Re: Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010g.html#25 Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010g.html#27 Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010g.html#28 Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010g.html#32 Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010g.html#35 Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe IBM responds to Oracle's Exadata with new systems http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9174967/IBM_responds_to_Oracle_s_Exadata_with_new_systems from above: IBM on Wednesday announced a new range of integrated systems for large-scale data analysis, mounting a fresh challenge to rival Oracle's Exadata platform. The offerings include the pureScale Application System as well as Smart Analysis ... snip ... related references from last year: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#43 From The Annals of Release No Software Before Its Time http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#46 From The Annals of Release No Software Before Its Time http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#49 big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#54 big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers referencing DB2 announces technology that trumps Oracle RAC and Exadata http://freedb2.com/2009/10/10/for-databases-size-does-matter/ and IBM pureScale Technology Redefines Transaction Processing Economics. New DB2 Feature Sets the Bar for System Performance on More than 100 IBM Power Systems http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/28593.wss -- 42yrs virtualization experience (since Jan68), online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010g.html#25 Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010g.html#27 Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010g.html#28 Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe Intel launches Xeon 7500 server processor lineup; Promises three times increase in processing speed and 20 new reliability features http://www.cbronline.com/news/intel_launches_xeon_7500_server_processor_lineup_100331 from above: The new processor possess Machine Check Architecture (MCA) Recovery feature currently used in Itanium and RISC processors that allows the silicon to work with the operating system and virtual machine manager to recover from otherwise fatal system errors. ... snip ... note that in the 80s ... one of the reasons for various ports of UNIX (or unix-like) operating systems to mainframe continued to be run under vm370 ... was that that adding mainframe RAS was several times larger effort than the straight-forward port (instead relying on vm370 to provide the RAS, both processor and device). possibly some amount of that has since migrated to service processor ... possibly allowing such ports to be more comfortable executing in an LPAR (rather than requiring execution under z/VM). old posts about getting to play disk engineer in bldgs. 1415 ... and doing a bullet proof I/O supervisor for them that would never fail (i.e. they had tried MVS and found MVS had 15min MTBF in their environment, once having referenced that in an internal document then brought down the wrath of MVS organization on my head) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#disk prior to the fail-proof I/O supervisor they had scheduled dedicated mainframe testing time ... typically around the clock ... a major development bottlenet. after the fail-proof I/O supervisor ... they could do any number of on-demand concurrent testing ... significantly improving productivity. -- 42yrs virtualization experience (since Jan68), online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010g.html#25 Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010g.html#27 Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010g.html#28 Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010g.html#32 Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe IBM goes elephant with Nehalem-EX iron; Massive memory for racks and blades http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/01/ibm_xeon_7500_servers/ from above: With so much of its money and profits coming from big Power and mainframe servers, you can bet that IBM is not exactly enthusiastic about the advent of the eight-core Nehalem-EX Xeon 7500 processors from Intel and their ability to link up to eight sockets together in a single system image. But IBM can't let other server makers own this space either, so it had to make some tough choices. ... snip ... -- 42yrs virtualization experience (since Jan68), online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe
Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe http://www.internetnews.com/hardware/article.php/3873896/Intel+NehalemEX+Aims+for+the+Mainframe.htm from above: Intel, the world's largest chipmaker, is gunning for the mission-critical server space with the launch of the new Xeon 6500/7500 processor lines. It's a bid that will see it taking on mainframes and RISC, but the company says that its newest offerings have the goods. ... snip ... semi-related to earlier posts about Gulftown 370 mips on intel platform http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#71 Entry point for a Mainframe? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#72 Entry point for a Mainframe? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#16 What was the historical price of a P/390? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#32 history of RPG and other languages, was search engine history http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#78 Notes on two presentations by Gordon Bell ca. 1998 -- 42yrs virtualization experience (since Jan68), online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe
Simple questioncan it run Z/OS ?? From: Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 03/31/2010 10:13 AM Subject: Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe http://www.internetnews.com/hardware/article.php/3873896/Intel+NehalemEX+Aims+for+the+Mainframe.htm from above: Intel, the world's largest chipmaker, is gunning for the mission-critical server space with the launch of the new Xeon 6500/7500 processor lines. It's a bid that will see it taking on mainframes and RISC, but the company says that its newest offerings have the goods. ... snip ... semi-related to earlier posts about Gulftown 370 mips on intel platform http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#71 Entry point for a Mainframe? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#72 Entry point for a Mainframe? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#16 What was the historical price of a P/390? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#32 history of RPG and other languages, was search engine history http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#78 Notes on two presentations by Gordon Bell ca. 1998 -- 42yrs virtualization experience (since Jan68), online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Email Disclaimer This E-mail contains confidential information belonging to the sender, which may be legally privileged information. This information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity addressed above. If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of the E-mail or attached files is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Wells Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 10:15 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe Simple questioncan it run Z/OS ?? Do you mean __legally__??? -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe
