Re: S222 abends and Reason Codes
Chase, John wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of John McKown On Sat, 4 Jul 2009, Ed Gould wrote: There is no justice in the world. Ed Agreed. In my first job, I had one programmer who got an S0C7 abend. I told him it was a data problem, look in his program to determine which variable was bad. His response: "System abend - system problem - you fix it." Write an ESPIE to change it to a U0C7 and "toss" it back. :-) -jc- Or grind his nose into the SYSTEM CODES manual until he learns to READ IT! I used to keep Systems Messages and System Codes in a single LARGE three-ring binder. The first time someone asked about a system message or code, we'd look it up together; the second time, I just handed it to him. The third time, I dropped it on his feet and the fourth time, I threw it at him. People around me learned fast, most of them anyway. And I always made sure that current copies were available to averyone, at all times. Sometimes, cruelty has a positive effect. Sometimes. Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: S222 abends and Reason Codes
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of John McKown > > On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, Chase, John wrote: > > > > > Write an ESPIE to change it to a U0C7 and "toss" it back. :-) > > > > -jc- > > > > No such thing. User abends are decimal in nature, whereas system abends > are 3 character hex. U0199. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: S222 abends and Reason Codes
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, Chase, John wrote: > > Write an ESPIE to change it to a U0C7 and "toss" it back. :-) > > -jc- > No such thing. User abends are decimal in nature, whereas system abends are 3 character hex. -- Trying to write with a pencil that is dull is pointless. Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: S222 abends and Reason Codes
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of John McKown > > On Sat, 4 Jul 2009, Ed Gould wrote: > > > > There is no justice in the world. > > > > Ed > > Agreed. In my first job, I had one programmer who got an S0C7 abend. I > told him it was a data problem, look in his program to determine which > variable was bad. His response: "System abend - system problem - you fix > it." Write an ESPIE to change it to a U0C7 and "toss" it back. :-) -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: S222 abends and Reason Codes
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 1:33 AM, Ed Gould wrote: SNIP > > The programmer was asked to leave but I got very annoyed as he got a > consultants job at a large insurance company here in Chicago and a very nice > pay raise. > > There is no justice in the world. > I don't know about that. You got the guy fired, didn't you? You're lucky you didn't suffer the same fate; VPs don't like having to intervene in petty (to them) technical disputes. :-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: S222 abends and Reason Codes
>System abend - system problem - you fix it.
Same story everywhere.
When I started, we knew that S0C* abends were caused by application programmer
issues.
Now, if it starts with "S", it has to be a system problem.
Maybe it's a good thing that LE converts them to U*** abends. (8-{]}
User abend - user problem - they fix it!
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Too busy driving to stop for gas!
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Re: S222 abends and Reason Codes
On Sat, 4 Jul 2009, Ed Gould wrote: > There is no justice in the world. > > Ed Agreed. In my first job, I had one programmer who got an S0C7 abend. I told him it was a data problem, look in his program to determine which variable was bad. His response: "System abend - system problem - you fix it." -- Trying to write with a pencil that is dull is pointless. Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: S222 abends and Reason Codes
--- On Fri, 7/3/09, Peter Relson wrote: > I can think of no case where it is > accepted or supported for non-IBM code > to issue an IBM-documented system abend code. > > And that certainly includes 222 which has many > ramifications that go with > its being a "cancel'. > > As we all know, the "official" S222 has no reason codes. > > Peter Relson > z/OS Core Technology Design Peter, ALONG time ago and far far away (when MVS first came out) an applications type figured out how to turn a u0222 into a s0222. The dump arrived on my desk it was a hectic morning and I had dumps on my desk at least 4 feet deep (in those days dumps were printed on paper). I had been shooting this rather nasty system bug and it was wearing thin. Finally around 11:30 AM I got around to the dump and IIRC it took me all of 1 minute to figure out it was a user abend. I was really miffed at getting the dump I took the dump up to the VP of the programming department and put it down on the secretaries desk with a note saying it was a user problem and for the user to figure out what the problems was. The user came down incensed saying it was a system abend so it wasn't his problem. I was about to throw him and the dump out of the front door but stopped and said "OK follow me on this dump" and I showed him step by step where it came from his program. I asked him to get the compile listing and went over it with him. After about 5 minutes he turned white and said "OH, NOW I REMEMBER". He tried to leave but I asked him to please follow me he resisted a little so I took him up to his VP's office and asked to see the VP. It was the end of the day and he was free so I got him to go in with me. I told the VP that the programmer had something to tell him. The programmer was pale with fright. He hemmed and hawed and finally got out the sentence it was his fault and it was his code. The VP looked at me and I had a very annoyed look on my face (I WAS ANNOYED) and the VP said well this won't happen again. I was courteous and said thank you and walked out. The programmer was asked to leave but I got very annoyed as he got a consultants job at a large insurance company here in Chicago and a very nice pay raise. There is no justice in the world. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: S222 abends and Reason Codes
