ISPF WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)

[Edward E. Jaffe]

Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:


2. Bring WSA back from the dead and fix it.
 



Back from the dead? Not unlike Mark Twain's experience, the rumors of 
WSA's demise were greatly exaggerated. WSA isn't dead. But it's 
astonishing how many people believe that it is.


A rumor got started that Raleigh wanted to stabilize WSA. (BTW, the 
rumor was true. But there's a tremendous difference between wanting to 
do something and actually doing it.) After the product was relocated to 
OZ, the decision was made *not* to stabilize WSA.


In a fairly recent conversation on this subject, the ISPF development 
team in OZ suggested that if I had specific requirements for WSA, they 
would be interested to hear what they were.


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Re: ISPF WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)

[Dave Salt]

From: "Edward E. Jaffe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
the rumors of WSA's demise were greatly exaggerated. WSA isn't dead. But 
it's astonishing how many people believe that it is.


I use the WSA every single day; mostly for transfering files to and from the 
mainframe, but also for browsing/editing/printing/viewing (etc.) mainframes 
files on the PC or PC files on the mainframe. I couldn't live without it, 
and I'm astonished how many people have never used it.


If IBM is taking requirements for WSA, here's one: >>>PLEASE<<< make sure it 
continues to work when the new Windows operating system comes out next 
year!!


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Re: ISPF WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)

[Ted MacNEIL]

>rumors of WSA's demise were greatly exaggerated
...

There was a paper out there a couple of years ago explaining in simple terms 
how to set it up.

I tried it; it worked well until we went DHCP and I couldn't guarantee my PC IP 
address was a constant.

Two questions:
1. Does anybody know of this paper?
2. Is the DHCP address issue resolved?

I liked the working environment, except for a few editing gliches.

Also, it was difficult in Canada to get a version not in French.

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Re: ISPF WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)

[Dave Salt]

From: Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
There was a paper out there a couple of years ago explaining in simple 
terms how to set it (WSA) >up. I tried it; it worked well until we went 
DHCP and I couldn't guarantee my PC IP address was a >constant.


Two questions:
1. Does anybody know of this paper?
2. Is the DHCP address issue resolved?



Ted,

Are you refering to the article I wrote that was published in the Spring 
2004 edition of TSO Times? If so, you can get to it by going to 
http://www.tsotimes.com. Click 'archives' in the top left corner of the web 
page, then click 'The Workstation (WS) Component of ISPF'.


As for constantly changing IP addresses, SimpList has a feature that might 
help. If you initiate any action that requires a workstation connection (for 
example, select a data set for file transfer, or select a member to edit on 
a workstation editor, etc.), SimpList will determine if a workstation 
connection already exists. If it doesn't, SimpList will dynamically 
determine the IP address to connect to (note: this requires a direct 
TSO/Telnet connection). If you don't have a direct TSO/Telnet connection you 
can supply a static IP address. Either way, SimpList will automatically set 
up the workstation connection.


You can also set it up so SimpList will prompt you to supply an IP address. 
No matter how you do it, it makes setting up a workstation connection really 
easy. Plus, once you have a workstation connection set up, SimpList gives 
you a lot more options than those found in native ISPF.


Hope this helps,

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Re: ISPF WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)

[Paul Gilmartin]

In a recent note, Edward E. Jaffe said:

> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 15:19:29 -0700
> 
> In a fairly recent conversation on this subject, the ISPF development
> team in OZ suggested that if I had specific requirements for WSA, they
> would be interested to hear what they were.
> 
Still wondering: is WSA the same as ISPGUI?

A few years ago, trying ISPGUI, I brought up SDSF and typed
one the command line, "BOT&11".  _Then_ I searched for the
ATTN key to exit automatic update.  None.  PMR time.

IBM> You need to set your local keymap to define an ATTN key.

gil> How do I do that?

IBM> Depends on your specific workstation; we can't tell you?

gil> Give me an example for any workstation; I'll adapt it.

IBM> [silence]

... many plies later:

IBM> We agree; it's not possible to enter ATTN from the ISPGUI
 window.  You must press ATTN in the 3270 window from which
 you launched ISPGUI.

gil> I have no 3270 session.

IBM> You must have a 3270 session!?!?!?  How else could you have
 started ISPGUI?

gil> Batch job; IKJEF01.

IBM> WAD; functionally stabilized.  [silence]

So, if WSA is no different from ISPGUI in this respect, or no better,
first requirement:  Provide a working ATTN function in WSA.

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Re: ISPF WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)

[Dave Salt]

From: Paul Gilmartin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Still wondering: is WSA the same as ISPGUI?


No, they're 2 completely different things. ISPGUI requires the WSA, just 
like WordPad requires Windows. But that doesn't make them the same.


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Re: ISPF WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)

[David Andrews]

Dave and Ed make me want to take another look at the WSA (yes, I was one
of those who looked at ISPGUI, said "yuck", and walked away).

Unfortunately, Linux support doesn't appear to be available - not at my
downlevel OS release anyway.  Have they fixed this?

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Re: ISPF WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)

[Dave Salt]

From: David Andrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Dave and Ed make me want to take another look at the WSA (yes, I was one
of those who looked at ISPGUI, said "yuck", and walked away).

Unfortunately, Linux support doesn't appear to be available - not at my
downlevel OS release anyway.  Have they fixed this?


I don't use Linux so I can't answer that question. But, given that IBM has 
said they've not given up on WSA and that they're actively promoting the use 
of Linux you'd think this would give you a reasonable opportunity to ask IBM 
to enhance WSA so it can peacefully co-exist with Linux.


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Re: ISPF WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)

[Big Iron]

You can supply a host name as the target of the GUI. So, if the machine name
of your workstation doesn't change and you use both DHCP & DDNS, then you
don't need to use an IP address. Worked for me, anyway.

