Re: How big is your z/OS 1.9 root and where does it live
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/22/2008 at 08:05 AM, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Thanks. Got the bookshelf, but don't see a OS/390 V2.7 Unix Setup manual or one with Setup in the title anywhere. Try Installation and Planning or variations on that. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How big is your z/OS 1.9 root and where does it live
I just ran out of space on my ROOT while installing JAVA 31.$ You should not install directly into the root file system but allocate a separate file system for each separate product. Keep the root more or less as it is delivered with z/OS, except from creating additional directories to be used as mount points for other file systems. -- Peter Hunkeler CREDIT SUISSE -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How big is your z/OS 1.9 root and where does it live
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of John Norgauer I just ran out of space on my ROOT while installing JAVA 31. I'd like a ball-park number of your size I have 60K tracks and it's on my SYSRES. I could re-locate to another volume but I thought maybe I could do some clean-up also. Any thoughts? Data Set Name . . . : OMVS.ZOS19.ROOT General Data Current Allocation Management class . . : **None** Allocated tracks . : 50,000 Storage class . . . : xx Allocated extents . : 1 Volume serial . . . : nn Maximum dir. blocks : NOLIMIT Device type . . . . : 3390 Data class . . . . . : **None** Organization . . . : POCurrent Utilization Record format . . . : U Used pages . . . . : 499,426 Record length . . . : 0 % Utilized . . . . : 83 Block size . . . . : 0 Number of members . : 14,011 1st extent tracks . : 5 Secondary tracks . : 5000 Data set name type : HFS We installed Java 1.4.2 and 1.5.0 into separate HFSes, mounted respectively on /usr/lpp/java/HJVA140 and /usr/lpp/java/HJVA500. The Java HFSes are 281 cylinders (1.4.2) and 374 cylinders (1.5.0). All of our HFSes live on SMS-managed (non-SYSRES) volumes. Software installation and maintenance is performed on a maintenance copy of the respective HFS and rolled in as needed. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How big is your z/OS 1.9 root and where does it live
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler [ snip ] I will be eventually redoing my OMVS environment to have a top Root which is just links and using Symbolics and /SYSNAME type setups in my BPXPRMxx member. This is very well documented in the OS/390 V2.7 Unix Setup manual. Hmmm I don't see any links to manuals earlier than OS/390 2.10 at http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv . Would you post a pointer? -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How big is your z/OS 1.9 root and where does it live
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/Shelves Goes back to OS/390 V1.1 -- Peter Hunkeler CREDIT SUISSE -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How big is your z/OS 1.9 root and where does it live
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/Shelves Goes back to OS/390 V1.1 Thanks. Got the bookshelf, but don't see a OS/390 V2.7 Unix Setup manual or one with Setup in the title anywhere. Also have not seen anything about top ROOT in the Planning manuals. Perhaps I should be looking for a Redbook? -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How big is your z/OS 1.9 root and where does it live
The real title is OS/390 V2R7.0 UNIX System Services Planning. However, much had changed with respect to the root file system when support for sharing HFSs in a sysplex was added with OS/390 V1.9. It's better to consult a more recent version of the manual before re-doing the root setup. -- Peter Hunkeler CREDIT SUISSE -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How big is your z/OS 1.9 root and where does it live
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) The real title is OS/390 V2R7.0 UNIX System Services Planning. However, much had changed with respect to the root file system when support for sharing HFSs in a sysplex was added with OS/390 V1.9. It's better to consult a more recent version of the manual before re-doing the root setup. OK, I'll go back to the z/OS 1.9 manuals, but still haven't found anything resembling top ROOT yet. Indeed, the OP's description seemed more like something that would be found in a Redbook rather than a reference manual. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How big is your z/OS 1.9 root and where does it live
Peter, I totally agree with your statement, however, the descriptions and diagrams are very nice in this manual. I am still going through the zOS v1.9 manuals to see what has been enhanced. But my basic direction is to start at the beginning of the yellow brick road and move forward. I find that sometimes IBM drops really good information over time in manuals. Lizette The real title is OS/390 V2R7.0 UNIX System Services Planning. However, much had changed with respect to the root file system when support for sharing HFSs in a sysplex was added with OS/390 V1.9. It's better to consult a more recent version of the manual before re-doing the root setup. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How big is your z/OS 1.9 root and where does it live
