Re: XML install questions.
I'm an application programmer, not a system programmer. One reason I use separate CSI is for testing installation of my products and PTFs. We tend to create CSIs as needed. This way I can play safely in my own little sandbox without messing the system up. At the same time, my resulting target libraries can still be made available to the other developers and testers who want to work with my libraries instead of the system libraries. The only complication I ever have for not being in the real CSI is that I must sometimes create some fake sysmods for my own zones to satisfy some pre-req conditions for things that aren't installed in my own CSI. --Roger Bolan IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 08/28/2008 02:08:23 PM: > On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:52:30 -0400, Howard Rifkind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >Anyone out there familiar with the installation of the of the XML 1.9 > >product might be able to help me out with this. > > > >My manager wants this product installed in its own CSI. > > As far as I know it's not a separate product, but a part of z/OS. So I'm > curious why he wants it installed in a separate CSI. That seems likely to > cause problems when you install PTFs, or do upgrades of z/OS, etc. > > -- > Walt > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: XML install questions.
"The Boss" might not be always right, but he's still "The Boss". More's the pity... :-) R.S. wrote: Ted MacNEIL wrote: IMHO manager is not the person who should decide about CSI contents or other technical details. Unless he's responsible for SMP/E. I agree, but they are the boss! Oh, yes. boss i always right. Customer is always right. Hoever even the boss cannot do (or demand) impossible things! For example the boss cannot have separate CSI on his PC with MS Vista. And he should demand things hich are against good practice, even if possible. It is also possible to install the XML Toolkit without SMP/E - but why to do it? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: XML install questions.
Yes, but does he have the technical qualifications to make those types of decisions? Or is he purely a "politician"?? Howard Rifkind wrote: He is. He owns everything on the mainframe! "R.S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 8/29/2008 10:24 AM >>> Howard Rifkind wrote: Simple, because that's what my manage wants IMHO manager is not the person who should decide about CSI contents or other technical details. Unless he's responsible for SMP/E. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: XML install questions.
Yes, the boss is the boss, and from the looks of this place I think he is a pretty good technician. I doubt I could have set up the system any better then he has. How, that said, he and I didn't know much about the XML toolkit before this. I just got through checking out the hard copy of the program directory. I seems to me and viewed on page 21 that what they want is to receive the product in the z/OS zones only Because the follow on sample jobs provided after the receive are as follows: Allocate Mkdir DDDEF Apply Accept. So if you do the receive the product into the z/OS zones then can you run the above jobs to sepeate this product out for z/OS? This is what appears is going on here. >>> Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 8/29/2008 11:39 AM >>> >Hoever even the boss cannot do (or demand) impossible things! True, but that makes it your responsibility to explain it to the boss. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html _ LEGAL NOTICE Unless expressly stated otherwise, this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. Access to this E-mail by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure or copying of the contents of this E-mail or any action taken (or not taken) in reliance on it is unauthorized and may be unlawful. If you are not an addressee, please inform the sender immediately, then delete this message and empty from your trash. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: XML install questions.
>Hoever even the boss cannot do (or demand) impossible things! True, but that makes it your responsibility to explain it to the boss. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: XML install questions.
Ted MacNEIL wrote: IMHO manager is not the person who should decide about CSI contents or other technical details. Unless he's responsible for SMP/E. I agree, but they are the boss! Oh, yes. boss i always right. Customer is always right. Hoever even the boss cannot do (or demand) impossible things! For example the boss cannot have separate CSI on his PC with MS Vista. And he should demand things hich are against good practice, even if possible. It is also possible to install the XML Toolkit without SMP/E - but why to do it? -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, nr rejestru przedsiębiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Według stanu na dzień 01.01.2008 r. kapitał zakładowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 złote i został w całości wpłacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: XML install questions.
>IMHO manager is not the person who should decide about CSI contents or other >technical details. >Unless he's responsible for SMP/E. I agree, but they are the boss! - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: XML install questions.
