Is there a Web enabled TN3270 on z/10's running z/OS 1.9
Hi Cynthia, Under the web-enabled heading are a several solutions that provide TN3270 emulator, or emulator-like access to Z. IBM does not ship one with Z but has Host on Demand and HATS. Since you are going to replace a real emulator with a web-enabled one, opt for a product that downloads a client to the PC and runs it either inside the browser or as a separate window. There are a variety of ActiveX, Java, and Win32 web-enabled terminal emulators on the market that run directly from the Z/OS HTTP server. Some require the Web Sphere Application Server, while others will run from the Z/OS HTTP server, and do not require an application server. HTML emulators are not really suitable as a general emulator replacement, but are geared more toward casual use, anonymous use, or as the basis for GUI web enablement. Heads-down emulator users will find the HTML emulator too slow and that it operates differently from a real emulator. HTML emulators have their place, but not as an overall replacement for Aviva. Your Aviva users will probably expect a high level of functionality in any replacement you choose. Depending on the size of your organization, there may be some custom applications, macros, scripts, and other automation that have become part of daily operations. These will have to be migrated to the new solution to minimize the impact on the users. The migration also provides an opportunity to get these unmanaged or ad hoc processes under control and centrally managed. Good Luck. Steve Bireley VP BlueZone Product Development Rocket Software www.bluezonesoftware.com Emulation, Integration, File Transfer BlueZone Secure FTP is Free -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there a Web enabled TN3270 on z/10's running z/OS 1.9
Although not an answer (I would also suggest something like HOD or HATS) but some years ago Netscape actually packaged 3270 into their Communicator so you can access 3270 sessions via the browser. Basically just a 3270 session in a browser, no transformations, etc. This would be a nice idea for a Firefox plugin so that you could have multiple sessions to tab between but running in your browser (which you can do with the aforementioned products anyway.) http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104STORY=/www/story/66989EDATE= http://sillydog.org/netscape/communicator/guide/IBMHostOnDemand.php Seb. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there a Web enabled TN3270 on z/10's running z/OS 1.9
Our Windows Server Team is looking for alternatives to our current Aviva solution. Other than using a different tn3270 client application. Does anyone have any suggestions or know of anything on z10's? Not sure if the direction is to run this through an application which would use TN3270 (say CICS) and have it accessible using a Browser. In general HOD is just a 3270 emulator which requires the download of a small JAVA applet to the user's PC. Keep in mind all the emulators do the 3270 data stream conversion to HTML in the PC and HTML to 3270 DataStream. Thus some are called FAT-Clients or maybe HOD could be called a Skinny-Client but the conversion happens at the PC level. If all the users are internal, then it may not be a problem of loading software. If users are external, some do not appreciate their PC being updated with software. In general there was a requirement for outside entities to access systems and the HATS product was chosen. There are samples included and in less than 3 weeks, there was a WEB-like application in production with the only requirement on the end user of having a Browser. If one uses HATS, you have to be running Websphere Application Server either on z/OS, zLinux, or Windows (maybe Linux on Intel). The backend 3270 screens stay the same and the HATS application runs as a JAVA Plug-in with WAS to do the conversion of the 3270 datastream to HTML. Another aspect to keep in mind is how these are development and the need to buy tools. Buying HATS gives you a number of copies of Rational Application Developer to be used exclusively for HATS development. Then one has to buy HIS (Host Information Services) licenses (consists of a license for a user to use HATS, HOD or PCOM). Buying say 500 licenses gets you 5 RAD for HATS development for free. In general there are other vendors software to do the same kind of things. I would definitely ask about having to buy the tools to develop the applications. In the end, the 3270 green screens have not been altered, the HATS screens appear to be a true WEBApp and 99% of the users do not know this is coming from the IBM Enterprise Server (mainframe app of old). In most cases, only the needed information has been taken from the green screen and presented on the web page along with logos, pulldowns, lists, etc. I am told if you can code WORD Style Sheets, then HATS is a breeze. Oh yes, in HATS 7.5 and the new RAD, you can send the green screen to a cellphone. RAD has the development area for ensuring the Webpage will fit onto a cellphone. Have yet to explore that aspect yet, although it sounds like in some cases a CICS application may be needed to interact with one of the users locally as they are riding home on the Metro train. jim -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Is there a Web enabled TN3270 on z/10's running z/OS 1.9
Our Windows Server Team is looking for alternatives to our current Aviva solution. Other than using a different tn3270 client application. Does anyone have any suggestions or know of anything on z10's? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there a Web enabled TN3270 on z/10's running z/OS 1.9
