Re: Neon's zPrime - IBM response from July 10
If you are thinking of trialling zPrime, and are running z/OS 1.7, make sure you've applied the JBB772S package, even if you don't already have zIIPs. Results are, um, interesting, if you don't have it applied :) Regards Paul -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld Sent: 23 July 2009 22:55 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Neon's zPrime - IBM response from July 10 I just commented about the MCMG meeting that I attended last Friday. On the ziip and zaap session that Al Sherkow gave, he talked quite a bit about the zPrime product, as several people there had seen the discussion on IBM-Main. He didn't have any knowledge (or at least he said he didn't) about what IBM was going to do about it, but it looks like the link below gives IBM's response. I'm really curious how this plays out. Is IBM going to charge you for stuff you run on your ziip that zPrime routed there, or are they going to let it slide to try to gain marketshare? Or, something totally different? Is anyone running zPrime yet? I suspect if you are, you are sworn to secrecy. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 ___ Atos Origin and Atos Consulting are trading names used by the Atos Origin group. The following trading entities are registered in England and Wales: Atos Origin IT Services UK Limited (registered number 01245534) and Atos Consulting Limited (registered number 04312380). The registered office for each is at 4 Triton Square, Regents Place, London, NW1 3HG.The VAT No. for each is: GB232327983 This e-mail and the documents attached are confidential and intended solely for the addressee, and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you receive this e-mail in error, you are not authorised to copy, disclose, use or retain it. Please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your systems. As emails may be intercepted, amended or lost, they are not secure. Atos Origin therefore can accept no liability for any errors or their content. Although Atos Origin endeavours to maintain a virus-free network, we do not warrant that this transmission is virus-free and can accept no liability for any damages resulting from any virus transmitted. The risks are deemed to be accepted by everyone who communicates with Atos Origin by email. ___ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Neon's zPrime - IBM response from July 10
PSI had a potential copyright violation. NEON in not violating copyright, but may be causing customers to violate license agreements. Big difference. IBM goes after company (PSI) or IBMs own customer base that is using zPrime. Dennis Roach GHG Corporation Lockheed Martin Mission Services Facilities Design and Operations Contract NASA/JSC Address: 2100 Space Park Drive LM-15-4BH Houston, Texas 77058 Mail: P.O. Box 58487 Mail Code H4C Houston, Texas 77258 Phone: Voice: (281)336-5027 Cell: (713)591-1059 Fax:(281)336-5410 E-Mail: dennis.ro...@lmco.com All opinions expressed by me are mine and may not agree with my employer or any person, company, or thing, living or dead, on or near this or any other planet, moon, asteroid, or other spatial object, natural or manufactured, since the beginning of time. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 7:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Neon's zPrime - IBM response from July 10 P S wrote: My SWAG: This is NEON's way of getting IBM to buy them, to put them out of their misery, a la PSI. That might be their objective. If so, it's a failed strategy. IBM knows that many ISVs figured out long ago how to enable 3rd-party code to run on zAAP/zIIP. (A fun exercise.) If IBM bought NEON (or zPrime) to keep a lid on things, another zPrime-like product would appear soon thereafter, and then another, and another. There is no way IBM could buy them all. Even if they could, it seems unlikely they would put themselves in such a vulnerable position. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Neon's zPrime - IBM response from July 10
If you want IBM's initial response to zPrime, ask your IBM business partner. You can get a letter written by Mark Anzani (IBM VP and CTO, System z) dated July 10. Paragraph 4 and 5 lay out their position. Seems like IBM thinks you might owe them more money not less if you implement zPrime. Not sure if this is just FUD or not, but sounds reasonable. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Neon's zPrime - IBM response from July 10
Found this on the web http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/mainframe-blog/ibm-warns-custo mers-about-neons-zprime/ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of JE Thinnes Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 3:00 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: [IBM-MAIN] Neon's zPrime - IBM response from July 10 If you want IBM's initial response to zPrime, ask your IBM business partner. You can get a letter written by Mark Anzani (IBM VP and CTO, System z) dated July 10. Paragraph 4 and 5 lay out their position. Seems like IBM thinks you might owe them more money not less if you implement zPrime. Not sure if this is just FUD or not, but sounds reasonable. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Neon's zPrime - IBM response from July 10