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:42:57 -0400, Scott Rowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Agreed. The person responsible for maintaining z/OS should be making >this decision, not a manager. > I'm not commenting on this particular issue, but sometimes a manager is an ex-technician in the same area he is managing and just because he/she is the manager doesn't mean he/she can't make a (good) technical decision. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: XML install questions.
Well, for the most part he has been the man for a substancial time (years) doing z/OS, CICS, etc. by himself...no help until I got here. I have to give him a lot of credit to do all of this by himself, no SoftwareExcel and so on. >>> Scott Rowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 8/29/2008 10:42 AM >>> Agreed. The person responsible for maintaining z/OS should be making this decision, not a manager. >>> "R.S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 8/29/2008 10:24 AM >>> Howard Rifkind wrote: > Simple, because that's what my manage wants IMHO manager is not the person who should decide about CSI contents or other technical details. Unless he's responsible for SMP/E. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2008 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 zote i zosta w caoci wpacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Note that my email domain has changed from jo-annstores.com to joann.com. Please update your address book and other records to reflect this change. CONFIDENTIALITY/EMAIL NOTICE: The material in this transmission contains confidential and privileged information intended only for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this material in error and that any forwarding, copying, printing, distribution, use or disclosure of the material is strictly prohibited. If you have received this material in error, please (i) do not read it, (ii) reply to the sender that you received the message in error, and (iii) erase or destroy the material. Emails are not secure and can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by email. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html _ LEGAL NOTICE Unless expressly stated otherwise, this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. Access to this E-mail by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure or copying of the contents of this E-mail or any action taken (or not taken) in reliance on it is unauthorized and may be unlawful. If you are not an addressee, please inform the sender immediately, then delete this message and empty from your trash. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: XML install questions.
Agreed. The person responsible for maintaining z/OS should be making this decision, not a manager. >>> "R.S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 8/29/2008 10:24 AM >>> Howard Rifkind wrote: > Simple, because that's what my manage wants IMHO manager is not the person who should decide about CSI contents or other technical details. Unless he's responsible for SMP/E. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2008 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 zote i zosta w caoci wpacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Note that my email domain has changed from jo-annstores.com to joann.com. Please update your address book and other records to reflect this change. CONFIDENTIALITY/EMAIL NOTICE: The material in this transmission contains confidential and privileged information intended only for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this material in error and that any forwarding, copying, printing, distribution, use or disclosure of the material is strictly prohibited. If you have received this material in error, please (i) do not read it, (ii) reply to the sender that you received the message in error, and (iii) erase or destroy the material. Emails are not secure and can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by email. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: XML install questions.
He is. He owns everything on the mainframe! >>> "R.S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 8/29/2008 10:24 AM >>> Howard Rifkind wrote: > Simple, because that's what my manage wants IMHO manager is not the person who should decide about CSI contents or other technical details. Unless he's responsible for SMP/E. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2008 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 zote i zosta w caoci wpacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html _ LEGAL NOTICE Unless expressly stated otherwise, this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. Access to this E-mail by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure or copying of the contents of this E-mail or any action taken (or not taken) in reliance on it is unauthorized and may be unlawful. If you are not an addressee, please inform the sender immediately, then delete this message and empty from your trash. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: XML install questions.
Howard Rifkind wrote: Simple, because that's what my manage wants IMHO manager is not the person who should decide about CSI contents or other technical details. Unless he's responsible for SMP/E. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2008 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 zote i zosta w caoci wpacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: XML install questions.
