Re: Have to reformat IPL volume with IPLTEXT
it's a case of i'm right and the whole world didn't figure it out right anyhow, i'm leaving that place very soon On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:02:38 -0300, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/22/2006 at 08:17 PM, Ambat Ravi Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: my current employer believes in doing just that: applying to live system. Who's going to wind up holding the bag when the balloon goes up? -- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Have to reformat IPL volume with IPLTEXT
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/22/2006 at 08:17 PM, Ambat Ravi Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: my current employer believes in doing just that: applying to live system. Who's going to wind up holding the bag when the balloon goes up? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Have to reformat IPL volume with IPLTEXT
Skip, my current employer believes in doing just that: applying to live system. they don't believe in cloning, nor indirect cataloging. coupled with that, we have a rather nonsupporting security team. there's plenty of landmines to be cleared ... - ravi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cat skinning has always been more about result than process, but some techniques are more trouble than others. We never rebuild IPL text on a 'live' sysres, that is, one that will actually be LOADed from. All maintenance is installed on an SMPE-only target volume. IPL text is rebuilt there, then the volume is cloned to a 'live' volume. I can't recall ever having to dink around with the copy itself. That's why I questioned in an earlier post whether the cloning process is set up properly to include the track that contains the IPL text. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Have to reformat IPL volume with IPLTEXT
If you are right about not picking up track 0, then something has caused this. I haven't changed my cloning process for a long-long time. I'll try the ALLEXCP parm and report back after I migrate the current maintenance to production. Many thanks to all. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Skip Robinson Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 3:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Have to reformat IPL volume with IPLTEXT The only thing I can think of is that the sysres cloning step is not picking up Track 0. We use DFDSS with this control statement: COPY FULL INDDNAME(FROM) OUTDDNAME(TO) ALLEXCP PURGE . . JO.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Have to reformat IPL volume with IPLTEXT
i remember seeing this APAR, as i was prepping my 1.4 with all tolerant fixes, readying for 1.7 anyway, i had about close to 300 PTFs applied, and several of the HOLDACTIONS mentioned re-creating the IPL text, as well as the SADump. had no problems with that - IPLed smoothly 2 weeks ago. did you create the text/bootstrap from the correct NUCLEUS/SAMPLIB prior to IPL ? i vaguely remember this APAR having an impact on EMC devices (or is it?) ... only bugbear i have is waiting on APAR OA15115 - ravi. On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 07:46:05 -0500, Kok, Howi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I don't know since which maintenance, could be OA09050, I have been unable to IPL until I reformat the IPL volume even though I initialized it with IPL TEXT. Does anyone has the same problem and how you solve it? We are at z/OS 1.4. Thanks, Howi Kok -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Have to reformat IPL volume with IPLTEXT
I don't really know which APAR that might have caused my problem. For sure I init the volume from the correct SAMPLIB because I used the same JCL to reformat the volume after the init. This problem is really no big deal, but it is a problem. I can append a reformat step in the build IPL volume job to circumvent this. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ambat Ravi Nair Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Have to reformat IPL volume with IPLTEXT i remember seeing this APAR, as i was prepping my 1.4 with all tolerant fixes, readying for 1.7 anyway, i had about close to 300 PTFs applied, and several of the HOLDACTIONS mentioned re-creating the IPL text, as well as the SADump. had no problems with that - IPLed smoothly 2 weeks ago. did you create the text/bootstrap from the correct NUCLEUS/SAMPLIB prior to IPL ? i vaguely remember this APAR having an impact on EMC devices (or is it?) ... only bugbear i have is waiting on APAR OA15115 - ravi. On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 07:46:05 -0500, Kok, Howi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I don't know since which maintenance, could be OA09050, I have been unable to IPL until I reformat the IPL volume even though I initialized it with IPL TEXT. Does anyone has the same problem and how you solve it? We are at z/OS 1.4. Thanks, Howi Kok -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Have to reformat IPL volume with IPLTEXT
Dave, I believe writing a new IPL TEXT from the target during the clone process is a standard. But my problem is I have to reformat the cloned pack after the process, even though the cloned pack has been initialized with IPL TEXT from the target. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jousma, David Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:45 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Have to reformat IPL volume with IPLTEXT Howie, On this topic, I have built into my clone process, a step that always builds new IPLTEXT from my master SMPE target datasets. That way I don't have to worry about getting the latest version due to a PTF. One less thing to worry about. Dave Dave Jousma Principal Systems Programmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 616.653.8429 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kok, Howi Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Have to reformat IPL volume with IPLTEXT I don't really know which APAR that might have caused my problem. For sure I init the volume from the correct SAMPLIB because I used the same JCL to reformat the volume after the init. This problem is really no big deal, but it is a problem. I can append a reformat step in the build IPL volume job to circumvent this. ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Have to reformat IPL volume with IPLTEXT
