what the garbage before
the MF= could be, though.
  


IBM's macro syntax diagrams consist of drawing characters, square 
brackets, braces, parentheses, etc. and look great with the right code 
page and translation table settings. The appearance of "garbage" 
characters is an artifact of an emulator code page or ISPF translation 
table issue.


You will find syntax diagrams in (at least) the following macros from 
SYS1.MACLIB:


ANTRQTA ANTRQTB ANTRQTC ANTRQTD ANTRQT1 ATRQUERY ATRSRV AXREXX BPXEKDA 
BPXESMF BPXYSOCK CHSTRACE CNZCONV CNZQUERY COFCREAT COFDEFIN COFIDENT 
COFNOTIF COFPURGE COFREMOV COFRETRI COFSDONO CONFCHG CONVCON CSRCESRV 
CSRCMPSC CSRUNIC CSVAPF CSVDYLPA CSVDYNEX CSVDYNL CSVINFO CSVQUERY 
CSVRTLS CTRACE CTRACECS CTRACEWR CUNBOIDF CUN4BOID DSPSERV EDGXHCLU 
EDTINFO ERBDSCHD ERBDSCSL ERB3XDRH GETDSAB GIMHC370 GIMMCLC HSPSERV 
HZSADDCK HZSCHECK HZSCPARS HZSFMSG HZSQUERY IARR2V IARSUBSP IARVSERV 
IARV64 IAZCMTCB IAZCSOCK IEAARR IEAFP IEAINTKN IEALSQRY IEAMETR IEAMPDQ 
IEAMSCHD IEARBUP IEATDUMP IEECMDS IEEQEMCS IEEVARYD IEFDDSRV IEFHUPD 
IEFPPSCN IEFPRMLB IEFSSI IEFSSVT IEFSSVTI IEWBIND2 IEWBUFF IFAQUERY 
IFAUSAGE IHABLDP IOCINFO IOSADMF IOSCAPF IOSCAPU IOSCDR IOSCHPD IOSCMB 
IOSCMXA IOSCMXR IOSDCXR IOSENQ IOSODS IOSPTHV IOSUPFA IOSUPFR IOSVRYSW 
IOSWITCH IRDFSD IRDFSDU ISGADMIN ISGECA ISGENQ ISGQUERY ISTCSMGC 
ISTEECOC ISTEEHNC ISTEESUC ISTHPRCC ITTFMTB ITTWRITE ITZEVENT ITZQUERY 
ITZXFILT IVTCSM IVTFREE IWMAEDEF IWMBDREG IWMBLOC IWMBQRY IWMBREG 
IWMBREQ IWMBRIP IWMBSET IWMBSMP IWMCLSFY IWMCNTN IWMCONN IWMCPAFN 
IWMCQRY IWMDEXTR IWMDINST IWMDISC IWMEBLK IWMECQRY IWMECREA IWMEDELE 
IWMEDREG IWMEGCOR IWMEJOIN IWMELEAV IWMEQTME IWMEREG IWMERES IWMESQRY 
IWMESTOP IWMESTRT IWMEUBLK IWMEXPT IWMGCORF IWMIMPT IWMMABNL IWMMCHST 
IWMMCREA IWMMDELE IWMMEXTR IWMMINIT IWMMNTFY IWMMRELA IWMMSTOP IWMMSTRT 
IWMMSWCH IWMMUPD IWMMXDC IWMMXFER IWMMXRA IWMPACT IWMPQRY IWMQCXIT 
IWMQDEL IWMQINS IWMRCOLL IWMRESET IWMRPT IWMRQRY IWMSCORF IWMSCXIT 
IWMSEDES IWMSEQRY IWMSESET IWMSEVAL IWMSINF IWMSLIM IWMSRDNS IWMSRDRS 
IWMSRFSV IWMSRSRG IWMSRSRS IWMSSEL IWMSSEM IWMSTBGN IWMSTEND IWMTAFF 
IWMUEXPT IWMUIMPT IWMWMCON IWMWQRY IWMWQWRK IWMWSYSQ IWM4AEDF IWM4CON 
IWM4DIS IWM4ECRE IWM4EDEL IWM4HLTH IWM4MCHS IWM4MCRE IWM4MDRG IWM4MINI 
IWM4MREG IWM4QDE IWM4QIN IWM4SLI IWM4SRSC IWM4SSL IWM4SSM IWM4STBG 
IWM4STEN IWM4TAF IXCARM IXCCFCM IXCCREAT IXCDELET IXCJOIN IXCLEAVE IXCMG 
IXCMOD IXCMSGC IXCMSGI IXCMSGO IXCQUERY IXCQUIES IXCSETUS IXCSSMO 
IXCSYSCL IXCTERM IXGBRWSE IXGCONN IXGDELET IXGIMPRT IXGINVNT IXGOFFLD 
IXGQUERY IXGUPDAT IXGWRITE IXLALTER IXLCACHE IXLCONN IXLCSP IXLDISC 
IXLEERSP IXLFCOMP IXLFORCE IXLLIST IXLLOCK IXLLSTC IXLLSTE IXLLSTM IXLMG 
IXLPURGE IXLREBLD IXLRT IXLSYNCH IXLUSYNC IXLVECTR IXLZSTR IXZXCADS 
IXZXENVR IXZXIXAC IXZXIXAT IXZXIXCL IXZXIXCM IXZXIXCN IXZXIXDT IXZXIXIF 
IXZXIXMB IXZXIXMC IXZXIXMD IXZXIXPI IXZXIXRM IXZXIXRR IXZXIXSM IXZXIXUS 
IXZXTSOI LLACOPY MCSOPER MCSOPMSG MIHQUERY REFPAT RSMCOUNT SCHEDIRB 
SENDREQ SYMRBLD UCBINFO UCBLOOK UCBPIN UCBSCAN