Simple, because that's what my manage wants >>> Walt Farrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 8/28/2008 4:08 PM >>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:52:30 -0400, Howard Rifkind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Anyone out there familiar with the installation of the of the XML 1.9 >product might be able to help me out with this. > >My manager wants this product installed in its own CSI. As far as I know it's not a separate product, but a part of z/OS. So I'm curious why he wants it installed in a separate CSI. That seems likely to cause problems when you install PTFs, or do upgrades of z/OS, etc. -- Walt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html _ LEGAL NOTICE Unless expressly stated otherwise, this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. Access to this E-mail by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure or copying of the contents of this E-mail or any action taken (or not taken) in reliance on it is unauthorized and may be unlawful. If you are not an addressee, please inform the sender immediately, then delete this message and empty from your trash. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: XML install questions.
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL > > >I think what Ted was trying to say was that your hair HAS > color, not that you color it! > > Exactly! > > >As in it's not all grey (or missing) like so many on > the list. > > I have both! So, you're NOT auditioning to play "Yoda" in a future "Star Wars" episode? :-) -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: XML install questions.
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Howard Rifkind > > Anyone out there familiar with the installation of the of the > XML 1.9 product might be able to help me out with this. > > My manager wants this product installed in its own CSI. Why?? It "fits perfectly" in the MVST100 zone of the z/OS CSI. > The problem is that the first install job included with the > CBPDO doesn't have a job to allocate and set up a new CSI and > other files. > The job requests that you download everything into a > currently created global csi. I think they might be thinking > about the global csi for z/OS as the first job is to do a > receive into some csi and then extract the installation job, > starting with IXMALLOC. Doesn't make scense to me to skip > the job (s) required to install into a separate csi. > > Does this mean what I think it does? > > I installing this for the CICSTS32 install. > > Need some suggestions as I'm not really sharp with SMP/E Currently the XML Toolkit is an "optional component" of z/OS (and is required for installation of CICS TS 3.2, as you've seen), so IMO "belongs" in the z/OS CSI. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: XML install questions.
CICS TS 3.2 requires the XML Toolkit dataset as part of the SYSLIB concatenation, so it becomes the same as any cross-SREL usage, putting a PTF on XML Toolkit, wherever it is, means you might have to look at relinking something under CICS TS. How many shops are doing that? On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:58:11 -0500, Mark Zelden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:08:23 -0500, Walt Farrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:52:30 -0400, Howard Rifkind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>wrote: >> >>>Anyone out there familiar with the installation of the of the XML 1.9 >>>product might be able to help me out with this. >>> >>>My manager wants this product installed in its own CSI. >> >>As far as I know it's not a separate product, but a part of z/OS. So I'm >>curious why he wants it installed in a separate CSI. That seems likely to >>cause problems when you install PTFs, or do upgrades of z/OS, etc. >> >>-- > >Walt, > >You may be confusing XML services with the XML Toolkit that Howard >is referring to. > >Mark >-- > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: XML install questions.
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:08:23 -0500, Walt Farrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:52:30 -0400, Howard Rifkind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >wrote: > >>Anyone out there familiar with the installation of the of the XML 1.9 >>product might be able to help me out with this. >> >>My manager wants this product installed in its own CSI. > >As far as I know it's not a separate product, but a part of z/OS. So I'm >curious why he wants it installed in a separate CSI. That seems likely to >cause problems when you install PTFs, or do upgrades of z/OS, etc. > >-- Walt, You may be confusing XML services with the XML Toolkit that Howard is referring to. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: XML install questions.
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:52:30 -0400, Howard Rifkind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Anyone out there familiar with the installation of the of the XML 1.9 >product might be able to help me out with this. > >My manager wants this product installed in its own CSI. As far as I know it's not a separate product, but a part of z/OS. So I'm curious why he wants it installed in a separate CSI. That seems likely to cause problems when you install PTFs, or do upgrades of z/OS, etc. -- Walt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: XML install questions.
>I think what Ted was trying to say was that your hair HAS color, not that you >color it! Exactly! >As in it's not all grey (or missing) like so many on the list. I have both! - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: XML install questions.
