DCF (was Re: System z10 announcement (in English))

[Roger Bolan]

Would you guys stop talking about DCF (Document Composition Facility, 
5748-XX9) a.k.a. Script in the past tense?   It is still available for 
z/OS, z/VM, and z/VSE. 
http://www.infoprintsolutionscompany.com/internet/wwsites.nsf/vwwebpublished/dcfhome_z_us

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Re: DCF (was Re: System z10 announcement (in English))

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:26:32 -0700, Roger Bolan wrote:

>Would you guys stop talking about DCF (Document Composition Facility,
>5748-XX9) a.k.a. Script in the past tense?   It is still available for
>z/OS, z/VM, and z/VSE.
> http://www.infoprintsolutionscompany.com/internet/wwsites.nsf/vwwebpublished/dcfhome_z_us
>
Alas, whenever I search for a z/Series PoOP online in HTML/Book format
as opposed to PDF, I conclude that some department within IBM thinks
of DCF only in the past tense.  Has PoOP authoring abandoned DCF for
a competing tool?

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Re: DCF (was Re: System z10 announcement (in English))

[Alan Altmark]

On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 21:26:25 -0600, Paul Gilmartin 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Alas, whenever I search for a z/Series PoOP online in HTML/Book format
>as opposed to PDF, I conclude that some department within IBM thinks
>of DCF only in the past tense.  Has PoOP authoring abandoned DCF for
>a competing tool?

I'm not sure why you're tying book format to DCF.   DCF is rarely used with 
System z publications, as book maintenence and formatting were moved to 
workstations years ago.  The tools can produce a variety of output formats, 
depending on the requirement.

Alan Altmark
IBM

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Re: DCF (was Re: System z10 announcement (in English))

[Edward Jaffe]

Alan Altmark wrote:
I'm not sure why you're tying book format to DCF.   DCF is rarely used with 
System z publications, as book maintenence and formatting were moved to 
workstations years ago.  The tools can produce a variety of output formats, 
depending on the requirement.
  


What software do they use?

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Re: DCF (was Re: System z10 announcement (in English))

[Robert Wright]

Edward Jaffe wrote:

What software do they use?


It's a mixture of internal tools and some commercially-available SGML 
workstation products.  I don't think the details are confidential, but I 
don't know them beyond what I just said.  I briefly looked into using 
the "workbench" some time ago.


Bob Wright - MVS Service Aids

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Re: DCF (was Re: System z10 announcement (in English))

[Ed Finnell]

 
In a message dated 3/5/2008 1:17:11 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
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workstation products.  I don't think the details are confidential,  but I 
don't know them beyond what I just said.  I briefly looked into  using 
the "workbench" some time ago.


>>
But isn't the z/OS Book Mangler stuff still in  DCF format and authorizes 
itself for printing? 







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Re: DCF (was Re: System z10 announcement (in English))

[Roger Bolan]

I think you're thinking of the OS/390 Softcopy Print feature. 

While BookManager books can be built from DCF source books, there are 
other flavors of  BookManager Build that I think can build from other 
types of source material. 

The OS/390 Softcopy Print feature, on the other hand, was for printing 
copies of books already in BookManager format and viewed the OS/390 
BookManager Read.   This involved supplying some parts of BookMaster, 
Fonts, PSF, and DCF which could print only the BookManager books without 
being enabled.  This feature was available from OS/390 1.2 (or 1.3 maybe) 
till OS/390 2.10.  The residual effect is that there is still Enablement 
checking which must now be used on DCF, but you no longer get the 
BookManager-only version supplied with the Softcopy Books. The 
Softcopy Print feature was discontinued.  Trying to print from the 
BookManager format was never as good as having the printable format 
supplied as LIST3820, or LISTAFP, or PDF files. 

--Roger 

IBM Mainframe Discussion List  wrote on 03/05/2008 
12:46:32 PM:

> But isn't the z/OS Book Mangler stuff still in  DCF format and 
authorizes 
> itself for printing? 

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Re: DCF (was Re: System z10 announcement (in English))

[Ed Finnell]

 
In a message dated 3/7/2008 12:25:50 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
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being enabled.  This feature was available from OS/390 1.2 (or 1.3  maybe) 
till OS/390 2.10.  The residual effect is that there is still  Enablement 
checking which must now be used on DCF, but you no longer get  the 
BookManager-only version supplied with the Softcopy Books.   The 
Softcopy Print feature was discontinued.  Trying to  print from the 
BookManager format was never as good as having the  printable format 
supplied as LIST3820, or LISTAFP, or PDF files.  

>>
Thanks for the defogger/deicer. Haven't had Book manager  on MVS since 2.10 
exactly. Just runs off the doc server.









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Re: DCF (was Re: System z10 announcement (in English))

[Roger Bolan]

I don't know for sure about that book, but yes, a lot (if not all) of  the 
Information Developers I know now use workstation based tools instead of 
BookMaster and DCF. 

Some Information Development groups don't even produce BookManager format 
output but produce some books in PDF format only now. 

--Roger 

IBM Mainframe Discussion List  wrote on 03/04/2008 
08:26:25 PM:


> Alas, whenever I search for a z/Series PoOP online in HTML/Book format
> as opposed to PDF, I conclude that some department within IBM thinks
> of DCF only in the past tense.  Has PoOP authoring abandoned DCF for
> a competing tool?

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Re: DCF (was Re: System z10 announcement (in English))

[Edward Jaffe]

Roger Bolan wrote:
Some Information Development groups don't even produce BookManager format 
output but produce some books in PDF format only now.
  


Eclipse-based Infocenters are the "in thing" now. It's all XML based.

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Re: DCF (was Re: System z10 announcement (in English))

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
on 03/04/2008
   at 06:26 PM, Roger Bolan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>Would you guys stop talking about DCF (Document Composition Facility, 
>5748-XX9) a.k.a. Script in the past tense?   It is still available for 
>z/OS, z/VM, and z/VSE.

Yes, but aren't DCF, BookMaster and BookManager MVS all functionally
stabilized?
 
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Re: DCF (was Re: System z10 announcement (in English))

[Martin Packer]

That doesn't necessarily make them DEAD. And with B2H there's a certain 
element of continued vitality. Slight,  mind you. :-(

Martin (who uses Bookie and B2H every day)

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Re: DCF (was Re: System z10 announcement (in English))

[Roger Bolan]

I don't really know the answer.  It was always surprising to me that 
BookMaster and BookManager were owned by different functional organization 
than DCF.  I don't support those or know what their official status is. 
For DCF, we do still fix defects.   As far as I know, it is also still 
possible to submit new requirements for DCF.   All requests for new 
function are processed through the marketing people.   I think their 
general mindset is "how many more licenses will it sell" when looking at 
any request for new function.  It's been a long time since we geared up 
for a whole new release, but sometimes a new function was added by an 
individual APAR.  It's been a while since the last one of those too, but 
nobody has told me it's impossible. 

Roger Bolan
Software Engineer

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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
on 03/04/2008
   at 06:26 PM, Roger Bolan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>Would you guys stop talking about DCF (Document Composition Facility, 
>5748-XX9) a.k.a. Script in the past tense?   It is still available for 
>z/OS, z/VM, and z/VSE.

Yes, but aren't DCF, BookMaster and BookManager MVS all functionally
stabilized?
 
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