Re: IBM vs Flex-Es - Why? + ibm-main anamoly

2007-03-26 Thread Steve Comstock

Charles Mills wrote:

My wild guess would be something along the lines of 2 (although I would not
be privy to the information if 1 or 3 were the root cause).

The costs of the FLEX program are obvious: the time of all of the people
involved, and the (theoretical, but very measurable) loss of revenue on VERY
deeply discounted hardware and software.

The benefits are harder to measure: the benefit of having a bunch of small
vendors. 


Perhaps the small vendors are just not strategic to IBM. It's easier to deal
with a modest handful of large players than a passel of large, medium,
small, and tiny players.


This seems to be the case with IBM education; they used to hire
out a variety of instructors as sub-contractors (including yours
truly from time to time). Now they have narrowed the contractors
they deal with to a dozen; if you're a small guy you have to have
an affiliation with one of the dozen; and these guys pay peanuts
and keep the markup.


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Kind regards,


Charles

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Subject: IBM vs Flex-Es - Why?

I do not have any direct stake in the FLEX-ES vs IBM issue, but
I have been surprised that there does not seem to be much speculation
on why IBM is dropping the FLEX-ES connection; just complaints that
they are doing so ... Is the reason only known to a few IBM 
executives?

  .
To fill the void, I offer the following speculative reasons:
  .
1. Complaint: Fundamental Software is doing something that IBM does
not like ... This is probably not the reason, because if it was IBM
would state it.
  .
2. Economic: The IBM bean-counters have made a cold calculation that
they would make more money if Flex-Es was gone. Maybe having a lot 
of developers out there causes competition for IBM tools software(?).
Maybe IBM would make more revenue by forcing at least some of the 
folks who now use Flex-Es to buy 'real' hardware(?).

  .
3. Legal: The IBM lawyers have decided that the company would do 
better in court if they adopt a simple 'no emulation' stance. In that
way they can better confront any attempts by competitors to sell 
emulated mainframes.



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Re: IBM vs Flex-Es - Why? + ibm-main anamoly

2007-03-26 Thread Art Celestini
At 08:53 PM 3/26/2007, Steve Comstock wrote:

This seems to be the case with IBM education; they used to hire
out a variety of instructors as sub-contractors (including yours
truly from time to time). Now they have narrowed the contractors
they deal with to a dozen; if you're a small guy you have to have
an affiliation with one of the dozen; and these guys pay peanuts
and keep the markup.

This happened a few years ago with a contract programming deal I was
considering in Poughkeepsie.  With the middleman in there, the best 
I would wind up with was about 2/3rds my usual rate.  Although it 
would have been a neat project to work on, I had to say, Thanks, 
but no thanks.  

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BTW, has anyone else noticed IBM-main posts coming across
with lots of trailing newlines? At first I thought it might
be the trial version of CA Security Center I'm working with,
but it seems to only be IBM-Main (e.g.: see the end of this
post)

Nothing here.  Maybe it's the input side on your end.




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