Thanks a bunch all. >>> Roger Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 8/27/2008 6:50 PM >>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:52:30 -0400, Howard Rifkind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Anyone out there familiar with the installation of the of the XML 1.9 >product might be able to help me out with this. > >My manager wants this product installed in its own CSI. > Howard, Have sent you an email offline with jcl that I have used to do what you are after. Hope that helps. Roger -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html _ LEGAL NOTICE Unless expressly stated otherwise, this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. Access to this E-mail by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure or copying of the contents of this E-mail or any action taken (or not taken) in reliance on it is unauthorized and may be unlawful. If you are not an addressee, please inform the sender immediately, then delete this message and empty from your trash. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: XML install questions.
I think what Ted was trying to say was that your hair HAS color, not
that you color it! As in it's not all grey (or missing) like so many on
the list.
Rex
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:52:35 +, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>>http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html
>
>Gad, you're a baby!
>You have hair.
>And, it's coloured.
>
>(8-{]}
>
>-
(OFF LIST)
A strange thing to post to a public forum. BTW, my hair is not colored.
There is plenty of grey you just can't see in the photo. You can hardly
see any hair at all!
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Re: XML install questions.
Perhaps you can point me to the place in you web site where the JCL to do the SMP CSI create is. http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html For future reference, similar to Mark's sample jobs on his website there exists member GIMSAMPU in your SYS1.SAMPLIB data set that contains a sample job to allocate and prime SMP/E CSI and other operational data sets. Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, SMP/E Development -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: XML install questions.
On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 07:50 -0500, Mark Zelden wrote: > > > >(OFF LIST) > > > > It wasn't. Sorry. There I go typing away before coffee again. :-( Welcome to the club ;-) Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: XML install questions.
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:42:03 -0500, Mark Zelden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >(OFF LIST) > It wasn't. Sorry. There I go typing away before coffee again. :-( -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: XML install questions.
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:52:35 +, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html
>
>Gad, you're a baby!
>You have hair.
>And, it's coloured.
>
>(8-{]}
>
>-
(OFF LIST)
A strange thing to post to a public forum. BTW, my hair is not colored.
There is plenty of grey you just can't see in the photo. You can hardly
see any hair at all!
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Re: XML install questions.
I also needed to have the XML Toolkit installed for CICS TS 3.2. So I downloaded it, built a global zone, defined some DDDEFs, did the receive, apply, and accept. Pretty basic SMP/E stuff. It does not just come with a z/OS 1.9 ServerPac, you have to select it with the order. We did not, so we ordered it separate after the fact and then put it in the z/OS zone. More than one way to get it and put it where you want. Ordering with the Serverpac is the easiest if you hav a new z/OS coming in. If not, do te way system programmers have done it for years. (Is claiming you are not good with SMP/E a way to build up your manager's confidence in you?) On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:52:30 -0400, Howard Rifkind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Anyone out there familiar with the installation of the of the XML 1.9 >product might be able to help me out with this. > >My manager wants this product installed in its own CSI. > >The problem is that the first install job included with the CBPDO >doesnât have a job to allocate and set up a new CSI and other files. >The job requests that you download everything into a currently created >global csi. I think they might be thinking about the global csi for >z/OS as the first job is to do a receive into some csi and then extract >the installation job, starting with IXMALLOC. Doesnât make scense to me >to skip the job (s) required to install into a separate csi. > >Does this mean what I think it does? > >I installing this for the CICSTS32 install. > >Need some suggestions as Iâm not really sharp with SMP/E > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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>http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html
Gad, you're a baby!
You have hair.
And, it's coloured.
(8-{]}
-
Too busy driving to stop for gas!
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:52:30 -0400, Howard Rifkind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Anyone out there familiar with the installation of the of the XML 1.9 >product might be able to help me out with this. > >My manager wants this product installed in its own CSI. > Howard, Have sent you an email offline with jcl that I have used to do what you are after. Hope that helps. Roger -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: XML install questions.