On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 10:24 -0400, Cynthia Davis wrote: Our Windows Server Team is looking for alternatives to our current Aviva solution. Other than using a different tn3270 client application. Does anyone have any suggestions or know of anything on z10's? Maybe http://h3270.sourceforge.net might be worth looking at? It requires tomcat, which your friends at Dovetailed Technologies seem to think is do-able on z/OS. Let us know if you get this going. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there a Web enabled TN3270 on z/10's running z/OS 1.9
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:24:46 -0700, Cynthia Davis wrote: Our Windows Server Team is looking for alternatives to our current Aviva solution. Other than using a different tn3270 client application. Does anyone have any suggestions or know of anything on z10's? What do you mean by web-enabled TN3270? Perhaps if you could provide more information about your requirements we could offer better advice. It is not at all clear what this has to do with your Windows server team. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there a Web enabled TN3270 on z/10's running z/OS 1.9
The Windows Server Team currently owns the AVIVA application running on Windows 2000 that allows us to get a TN3270 screen from the web. They are looking at other options and wanted to know if there was an option on the z/10's to allow someone to come in from the web and get a TN3270 screen or did they need to search outside of the mainframe platform. From: Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:43:00 AM Subject: Re: Is there a Web enabled TN3270 on z/10's running z/OS 1.9 On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:24:46 -0700, Cynthia Davis wrote: Our Windows Server Team is looking for alternatives to our current Aviva solution. Other than using a different tn3270 client application. Does anyone have any suggestions or know of anything on z10's? What do you mean by web-enabled TN3270? Perhaps if you could provide more information about your requirements we could offer better advice. It is not at all clear what this has to do with your Windows server team. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there a Web enabled TN3270 on z/10's running z/OS 1.9
We use HOD but not Linux, I would guess it uses the USS side of z/OS. EdP Rich Smrcina rsmrc...@wi.rr.com Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 03/17/2009 03:20 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: Is there a Web enabled TN3270 on z/10's running z/OS 1.9 The previously mentioned h3270 is an open source solution. IBM provides WebSphere Host-on-Demand, which runs on Linux for System z (among others). Cynthia Davis wrote: The Windows Server Team currently owns the AVIVA application running on Windows 2000 that allows us to get a TN3270 screen from the web. They are looking at other options and wanted to know if there was an option on the z/10's to allow someone to come in from the web and get a TN3270 screen or did they need to search outside of the mainframe platform. Notice: This communication, including any attachments, is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This communication may contain information that is protected from disclosure under State and/or Federal law. Please notify the sender immediately if you have received this communication in error and delete this email from your system. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested not to disclose, copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on the contents of this information. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there a Web enabled TN3270 on z/10's running z/OS 1.9
I think they are looking for a z/os based web server that uses an ordinary browser as a client. Cool idea, but I don't think one exists at this time. Most all of the product's I've seen are all PC based such as IBM's Host on Demand, one of the Bluezone products , or some such. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Cynthia Davis Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:13 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Is there a Web enabled TN3270 on z/10's running z/OS 1.9 The Windows Server Team currently owns the AVIVA application running on Windows 2000 that allows us to get a TN3270 screen from the web. They are looking at other options and wanted to know if there was an option on the z/10's to allow someone to come in from the web and get a TN3270 screen or did they need to search outside of the mainframe platform. From: Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:43:00 AM Subject: Re: Is there a Web enabled TN3270 on z/10's running z/OS 1.9 On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:24:46 -0700, Cynthia Davis wrote: Our Windows Server Team is looking for alternatives to our current Aviva solution. Other than using a different tn3270 client application. Does anyone have any suggestions or know of anything on z10's? What do you mean by web-enabled TN3270? Perhaps if you could provide more information about your requirements we could offer better advice. It is not at all clear what this has to do with your Windows server team. -- Tom Marchant NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there a Web enabled TN3270 on z/10's running z/OS 1.9