  Bill

On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 00:00:00 GMT, Ted MacNEIL
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>rumors of WSA's demise were greatly exaggerated
>...
>
>There was a paper out there a couple of years ago explaining in simple
terms how to set it up.
>
>I tried it; it worked well until we went DHCP and I couldn't guarantee my
PC IP address was a constant.
>
>Two questions:
>1. Does anybody know of this paper?
>2. Is the DHCP address issue resolved?
>
>I liked the working environment, except for a few editing gliches.
>
>Also, it was difficult in Canada to get a version not in French.
>
>-teD
>
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>All others bring data!
> -- W. Edwards Deming
>

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Re: ISPF WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/21/2005
   at 03:19 PM, "Edward E. Jaffe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>Back from the dead? Not unlike Mark Twain's experience, the rumors
>of WSA's demise were greatly exaggerated.

The rumors were that it was functionally stabilized. Given it's
current limitations, that's dead in the context of my message.

>A rumor got started that Raleigh wanted to stabilize WSA. (BTW, the 
>rumor was true. But there's a tremendous difference between wanting
>to  do something and actually doing it.) After the product was
>relocated to  OZ, the decision was made *not* to stabilize WSA.

Are you sure? If so, that's good news.

>In a fairly recent conversation on this subject, the ISPF
>development  team in OZ suggested that if I had specific
>requirements for WSA, they  would be interested to hear what they
>were.

Well, the obvious requirements are

 1. Allow multiline text and block cut&paste operations.

 2. Support WSA on Linux, with C&P interoperability for KDE and GNOME.

 3. ATTN support in WSA client.
 
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Re: ISPF WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)

[Gray Maddry]

I would add support for more PC editors. I don't use the GUI interface, but do 
like to edit on the PC especially for the cut&paste.
My have had problems finding editors that work with WSA. For example a popular 
PC editor Ultraedit won't work.
Gray Maddry

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Well, the obvious requirements are

 1. Allow multiline text and block cut&paste operations.

 2. Support WSA on Linux, with C&P interoperability for KDE and GNOME.

 3. ATTN support in WSA client.
 
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Re: ISPF WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)

[Martin Kline]

> I would add support for more PC editors. I don't use the GUI interface,
> but do like to edit on the PC especially for the cut&paste.

Do any of the PC editors support cutting just selected columns from
multiple lines? For example, on TN3270 I can cut and paste columns 10-20
from rows 2-5, and do NOT get columns 1-9 or beyond column 20 for any line.

When I try this on any of the PC editors I've used, they want to copy
columns 10 through end-of-line from row 2, all of rows 3-4, and columns 1-
20 from row 5. That just never works out too well for my mainframe source
files.

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Re: ISPF WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)

[Edward E. Jaffe]

Martin Kline wrote:


I would add support for more PC editors. I don't use the GUI interface,
but do like to edit on the PC especially for the cut&paste.
   



Do any of the PC editors support cutting just selected columns from
multiple lines? For example, on TN3270 I can cut and paste columns 10-20
from rows 2-5, and do NOT get columns 1-9 or beyond column 20 for any line.
 



Yes! For example, Ultraedit processes columns very well! You can overlay 
or insert, which shifts everything beyond the insertion point 'n' 
positions to the right on each line ( where 'n' is the width of the 
column block being inserted).


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Re: ISPF WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)

[Eric Chevalier]

On 27 Oct 2005 09:03:06 -0700,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin Kline) wrote:

>Do any of the PC editors support cutting just selected columns from
>multiple lines? For example, on TN3270 I can cut and paste columns 10-20
>from rows 2-5, and do NOT get columns 1-9 or beyond column 20 for any line.
>
>When I try this on any of the PC editors I've used, they want to copy
>columns 10 through end-of-line from row 2, all of rows 3-4, and columns 1-
>20 from row 5. That just never works out too well for my mainframe source
>files.

Yes. Emacs has supported "rectangle" selection for years. The old
Codewright editor (lately from Borland) also supported "block" cut, copy
and paste. I'm sure that these are not the only two PC-based editors
supporting this type of feature.

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Re: ISPF WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)

[Ed Finnell]

 
In a message dated 10/27/2005 11:03:28 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

When I  try this on any of the PC editors I've used, they want to copy
columns 10  through end-of-line from row 2, all of rows 3-4, and columns 1-
20 from row  5. That just never works out too well for my mainframe  source
files.



>>
KEDIT has block commands if you can remember the  keystrokes. 

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Re: ISPF WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)

[Gray Maddry]

That kind of cutting is sometimes called block or column mode and many PC 
editors support that. Ultraedit, ConText, Crimson Editor
to name three.


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> I would add support for more PC editors. I don't use the GUI interface,
> but do like to edit on the PC especially for the cut&paste.

Do any of the PC editors support cutting just selected columns from
multiple lines? For example, on TN3270 I can cut and paste columns 10-20
from rows 2-5, and do NOT get columns 1-9 or beyond column 20 for any line.

When I try this on any of the PC editors I've used, they want to copy
columns 10 through end-of-line from row 2, all of rows 3-4, and columns 1-
20 from row 5. That just never works out too well for my mainframe source
files.

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Re: ISPF WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)

[Phil Smith III]

Gray Maddry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>That kind of cutting is sometimes called block or column mode and many PC 
>editors support that. Ultraedit, ConText, Crimson Editor to name three.

And Kedit, which is a CMS XEDIT clone and is thus a lot closer to ISPF than 
most (and is highly customizable).

www.kedit.com.

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Re: ISPF WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on
10/28/2005
   at 07:17 AM, Phil Smith III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>And Kedit, which is a CMS XEDIT clone

No, it's missing key pieces of XEDIT.
 
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