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:49:16 -0400, Howard Rifkind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Mark, > >Perhaps you can point me to the place in you web site where the JCL to >do the SMP CSI create is. > >Thanks > >I checked both URLs...couldn't find it. > http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html On the left hand side there is a link to the JOBs/DOC section. The jobs are in that section. Look for the ones that start with SMPBLD*. If for some reason you have a browser that doesn't support frames, then scroll down or skip the recent changes section and there is also an index of the various sections that you can click on. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: XML install questions.
Mark, Perhaps you can point me to the place in you web site where the JCL to do the SMP CSI create is. Thanks I checked both URLs...couldn't find it. >>> Mark Zelden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 8/27/2008 5:05 PM >>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:52:30 -0400, Howard Rifkind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Anyone out there familiar with the installation of the of the XML 1.9 >product might be able to help me out with this. > >My manager wants this product installed in its own CSI. Why? Oh well... as Rick wrote, the boss is the boss. > >The problem is that the first install job included with the CBPDO >doesn’t have a job to allocate and set up a new CSI and other files. >The job requests that you download everything into a currently created >global csi. I think they might be thinking about the global csi for >z/OS as the first job is to do a receive into some csi and then extract >the installation job, starting with IXMALLOC. Doesn’t make scense to me >to skip the job (s) required to install into a separate csi. > >Does this mean what I think it does? > It does assume you will install into the z/OS zones. If you ordered it with z/OS it would be in there. When I downloaded it separately under z/OS 1.6 and installed it, that is what I did. >I installing this for the CICSTS32 install. > >Need some suggestions as I’m not really sharp with SMP/E > I have some sample jobs on my web site to create a set of SMP/E zones from scratch. Look in the JOBs section of my web site. I still had all the stuff laying around from my first install of it under z/OS 1.6 and took a quick look at the functions / relfiles etc. and I don't see any reason why it couldn't be installed into its own set of zones.If this is just for some POC / trial, I guess that is not a bad idea. But if you are planning on keeping and using it, you might as well install it into the z/OS zones where it would be delivered if you ordered it as part of ServerPac. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html _ LEGAL NOTICE Unless expressly stated otherwise, this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. Access to this E-mail by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure or copying of the contents of this E-mail or any action taken (or not taken) in reliance on it is unauthorized and may be unlawful. If you are not an addressee, please inform the sender immediately, then delete this message and empty from your trash. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: XML install questions.
>>My manager wants this product installed in its own CSI. >Why? Oh well... as Rick wrote, the boss is the boss. I've only had one boss that fully 'trusted' my judgment on mainframe technical issues. And, that's because he didn't know anything about them. I tried to explain the important ones to him, but other than that, he left me alone. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: XML install questions.
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:52:30 -0400, Howard Rifkind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Anyone out there familiar with the installation of the of the XML 1.9 >product might be able to help me out with this. > >My manager wants this product installed in its own CSI. Why? Oh well... as Rick wrote, the boss is the boss. > >The problem is that the first install job included with the CBPDO >doesnât have a job to allocate and set up a new CSI and other files. >The job requests that you download everything into a currently created >global csi. I think they might be thinking about the global csi for >z/OS as the first job is to do a receive into some csi and then extract >the installation job, starting with IXMALLOC. Doesnât make scense to me >to skip the job (s) required to install into a separate csi. > >Does this mean what I think it does? > It does assume you will install into the z/OS zones. If you ordered it with z/OS it would be in there. When I downloaded it separately under z/OS 1.6 and installed it, that is what I did. >I installing this for the CICSTS32 install. > >Need some suggestions as Iâm not really sharp with SMP/E > I have some sample jobs on my web site to create a set of SMP/E zones from scratch. Look in the JOBs section of my web site. I still had all the stuff laying around from my first install of it under z/OS 1.6 and took a quick look at the functions / relfiles etc. and I don't see any reason why it couldn't be installed into its own set of zones.If this is just for some POC / trial, I guess that is not a bad idea. But if you are planning on keeping and using it, you might as well install it into the z/OS zones where it would be delivered if you ordered it as part of ServerPac. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: XML install questions.