and in the following macros from SYS1.MODGEN:

ASASYMBF ASAXWC GETCSCB IOSCUINF

Good luck reading them without proper settings.  :-) I suppose one could 
argue that's what manuals are for. But, not all of them are documented 
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Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

[Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)]

>I don't know the code page involved, but the GX20-0157-2 (System/370
>Extended Architecture Reference Summary) has a section entitled "CODE
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Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

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> >> What am I missing...??
> >>   
> >
> >Try setting your terminal type in ISPF Settings to '6' = 3278T.
> 
> Looks just like plain garbage to be. Probably this member has gone
> through a couple of code page translations
> 
> From looking at the text I'd say the x'8B's and x'9B's are meant 
> to be curly braces. None of the code pages I "know" has them at
> those code points. I don't have a clue what the garbage before
> the MF= could be, though. 
> 
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I don't know the code page involved, but the GX20-0157-2 (System/370
Extended Architecture Reference Summary) has a section entitled "CODE
ASSIGNMENTS" which put { at 0x8b and } at 0x9b.

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Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

[Mansell, George R.]

In some cases it might be necessary to check the telnet CodePage
setting.


On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 15:31:51 -0500, Mansell, George R.
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>BROWSESYS1.TCPPARMS(TCPCOMMN) - 01.33
> Command ===>
>  CodePage ISO8859-1 IBM-1047   ; Linemode ASCII, EBCDIC code pages
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What are trying to say?

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Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

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>
>Try setting your terminal type in ISPF Settings to '6' = 3278T.
>

Ed -

I don't know how you figure this stuff out, but that did the trick!  
Amazing...!  
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Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

[Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)]

>>People still using the old code page 037 probably see funny looking...
>>
>Gee, I must have missed the memo--I'm still using old code page 037!

Has IBM announces a change from CP037 to CP1047? 

The REXX manual still refers to CP037 as the code page being used.
This concerns only the not sign (¬) which is at x'5F' in CP037 and
at x'B0' in CP1047. 

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Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

[Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)]

>[snip]
>> What am I missing...??
>>   
>
>Try setting your terminal type in ISPF Settings to '6' = 3278T.

