Re: Marketing ploy by IBM

2008-09-25 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>The e-mail point-blank tells us that the information is lifted straight from 
>the redbook.  

Okay!
I didn't see/notice that.
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Re: Marketing ploy by IBM

2008-09-25 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
Sorry, but I don't really see the dishonesty in this "marketing ploy".
The e-mail point-blank tells us that the information is lifted straight
from the redbook.  

Not to pick on you specifically, Ted, because there have been several
people complaining on the list about how underhanded this whole thing
is.  Yours just happened to be the latest one before I decided to put my
2 cents worth in.

Rex

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>All that I have seen have 'opt out' check boxes. >Perhaps marketing
still gets some intelligence by interest levels, but I don't see any
harm in that.  

The real dishonesty is pointing to excerpts from existing RedBooks!

If it were something new, it would be a good thing.
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Re: Marketing ploy by IBM

2008-09-25 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>All that I have seen have 'opt out' check boxes. >Perhaps marketing still gets 
>some intelligence by interest levels, but I don't see any harm in that.  

The real dishonesty is pointing to excerpts from existing RedBooks!

If it were something new, it would be a good thing.
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Re: Marketing ploy by IBM

2008-09-25 Thread Hal Merritt
All that I have seen have 'opt out' check boxes. Perhaps marketing still gets 
some intelligence by interest levels, but I don't see any harm in that.  

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I just got a notification from IBM called:  White paper: Pinpointing 
IPL-related tasks for automation

So I had to supply my information, name, rank, serial number,

Just to find out that it is a couple fo chapters from the ABCs of z/OS System
Programming Volume 2

So if you get this notification, you could just download the Vol2 and not 
provide your name to IBM marketing staff.

Lizette

 

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Re: Marketing ploy by IBM

2008-09-25 Thread Edward Jaffe

Lizette Koehler wrote:

I just got a notification from IBM called:  White paper: Pinpointing 
IPL-related tasks for automation

So I had to supply my information, name, rank, serial number,

Just to find out that it is a couple fo chapters from the ABCs of z/OS System
Programming Volume 2

So if you get this notification, you could just download the Vol2 and not 
provide your name to IBM marketing staff.
  


These marketing gimmicks from IBM come every month masked as "white 
papers", "best practices", and such. The last time this was discussed on 
IBM-MAIN was June 2008 when Gary Green was conned by IBM into publicly 
posting the registration link to the list. My approach to this hasn't 
changed: 
http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0806&L=ibm-main&P=R45363&I=1&X=-


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Marketing ploy by IBM

2008-09-25 Thread Lizette Koehler
I just got a notification from IBM called:  White paper: Pinpointing 
IPL-related tasks for automation

So I had to supply my information, name, rank, serial number,

Just to find out that it is a couple fo chapters from the ABCs of z/OS System
Programming Volume 2

So if you get this notification, you could just download the Vol2 and not 
provide your name to IBM marketing staff.

Lizette

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