naturally yessince this is public... so...can it z/OS or z/VM ...legal or not From: McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 03/31/2010 10:58 AM Subject: Re: Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Wells Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 10:15 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe Simple questioncan it run Z/OS ?? Do you mean __legally__??? -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Email Disclaimer This E-mail contains confidential information belonging to the sender, which may be legally privileged information. This information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity addressed above. If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of the E-mail or attached files is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe
Heard that one before from various vendors HP, Sun, DEC, STK (before they were Oracle/SUN). No one has yet delivered. What makes anyone think Intel can pull it off, where HP, Sun, STK... couldn't snip from above: Intel, the world's largest chipmaker, is gunning for the mission-critical server space with the launch of the new Xeon 6500/7500 processor lines. It's a bid that will see it taking on mainframes and RISC, but the company says that its newest offerings have the goods. /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe
Easy answer to that - because Intel (and the drive-by/airline magazine media) says it can... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Staller, Allan Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 12:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe Heard that one before from various vendors HP, Sun, DEC, STK (before they were Oracle/SUN). No one has yet delivered. What makes anyone think Intel can pull it off, where HP, Sun, STK... couldn't snip from above: Intel, the world's largest chipmaker, is gunning for the mission-critical server space with the launch of the new Xeon 6500/7500 processor lines. It's a bid that will see it taking on mainframes and RISC, but the company says that its newest offerings have the goods. /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Staller, Allan Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 12:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe Heard that one before from various vendors HP, Sun, DEC, STK (before they were Oracle/SUN). No one has yet delivered. What makes anyone think Intel can pull it off, where HP, Sun, STK... couldn't From what I could gather, this new machine is basically an x64 with improved RAS features. They didn't go into much detail other than a vague statement about new features which, along with software support, allow for recovery from error which currently cause an outage. So, it takes on the mainframe by supposedly having equal RAS features while running Windows / Linux / whatever. Linux, maybe. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe
On 31 Mar 2010 10:19:25 -0700, allan.stal...@kbm1.com (Staller, Allan) wrote: Heard that one before from various vendors HP, Sun, DEC, STK (before they were Oracle/SUN). No one has yet delivered. What makes anyone think Intel can pull it off, where HP, Sun, STK... couldn't snip from above: Intel, the world's largest chipmaker, is gunning for the mission-critical server space with the launch of the new Xeon 6500/7500 processor lines. It's a bid that will see it taking on mainframes and RISC, but the company says that its newest offerings have the goods. For various values of pull it off, other manufacturers *have* succeeded.There are companies running their old mission critical mainframe applications on Suns.Capabilities go up for IBM and for its competing hardware, and good enough varies considerably for different customers. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010g.html#24 Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe aside from possibility of running some sort of mainframe emulator Intel's Xeon 7500 Series Could Be a Server Game-Changer http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20100331/bs_nf/72503 from above: make it possible for IT managers to consolidate up to 20 older single-core, four-chip servers onto a single server while maintaining the same level of performance. That, Intel said, could mean up to a 92 percent reduction in energy costs and a one-year ROI due to reductions in power, cooling and licensing costs. ... snip ... the above article uses the phrase democratizing high-end computing ... when it possibly actually means (further) commoditizing it doesn't mention virtualization-based server consolidation of possibly another 10:1 (for 200:1?). AMD is also touting 12-core chip ... as licensing cost savings ... aka licensing costs based on number of physical chips ... as opposed to aggregate number of processor cores. -- 42yrs virtualization experience (since Jan68), online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe
Howard Brazee howard.bra...@cusys.edu writes: For various values of pull it off, other manufacturers *have* succeeded.There are companies running their old mission critical mainframe applications on Suns.Capabilities go up for IBM and for its competing hardware, and good enough varies considerably for different customers. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010g.html#24 Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010g.html#27 Intel Nehalem-EX Aims for the Mainframe jim's '84 fault tolerant study pointed out that hardware was becoming increasingly smaller smaller percentage of the failures http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/graft84.pdf similar thread with various references: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#0 big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers which has citation for another paper Jim did on failures Why Do Computers Stop and What Can Be Done About It? http://www.hpl.hp.com/techreports/tandem/TR-85.7.pdf from above: An analysis of the failure statistics of a commercially available fault-tolerant system shows that administration and software are the major contributors to failure. ... snip ... fall-over hot-standby have been used to mask hardware and software failures as well as other kinds of planned unplanned outages (like for maintenance) ... which are largely software-based RAS in this recent post http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#2 Entry point for a Mainframe? I mentioned that IMS hot-standby was looking at the alternative solution to compensate for VTAM restart on the hot-standby machine taking periods measured in hrs (for large configuration). -- 42yrs virtualization experience (since Jan68), online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