Looks just like plain garbage to be. Probably this member has gone
through a couple of code page translations

>From looking at the text I'd say the x'8B's and x'9B's are meant 
to be curly braces. None of the code pages I "know" has them at
those code points. I don't have a clue what the garbage before
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Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

[Edward Jaffe]

Larre Shiller wrote:

Ed -

Gee, I must have missed the memo--I'm still using old code page 037!  I 
changed my PCOM configuration to use code page 1047 and now I get square 
brackets, but something is still not quite right...
  

[snip]

What am I missing...??
  


Try setting your terminal type in ISPF Settings to '6' = 3278T.

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Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

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On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 15:31:51 -0500, Mansell, George R.
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>BROWSESYS1.TCPPARMS(TCPCOMMN) - 01.33
> Command ===>
>  CodePage ISO8859-1 IBM-1047   ; Linemode ASCII, EBCDIC code pages
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>

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Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

[Mansell, George R.]

BROWSESYS1.TCPPARMS(TCPCOMMN) - 01.33
 Command ===>  
  CodePage ISO8859-1 IBM-1047   ; Linemode ASCII, EBCDIC code pages




>
>Ed -
>
>Gee, I must have missed the memo--I'm still using old code page 037!  I
>changed my PCOM configuration to use code page 1047 and now I get square
>brackets, but something is still not quite right...
>
>*[xlabel]  ASAXWC PATTERNSTR=xpatternstr
>*,PATTERNSTRLEN=xpatternstrlen
>*,STRING=xstring
>*,STRINGLEN=xstringlen
>*,ZEROORMORE=xzeroormore
>*,ONECHAR=xonechar
>*   [,DELIMITER=»xdelimiter|LENGTHS_WERE_SETº]
>*   [,WORKAREA=»xworkarea|NO_WORKAREAº]
>*   [,RETCODE=xretcode]
>*   [,PLISTVER=»xplistver|IMPLIED_VERSIONº]
>*  Ð[,MF=S]
>*  Ô[,MF=(L,xmfctrl»,xmfattr|0Dº)]
>*  Ô[,MF=(M,xmfctrl»,COMPLETE|NOCHECKº)]
>*  ¿[,MF=(E,xmfctrl»,COMPLETE|NOCHECKº)]
>
>What am I missing...??
>

The same thing I am since I get see the same results with Vista TN3270.

Those characters are before the brackets are x'AC', x'EB', x'EB' and x'AB'.
The ones near or right before the end brackets are x'9B'.

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Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

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On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 14:52:58 -0500, Mark Zelden 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>The same thing I am since I get see the same results with Vista TN3270.
>
>Those characters are before the brackets are x'AC', x'EB', x'EB' and x'AB'.
>The ones near or right before the end brackets are x'9B'.
>
Good!  At least it's not just me!!

FWIW, the characters to the right of the equal signs (and elsewhere) are x'8B' 
(bracketing the data with the x'9B'--no pun intended, of course).

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Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

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On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 14:29:05 -0500, Larre Shiller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


>
>Ed -
>
>Gee, I must have missed the memo--I'm still using old code page 037!  I
>changed my PCOM configuration to use code page 1047 and now I get square
>brackets, but something is still not quite right...
>
>*[xlabel]  ASAXWC PATTERNSTR=xpatternstr
>*,PATTERNSTRLEN=xpatternstrlen
>*,STRING=xstring
>*,STRINGLEN=xstringlen
>*,ZEROORMORE=xzeroormore
>*,ONECHAR=xonechar
>*   [,DELIMITER=»xdelimiter|LENGTHS_WERE_SETº]
>*   [,WORKAREA=»xworkarea|NO_WORKAREAº]
>*   [,RETCODE=xretcode]
>*   [,PLISTVER=»xplistver|IMPLIED_VERSIONº]
>*  Ð[,MF=S]
>*  Ô[,MF=(L,xmfctrl»,xmfattr|0Dº)]
>*  Ô[,MF=(M,xmfctrl»,COMPLETE|NOCHECKº)]
>*  ¿[,MF=(E,xmfctrl»,COMPLETE|NOCHECKº)]
>
>What am I missing...??
>

The same thing I am since I get see the same results with Vista TN3270.