The previously mentioned h3270 is an open source solution. IBM provides WebSphere Host-on-Demand, which runs on Linux for System z (among others). Cynthia Davis wrote: The Windows Server Team currently owns the AVIVA application running on Windows 2000 that allows us to get a TN3270 screen from the web. They are looking at other options and wanted to know if there was an option on the z/10's to allow someone to come in from the web and get a TN3270 screen or did they need to search outside of the mainframe platform. From: Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:43:00 AM Subject: Re: Is there a Web enabled TN3270 on z/10's running z/OS 1.9 On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:24:46 -0700, Cynthia Davis wrote: Our Windows Server Team is looking for alternatives to our current Aviva solution. Other than using a different tn3270 client application. Does anyone have any suggestions or know of anything on z10's? What do you mean by web-enabled TN3270? Perhaps if you could provide more information about your requirements we could offer better advice. It is not at all clear what this has to do with your Windows server team. -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2009 - Orlando, FL - May 15-19, 2009 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there a Web enabled TN3270 on z/10's running z/OS 1.9
Hal Merritt wrote: I think they are looking for a z/os based web server that uses an ordinary browser as a client. Cool idea, but I don't think one exists at this time. Most all of the product's I've seen are all PC based such as IBM's Host on Demand, one of the Bluezone products , or some such. Sorry, I clearly missed the z/OS requirement. If they could get h3270 to build/work that would probably be the closest they could get. -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2009 - Orlando, FL - May 15-19, 2009 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there a Web enabled TN3270 on z/10's running z/OS 1.9
I don't believe that Host on Demand (HOD) is PC based. EdP Hal Merritt hmerr...@jackhenry.com Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 03/17/2009 03:29 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: Is there a Web enabled TN3270 on z/10's running z/OS 1.9 I think they are looking for a z/os based web server that uses an ordinary browser as a client. Cool idea, but I don't think one exists at this time. Most all of the product's I've seen are all PC based such as IBM's Host on Demand, one of the Bluezone products , or some such. Notice: This communication, including any attachments, is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This communication may contain information that is protected from disclosure under State and/or Federal law. Please notify the sender immediately if you have received this communication in error and delete this email from your system. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested not to disclose, copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on the contents of this information. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there a Web enabled TN3270 on z/10's running z/OS 1.9
I don't believe that Host on Demand (HOD) is PC based. It's not. It's on the mainframe. It downloads a JAVA applet to your PC, so the browser can talk to z/OS. Under OS/390, it was free. It's not now. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there a Web enabled TN3270 on z/10's running z/OS 1.9
HATS runs in WAS and can provide a 3270 session from any supported browser. Just one very minor capability. Thanks, Tony Duong Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Ed Philbrook ephilbr...@osc.state.ny.us Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:40:36 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Is there a Web enabled TN3270 on z/10's running z/OS 1.9 I don't believe that Host on Demand (HOD) is PC based. EdP Hal Merritt hmerr...@jackhenry.com Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 03/17/2009 03:29 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: Is there a Web enabled TN3270 on z/10's running z/OS 1.9 I think they are looking for a z/os based web server that uses an ordinary browser as a client. Cool idea, but I don't think one exists at this time. Most all of the product's I've seen are all PC based such as IBM's Host on Demand, one of the Bluezone products , or some such. Notice: This communication, including any attachments, is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This communication may contain information that is protected from disclosure under State and/or Federal law. Please notify the sender immediately if you have received this communication in error and delete this email from your system. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested not to disclose, copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on the contents of this information. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there a Web enabled TN3270 on z/10's running z/OS 1.9
Our product, z/Web-Host, runs as a started task natively on z/OS, with our own Web Server and serves 3270 pages to the browser directly, either automatically with no customization, or customized to look like a fully-functional Web page. More information can be found at http://illustro.com/zwebhost. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ed Philbrook Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Is there a Web enabled TN3270 on z/10's running z/OS 1.9 I don't believe that Host on Demand (HOD) is PC based. EdP Hal Merritt hmerr...@jackhenry.com Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 03/17/2009 03:29 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: Is there a Web enabled TN3270 on z/10's running z/OS 1.9 I think they are looking for a z/os based web server that uses an ordinary browser as a client. Cool idea, but I don't think one exists at this time. Most all of the product's I've seen are all PC based such as IBM's Host on Demand, one of the Bluezone products , or some such. Notice: This communication, including any attachments, is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This communication may contain information that is protected from disclosure under State and/or Federal law. Please notify the sender immediately if you have received this communication in error and delete this email from your system. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested not to disclose, copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on the contents of this information. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there a Web enabled TN3270 on z/10's running z/OS 1.9