I just commented about the MCMG meeting that I attended last Friday. On the ziip and zaap session that Al Sherkow gave, he talked quite a bit about the zPrime product, as several people there had seen the discussion on IBM-Main. He didn't have any knowledge (or at least he said he didn't) about what IBM was going to do about it, but it looks like the link below gives IBM's response. I'm really curious how this plays out. Is IBM going to charge you for stuff you run on your ziip that zPrime routed there, or are they going to let it slide to try to gain marketshare? Or, something totally different? Is anyone running zPrime yet? I suspect if you are, you are sworn to secrecy. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Ken Porowski ken.porow...@cit.com Found this on the web http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/mainframe-blog/ibm-warns-custo mers-about-neons-zprime/ -Original Message- If you want IBM's initial response to zPrime, ask your IBM business partner. You can get a letter written by Mark Anzani (IBM VP and CTO, System z) dated July 10. Paragraph 4 and 5 lay out their position. Seems like IBM thinks you might owe them more money not less if you implement zPrime. Not sure if this is just FUD or not, but sounds reasonable. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Neon's zPrime - IBM response from July 10
On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 14:00 -0500, JE Thinnes wrote: If you want IBM's initial response to zPrime, ask your IBM business partner. You can get a letter written by Mark Anzani (IBM VP and CTO, System z) dated July 10. Paragraph 4 and 5 lay out their position. Seems like IBM thinks you might owe them more money not less if you implement zPrime. This just has to get uglier. Seems every vendor (IBM included) has been been announcing (to great fanfare) new exploitation of specialty engines. Presumably with IBMs imprimatur. So the initial concept has become quite a bit more fuzzy around the edges. More action to come no doubt. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Neon's zPrime - IBM response from July 10
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Shaneibm-m...@tpg.com.au wrote: This just has to get uglier. Seems every vendor (IBM included) has been been announcing (to great fanfare) new exploitation of specialty engines. Presumably with IBMs imprimatur. So the initial concept has become quite a bit more fuzzy around the edges. More action to come no doubt. No doubt. My SWAG: This is NEON's way of getting IBM to buy them, to put them out of their misery, a la PSI. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Neon's zPrime - IBM response from July 10
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Edward Jaffeedja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote: That might be their objective. If so, it's a failed strategy. IBM knows that many ISVs figured out long ago how to enable 3rd-party code to run on zAAP/zIIP. (A fun exercise.) If IBM bought NEON (or zPrime) to keep a lid on things, another zPrime-like product would appear soon thereafter, and then another, and another. There is no way IBM could buy them all. Even if they could, it seems unlikely they would put themselves in such a vulnerable position. Ah. So much for my theory! (Unless, as you intimate, they're just ignorant.) I was only about 43.6% serious anyway. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Neon's zPrime - IBM response from July 10
P S wrote: My SWAG: This is NEON's way of getting IBM to buy them, to put them out of their misery, a la PSI. That might be their objective. If so, it's a failed strategy. IBM knows that many ISVs figured out long ago how to enable 3rd-party code to run on zAAP/zIIP. (A fun exercise.) If IBM bought NEON (or zPrime) to keep a lid on things, another zPrime-like product would appear soon thereafter, and then another, and another. There is no way IBM could buy them all. Even if they could, it seems unlikely they would put themselves in such a vulnerable position. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Neon's zPrime - IBM response from July 10
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Shane Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 3:49 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Neon's zPrime - IBM response from July 10 On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 14:00 -0500, JE Thinnes wrote: If you want IBM's initial response to zPrime, ask your IBM business partner. You can get a letter written by Mark Anzani (IBM VP and CTO, System z) dated July 10. Paragraph 4 and 5 lay out their position. Seems like IBM thinks you might owe them more money not less if you implement zPrime. This just has to get uglier. Seems every vendor (IBM included) has been been announcing (to great fanfare) new exploitation of specialty engines. Presumably with IBMs imprimatur. So the initial concept has become quite a bit more fuzzy around the edges. More action to come no doubt. Shane ... Some companies, one in Germany comes to mind, won't even recognize software (well marketing MSUs). What do you think they will do when someone implements zPrime and shuffles database off to a zIIP. A bottom kneecapped CP(s) z9 or z10 could probably run z/OS well enough if you move zPrime all the application work to full speed specialty engines. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