Those characters are before the brackets are x'AC', x'EB', x'EB' and x'AB'.
The ones near or right before the end brackets are x'9B'.

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Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

[Larre Shiller]

>They are not the same -- especially noticeable when working with square
>bracket characters!
>
>People still using the old code page 037 probably see funny looking
>"garbage" characters in IBM-provided macros and other code. For example,
>SYS1.MODGEN(ASAXWC) contains a syntax diagram that should look like this:
>
>*[xlabel]  ASAXWC PATTERNSTR=xpatternstr
>*   [,DELIMITER={xdelimiter|LENGTHS_WERE_SET}]
>*   [,WORKAREA={xworkarea|NO_WORKAREA}]
>*   [,RETCODE=xretcode]
>*   [,PLISTVER={xplistver|IMPLIED_VERSION}]
>
>What do you see? ;-)
>

Ed -

Gee, I must have missed the memo--I'm still using old code page 037!  I 
changed my PCOM configuration to use code page 1047 and now I get square 
brackets, but something is still not quite right...

*[xlabel]  ASAXWC PATTERNSTR=xpatternstr  
*,PATTERNSTRLEN=xpatternstrlen
*,STRING=xstring  
*,STRINGLEN=xstringlen
*,ZEROORMORE=xzeroormore  
*,ONECHAR=xonechar
*   [,DELIMITER=»xdelimiter|LENGTHS_WERE_SETº]
*   [,WORKAREA=»xworkarea|NO_WORKAREAº]   
*   [,RETCODE=xretcode]   
*   [,PLISTVER=»xplistver|IMPLIED_VERSIONº]   
*  Ð[,MF=S]   
*  Ô[,MF=(L,xmfctrl»,xmfattr|0Dº)]
*  Ô[,MF=(M,xmfctrl»,COMPLETE|NOCHECKº)]  
*  ¿[,MF=(E,xmfctrl»,COMPLETE|NOCHECKº)]  

What am I missing...??

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Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

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Edward Jaffe wrote:

Steve Comstock wrote:

I use Vista also, and I've set the code page to International(Euro)
which includes correct mappings for brackets and the Euro. Tom B.
worked with me to develop this and I'm sure he'd be happy to get
you the updated file. Also, I set my ISPF terminal type as 28 (3278L1)
and ensure that Enable Euro sign is selected on settings.


Are you talking about code page 1148?


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Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

[Edward Jaffe]

Steve Comstock wrote:

I use Vista also, and I've set the code page to International(Euro)
which includes correct mappings for brackets and the Euro. Tom B.
worked with me to develop this and I'm sure he'd be happy to get
you the updated file. Also, I set my ISPF terminal type as 28 (3278L1)
and ensure that Enable Euro sign is selected on settings.


Are you talking about code page 1148?

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Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

[Edward Jaffe]

Mark Zelden wrote:

On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:01:02 -0700, Edward Jaffe
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

I haven't used code page 037 since the mid-1990s. I think just about
everyone here uses 1047.




Are you (and Dave) referring to your 3270 emulator, or ISPF?   


Our ISPF is set at  which means to query the terminal.   I myself
use Vista and "US C Programming", which is 1047.
  


I was referring to the emulator setting. ISPF is set up to get code page 
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Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

[Edward Jaffe]

Lindy Mayfield wrote:

I believe that as far as the MVS side of things go they are the same.  By "MVS 
side" I mean TSO, ISPF, JCL, CLIST, Rexx, etc.  Is that right?
  


They are not the same -- especially noticeable when working with square 
bracket characters!


People still using the old code page 037 probably see funny looking 
"garbage" characters in IBM-provided macros and other code. For example, 
SYS1.MODGEN(ASAXWC) contains a syntax diagram that should look like this:


*[xlabel]  ASAXWC PATTERNSTR=xpatternstr
*   [,DELIMITER={xdelimiter|LENGTHS_WERE_SET}]
*   [,WORKAREA={xworkarea|NO_WORKAREA}]
*   [,RETCODE=xretcode]
*   [,PLISTVER={xplistver|IMPLIED_VERSION}]

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