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Peter, I totally agree with your statement, however, the descriptions and diagrams are very nice in this manual. I am still going through the zOS v1.9 manuals to see what has been enhanced. But my basic direction is to start at the beginning of the yellow brick road and move forward. I find that sometimes IBM drops really good information over time in manuals. Lizette The real title is OS/390 V2R7.0 UNIX System Services Planning. However, much had changed with respect to the root file system when support for sharing HFSs in a sysplex was added with OS/390 V1.9. It's better to consult a more recent version of the manual before re-doing the root setup. Looks like Chapter 7 in the z/OS 1.9 UNIX System Services Planning manual has the current documentation for this. Presumably a similar chapter in the z/OS 1.10 manual as well. Since current intent here is to skip 1.10 and wait for 1.11, I'll study the 1.9 manual for now. Top ROOT is now Sysplex ROOT; similar changes to other nomenclature. Thanks, -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How big is your z/OS 1.9 root and where does it live
Top ROOT is not a term I've run into before, although I understand what Lizette is using it for. Before OS/390 V1.9 (not to confuse with z/OS V1.9), it was simply the root file system. Then V1.9 introduced the syslpex sharing of file system and with this two new terms were coined: - The Sysplex Root, which simply is the first file system mounted by the kernel. It's the point you reach by cd /. There is only one sysplex root and all systems participating in sysplex sharing of file systems have it mounted as the top level filesystem. The sysplex root has a coulpe of mount points and a couple of sysbolic links but is empty otherwise. - The Version Root contains all the data (directories, files, etc.) that is delivered with each OS release. It is what has been called root file system before OS/390 V1.9. Some systems in the sysplex may share this file systems, some may have another version of it. The planning guide explains this all, although it problably more than one pass to get the idea. -- Peter Hunkeler CREDIT SUISSE Global Data Center Operations Print Processing Engineering / KIUK 3 Uetlibergstrasse 231 CH-8070 Zurich Phone +41 (0)44 332 2697 Fax +41 (0)44 332 4543 http://www.credit-suisse.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chase, John Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 4:28 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How big is your z/OS 1.9 root and where does it live -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Peter, I totally agree with your statement, however, the descriptions and diagrams are very nice in this manual. I am still going through the zOS v1.9 manuals to see what has been enhanced. But my basic direction is to start at the beginning of the yellow brick road and move forward. I find that sometimes IBM drops really good information over time in manuals. Lizette The real title is OS/390 V2R7.0 UNIX System Services Planning. However, much had changed with respect to the root file system when support for sharing HFSs in a sysplex was added with OS/390 V1.9. It's better to consult a more recent version of the manual before re-doing the root setup. Looks like Chapter 7 in the z/OS 1.9 UNIX System Services Planning manual has the current documentation for this. Presumably a similar chapter in the z/OS 1.10 manual as well. Since current intent here is to skip 1.10 and wait for 1.11, I'll study the 1.9 manual for now. Top ROOT is now Sysplex ROOT; similar changes to other nomenclature. Thanks, -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How big is your z/OS 1.9 root and where does it live
John Norgauer wrote: I just ran out of space on my ROOT while installing JAVA 31. I'd like a ball-park number of your size I have 60K tracks and it's on my SYSRES. I could re-locate to another volume but I thought maybe I could do some clean-up also. Any thoughts? Few thoughts: 1. Always allocate separate HFS for any product. Treat root HFS as read only. BTW: in sysplex environment suggested configuration is small root HFS for some links and real root HFS mounted R/O as so called version HFS. It can be different for given plex member when more than 1 system levels are in the sysplex. 2. JAVA 31 is ambigous. It can be 1.4.2 or V5 or V6. Of course it has nothing to do with space in filesystem. Be sure that you have required one. Hint: you can have all of them simultaneously if you want, even 31 and 64 bit versions. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2008 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 zote i zosta w caoci wpacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How big is your z/OS 1.9 root and where does it live
Here is a good REDBOOK, Figure 6.x is the example I will use to begin setting up my top root http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247035.html?Open UNIX System Services z/OS Version 1 Release 7 Implementation SG24-7035-01 Lizette http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/Shelves Goes back to OS/390 V1.1 Thanks. Got the bookshelf, but don't see a OS/390 V2.7 Unix Setup manual or one with Setup in the title anywhere. Also have not seen anything about top ROOT in the Planning manuals. Perhaps I should be looking for a Redbook? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How big is your z/OS 1.9 root and where does it live
I place all of my system OMVS data sets on a separate 3390-9 volume. I have increased the space on the SYS1.OMVS.ROOT to about 6 trks. Since I am not using a top ROOT dataset which just have links in it (the better way to go), I wanted to make sure I had sufficient space. I have an HFS Root. I have an ETC, VAR, XML, SIGYROOT, and temp that fills up the 3390-9 by 3/4s. I will be eventually redoing my OMVS environment to have a top Root which is just links and using Symbolics and /SYSNAME type setups in my BPXPRMxx member. This is very well documented in the OS/390 V2.7 Unix Setup manual. Hope this helps. Lizette I just ran out of space on my ROOT while installing JAVA 31. I'd like a ball-park number of your size I have 60K tracks and it's on my SYSRES. I could re-locate to another volume but I thought maybe I could do some clean-up also. Any thoughts? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