When I originally installed this, I installed it into the existing z/OS CSI for my z/OS operating system. Then, every time I upgrade z/OS to a new release via ServerPack, I just include XML in the order - no extra work, it's just there. Brian On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:52:30 -0400, Howard Rifkind wrote: >Anyone out there familiar with the installation of the of the XML 1.9 >product might be able to help me out with this. > >My manager wants this product installed in its own CSI. > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: XML install questions.
I went into my Serverpac for z/OS V1.9 and have this entry XML TOOLKIT FOR Z/OS 5655-J51 010900 > >If you are at z/OS V1.9 check and see if the XML that comes with the Serverpac >has this for you. > >The HFS/zFS file name I have for z/OS V1.9 SMPE zones is HLQ.OMVS.XML > >Lizette > > > >> >>Anyone out there familiar with the installation of the of the XML 1.9 >>product might be able to help me out with this. >> >>My manager wants this product installed in its own CSI. >> >>The problem is that the first install job included with the CBPDO >>doesn’t have a job to allocate and set up a new CSI and other files. >>The job requests that you download everything into a currently created >>global csi. I think they might be thinking about the global csi for >>z/OS as the first job is to do a receive into some csi and then extract >>the installation job, starting with IXMALLOC. Doesn’t make scense to me >>to skip the job (s) required to install into a separate csi. >> >>Does this mean what I think it does? >> >>I installing this for the CICSTS32 install. >> >>Need some suggestions as I’m not really sharp with SMP/E >> >>Thanks. > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO >Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: XML install questions.
No serverpac CBPDO only. Has never been installed before. >>> Lizette Koehler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 8/27/2008 4:59 PM >>> If you are at z/OS V1.9 check and see if the XML that comes with the Serverpac has this for you. The HFS/zFS file name I have for z/OS V1.9 SMPE zones is HLQ.OMVS.XML Lizette > >Anyone out there familiar with the installation of the of the XML 1.9 >product might be able to help me out with this. > >My manager wants this product installed in its own CSI. > >The problem is that the first install job included with the CBPDO >doesn’t have a job to allocate and set up a new CSI and other files. >The job requests that you download everything into a currently created >global csi. I think they might be thinking about the global csi for >z/OS as the first job is to do a receive into some csi and then extract >the installation job, starting with IXMALLOC. Doesn’t make scense to me >to skip the job (s) required to install into a separate csi. > >Does this mean what I think it does? > >I installing this for the CICSTS32 install. > >Need some suggestions as I’m not really sharp with SMP/E > >Thanks. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html _ LEGAL NOTICE Unless expressly stated otherwise, this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. Access to this E-mail by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure or copying of the contents of this E-mail or any action taken (or not taken) in reliance on it is unauthorized and may be unlawful. If you are not an addressee, please inform the sender immediately, then delete this message and empty from your trash. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: XML install questions.
If you are at z/OS V1.9 check and see if the XML that comes with the Serverpac has this for you. The HFS/zFS file name I have for z/OS V1.9 SMPE zones is HLQ.OMVS.XML Lizette > >Anyone out there familiar with the installation of the of the XML 1.9 >product might be able to help me out with this. > >My manager wants this product installed in its own CSI. > >The problem is that the first install job included with the CBPDO >doesn’t have a job to allocate and set up a new CSI and other files. >The job requests that you download everything into a currently created >global csi. I think they might be thinking about the global csi for >z/OS as the first job is to do a receive into some csi and then extract >the installation job, starting with IXMALLOC. Doesn’t make scense to me >to skip the job (s) required to install into a separate csi. > >Does this mean what I think it does? > >I installing this for the CICSTS32 install. > >Need some suggestions as I’m not really sharp with SMP/E > >Thanks. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
