Re: DB2 Version 8 on a Flex-ES box.
Timothy Sipples wrote: On this general topic, has anyone else priced z800s lately? A z800 ranges from ~40 (smaller than the smallest Multiprise 3000) to ~630 MIPS with 10 capacity settings over 4 engines. Minimum memory is 8 GB. Runs all software (i.e. it's 64-bit). It's even Parallel Sysplex capable. Just for fun I looked up the 1990 (marketing list) price for an ES/9000 Model 120: U.S. $70,500. (That's $104,449 in 2005 U.S. dollars, adjusting for inflation.) That was a 31-bit uniprocessor model (and that's it) with 256 MB maximum memory (the $70,500 didn't get you that :-)) and a maximum of 12 channels. I can't remember if the 120 had LPARs or not, but the z800 has up to 15. Is that a fair hardware price comparison? No, it's not! Compare price per MB/MIPS/whatever for any current machine vs machine from 1990. Surely the difference will be even bigger when we come back to 80's. The only question is why. It's not fair in any sense. Now, we can start never-ending thread: I remember when I sold a car and bought 200MB hard drive. (Feel free, to put here your favorite story about price of 3330, or core memory for S/360.) -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
DB2 Version 8 on a Flex-ES box.
Does anyone have any experience of the above and if so have you noticed any performance degradation because of 64 bit instruction emulation on 32 bit instruction hardware. Better still, can anyone quantify it. Jim McAlpine -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DB2 Version 8 on a Flex-ES box.
In a message dated 12/6/2005 12:42:02 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This also has put small z/OS and z/VM operations into a bind - no place to grow except to higher-priced hardware if they want to go beyond z/OS 1.4 (and z/VM 4.4, I think). Hopefully IBM will take (and is taking) steps to help these customers and that someday, in the near future, something will be announced. AMEN! Seems like they're just killing themselves(and us too) by not having a low end package for development and testing. Most folks will take the path of best ads and convert to something else, whether it's Oracle/Grid or Blade servers. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
DB2 Version 8 on a Flex-ES box.
AMEN! Seems like they're just killing themselves(and us too) by not having a low end package for development and testing. Most folks will take the path of best ads and convert to something else, whether it's Oracle/Grid or Blade servers. There is, of course, a low end package for development and testing - but it's Partnerworld only and not available to real users. I've been arguing with various IBM executives for years that these systems should be available to real users and I've suggested a couple of self-financing ways it could be done. But I'm afraid NIH and the way zSeries executives get paid got in the way. IBM is supposedly producing its own emulation in 2Q06 - recent rumours suggest it will use an iSeries as a host. There are quite a few advantages in doing that - an EBCDIC base for an EBCDIC emulation lets you use, e.g., i5/OS's I/O facilities -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.co.uk +44 7833 654 800 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
DB2 Version 8 on a Flex-ES box.
As an unsollicited follow-up, there seems to be a little more going on. Dr Frank Soltis made some comments at COMMON that don't seem to have been reported in the English language press: http://www.netigator.de/netigator/live/fachartikelarchiv/ha_news/powerslave,id,30572783,obj,CZ,np,archiv,ng,,thes,.html You can wave Babelfish at it if you like. It won't tell you anything more than I posted some months ago in http://www.isham-research.co.uk/mainframe_2008.html - but it's neat to have confirmation. For some unfathomable reason, this story seems to have created waves. -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.co.uk +44 7833 654 800 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DB2 Version 8 on a Flex-ES box.
On this general topic, has anyone else priced z800s lately? A z800 ranges from ~40 (smaller than the smallest Multiprise 3000) to ~630 MIPS with 10 capacity settings over 4 engines. Minimum memory is 8 GB. Runs all software (i.e. it's 64-bit). It's even Parallel Sysplex capable. Just for fun I looked up the 1990 (marketing list) price for an ES/9000 Model 120: U.S. $70,500. (That's $104,449 in 2005 U.S. dollars, adjusting for inflation.) That was a 31-bit uniprocessor model (and that's it) with 256 MB maximum memory (the $70,500 didn't get you that :-)) and a maximum of 12 channels. I can't remember if the 120 had LPARs or not, but the z800 has up to 15. Is that a fair hardware price comparison? - - - - - Timothy F. Sipples Consulting Enterprise Software Architect IBM Americas zSeries/z9 Software Phone: +1 312 529 1612 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