My guess is this original poster is working with people who manage a gateway, firewall, network protocol handler, or something like that. So they're fundamentally asking about the network protocol(s) involved in the mainframe connection, and how to continue to support them (or an alternative) with the replacement of the Windows 2000 server. Also, it sounds like they'd like what's called a 2-tier architecture: mainframe direct to (browser) client. (Good idea.) As previously mentioned, you could use something like WebSphere (or Rational) Host On-Demand (HOD). You install the product on any Web server, including z/OS. (And z/OS really is the best place to install it for access to z/OS.) It uses either the IBM HTTP Server Version 5.3 for z/OS or the new Version 7 server, your choice, both no additional charge. (The latter is orderable in the Ported Tools for z/OS.) And the HTTP Server serves up Web pages containing Java applets (HOD applets) to your Web browser. If your Web browser has previously cached these applets -- and there is an HOD option to permanently cache them -- then the HTTP conversation is very short and quick indeed. Once the Java applets start they connect to your mainframe per normal TN3270E protocol, directly. (There is an option to tunnel through certain types of proxy servers, although only certain types of proxy servers will route TN3270E.) Host On-Demand also supports other connection types, like ordinary Telnet, TN5250E, SSH, FTP, Secure FTP, FTPS, etc. So, if there is something blocking these connections to your mainframe, you'd need to find a way to get them unblocked or design a network architecture that handles them. (A VPN, for example.) Long discussion follows at that point Please note that I can't think of good reason to encrypt (HTTPS) the HTTP connection for fetching Host On-Demand. All you'd be preventing is wire interception of a commercially available software product. In other words, you'd be encrypting content that's not a secret. While that's noble, and IBM would thank you, it's superfluous. The TN3270E connection is the one where you should focus your security considerations, not the HTTP connection that merely delivers HOD applets to the browser. Also, there is an optional HOD capability to log onto a very optional HOD started task in order to fetch session preferences from the HOD server, and that logon communication uses its own port. Most people don't use this feature, and I'm inclined to agree with their reasoning. There are other ways to support roaming preferences, which is what this does. Also as mentioned in this thread, WebSphere (or Rational) Host Access Transformation Services (HATS) does many things, but among its talents is to take any arbitrary TN3270E data stream thrown at it and convert it to HTML, on the fly, for Web browser users. You can even make that HTML look exactly like green-on-black -- just start with the ClassicTerminal template. And hotkeys work, too, thanks to Javascript (not Java -- HATS does not require the browser to have a Java plug-in). You can install HATS directly on z/OS. (It runs in WebSphere Application Server for z/OS.) More precisely, you create your desired HATS application on a PC (using the HATS Studio), to choose your preferred appearance(s) and whatnot. Then the HATS Studio generates a single, self-contained application package that you then deploy to WebSphere, with no prerequisites except WebSphere. (Of course you can test on the PC's little WebSphere before deploying.) So it's all very simple. Since the only protocol flow between the browser and WebSphere Application Server is HTTP (or HTTPS -- with HATS that often makes sense), it's quite tolerant of hostile firewalls, proxy servers, etc. It's just like any other Web site. The downsize is that it won't do things like end-user keyboard remapping, end-user written macros, etc. -- the sort of things a power terminal emulator user might enjoy. Also, you get Web-like response, so when you hit Enter (or a function key) you might wait a little longer for the next screen. So I wouldn't necessarily recommend it for, say, high performance call center users where each second is critical. It's very common to offer both HOD and HATS to users, from a common Web page. Users who prefer HOD can choose link #1, and users who prefer HATS (or need it for network reasons) can choose link #2. IBM sells HOD and HATS together in something called the Host Integration Solution (HIS) to facilitate this single license. There are other products from other vendors in both categories (the HOD and HATS categories). Although I happen to think HOD and HATS are both wonderful and best-in-class, of course any reasonable person would compare alternatives. The solutions will generally split along some clear lines. For example, not all the solutions can be 100% z/OS hosted. (HOD and HATS both can. Moreover, HATS is highly zAAP-eligible. HOD is simple HTTP file delivery -- straight up I/O -- once