The only thing I can think of is that the sysres cloning step is not picking up Track 0. We use DFDSS with this control statement: COPY FULL INDDNAME(FROM) OUTDDNAME(TO) ALLEXCP PURGE . . JO.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kok, Howi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU 04/20/2006 08:58 AM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject Re: Have to reformat IPL volume with IPLTEXT Dave, I believe writing a new IPL TEXT from the target during the clone process is a standard. But my problem is I have to reformat the cloned pack after the process, even though the cloned pack has been initialized with IPL TEXT from the target. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jousma, David Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:45 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Have to reformat IPL volume with IPLTEXT Howie, On this topic, I have built into my clone process, a step that always builds new IPLTEXT from my master SMPE target datasets. That way I don't have to worry about getting the latest version due to a PTF. One less thing to worry about. Dave Dave Jousma Principal Systems Programmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 616.653.8429 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kok, Howi Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Have to reformat IPL volume with IPLTEXT I don't really know which APAR that might have caused my problem. For sure I init the volume from the correct SAMPLIB because I used the same JCL to reformat the volume after the init. This problem is really no big deal, but it is a problem. I can append a reformat step in the build IPL volume job to circumvent this. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Have to reformat IPL volume with IPLTEXT
i'd suppose you would have: 1. cloned SYSRES (which contained old IPL text) 2. applied fixes to new target libraries in cloned volume 3. rebuilt IPL text onto cloned volume from newly updated target libraries - ravi. Kok, Howi wrote: Dave, I believe writing a new IPL TEXT from the target during the clone process is a standard. But my problem is I have to reformat the cloned pack after the process, even though the cloned pack has been initialized with IPL TEXT from the target. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Have to reformat IPL volume with IPLTEXT
Cat skinning has always been more about result than process, but some techniques are more trouble than others. We never rebuild IPL text on a 'live' sysres, that is, one that will actually be LOADed from. All maintenance is installed on an SMPE-only target volume. IPL text is rebuilt there, then the volume is cloned to a 'live' volume. I can't recall ever having to dink around with the copy itself. That's why I questioned in an earlier post whether the cloning process is set up properly to include the track that contains the IPL text. Ambat Ravi Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU 04/20/2006 03:03 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject Re: Have to reformat IPL volume with IPLTEXT i'd suppose you would have: 1. cloned SYSRES (which contained old IPL text) 2. applied fixes to new target libraries in cloned volume 3. rebuilt IPL text onto cloned volume from newly updated target libraries - ravi. Kok, Howi wrote: Dave, I believe writing a new IPL TEXT from the target during the clone process is a standard. But my problem is I have to reformat the cloned pack after the process, even though the cloned pack has been initialized with IPL TEXT from the target. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Have to reformat IPL volume with IPLTEXT
I don't know since which maintenance, could be OA09050, I have been unable to IPL until I reformat the IPL volume even though I initialized it with IPL TEXT. Does anyone has the same problem and how you solve it? We are at z/OS 1.4. You didn't indicate what happens to your IPL. Do you get a WAIT code? what it is? OA13715 is a PE against OA09050 describing a WAIT064 during IPL. However, it seems to apply only to 1.5 and above. -- Bruce A. Black Senior Software Developer for FDR Innovation Data Processing 973-890-7300 personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sales info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tech support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.innovationdp.fdr.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Have to reformat IPL volume with IPLTEXT
I got wait code 075 but can't remember what reason code. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Black Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 9:55 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Have to reformat IPL volume with IPLTEXT I don't know since which maintenance, could be OA09050, I have been unable to IPL until I reformat the IPL volume even though I initialized it with IPL TEXT. Does anyone has the same problem and how you solve it? We are at z/OS 1.4. You didn't indicate what happens to your IPL. Do you get a WAIT code? what it is? OA13715 is a PE against OA09050 describing a WAIT064 during IPL. However, it seems to apply only to 1.5 and above. -- Bruce A. Black Senior Software Developer for FDR Innovation Data Processing 973-890-7300 personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sales info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tech support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.innovationdp.fdr.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