-- I can think of no case where it is accepted or supported for non-IBM code to issue an IBM-documented system abend code. And that certainly includes 222 which has many ramifications that go with its being a "cancel'. As we all know, the "official" S222 has no reason codes. -- I can certainly agree with these statements. The use of System ABEND codes by applications is something to be discouraged, in the interest of keeping these codes UNAMBIGUOUS. If an application has a problem, let it issue a message, with a unique message number, so that automation can pick it up and take appropriate action. Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: S222 abends and Reason Codes
In the old COBOL days, I would call XPECT806, which didn't exist, and got what I asked for Peter Relson wrote: I can think of no case where it is accepted or supported for non-IBM code to issue an IBM-documented system abend code. And that certainly includes 222 which has many ramifications that go with its being a "cancel'. As we all know, the "official" S222 has no reason codes. Peter Relson z/OS Core Technology Design -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: S222 abends and Reason Codes
I can think of no case where it is accepted or supported for non-IBM code to issue an IBM-documented system abend code. And that certainly includes 222 which has many ramifications that go with its being a "cancel'. As we all know, the "official" S222 has no reason codes. Peter Relson z/OS Core Technology Design -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: S222 abends and Reason Codes
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:49:57 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: > >Ask them if their Assembler source code contains this ABEND macro coded >more or less like this example: > >ABEND 222,REASON=,,, For an S222, that would be ABEND X'222',REASON=,,,SYSTEM or ABEND 546,REASON=,,,SYSTEM -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: S222 abends and Reason Codes
Just so we're clear: it is quite possible (you can decide whether 'legitimate') to code an S222 on an abend macro in any program. Just because an application takes a deliberate dive, that doesn't make the abend 'user'. The code gets reported according to how the macro is coded, not on circumstances surrounding the crash. Likewise a reason code may be coded as well. Or not. . . JO.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com Elardus Engelbrecht IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent by: IBM cc Mainframe Discussion List Subject 07/02/2009 10:49 AM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List Lizette Koehler They are researching an internal S222 abend. It came with a reason code. >Now, I have seen S222 due to OPER Cancel commands, but I am not familiar with S222 abends that are issued internally and with a reason code. >Would I be correct in assuming that I need the person that wrote that code to tell me why they did an internal S222 abend and what their reason code means? This is not something I would think would be an IBM process. Ask them if their Assembler source code contains this ABEND macro coded more or less like this example: ABEND 222,REASON=,,, HTH! Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: S222 abends and Reason Codes
Lizette Koehler They are researching an internal S222 abend. It came with a reason code. >Now, I have seen S222 due to OPER Cancel commands, but I am not familiar with S222 abends that are issued internally and with a reason code. >Would I be correct in assuming that I need the person that wrote that code to tell me why they did an internal S222 abend and what their reason code means? This is not something I would think would be an IBM process. Ask them if their Assembler source code contains this ABEND macro coded more or less like this example: ABEND 222,REASON=,,, HTH! Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: S222 abends and Reason Codes
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:40:12 -0600, Roach, Dennis (N-GHG) wrote: >This is not an S222, it is a U222. Major difference. Of course I knew that. I've worked on this platform for a little while. :-)Read what I wrote again: > "I have also seen user 222 abends (poor choice of a number IMHO)." >(display of that abend followed) Regards, Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:mark.zel...@zurichna.com z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: S222 abends and Reason Codes
This is not an S222, it is a U222. Major difference. If this is a vendor application the check the vender documentation and then call the vendor. If it is an in-house application, turn it over to the application programming team. Dennis Roach GHG Corporation Lockheed Martin Mission Services Facilities Design and Operations Contract NASA/JSC Address: 2100 Space Park Drive LM-15-4BH Houston, Texas 77058 Mail: P.O. Box 58487 Mail Code H4C Houston, Texas 77258 Phone: Voice: (281)336-5027 Cell: (713)591-1059 Fax:(281)336-5410 E-Mail: dennis.ro...@lmco.com All opinions expressed by me are mine and may not agree with my employer or any person, company, or thing, living or dead, on or near this or any other planet, moon, asteroid, or other spatial object, natural or manufactured, since the beginning of time. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On > Behalf Of Mark Zelden > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 11:24 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: S222 abends and Reason Codes > > On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:57:27 -0500, McKown, John > > wrote: > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > >> [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler > >> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 10:54 AM > >> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > >> Subject: S222 abends and Reason Codes > >> > >> Someone asked this and I did not know where to look. > >> > >> They are researching an internal S222 abend. It came with a > >> reason code. > >> > >> Now, I have seen S222 due to OPER Cancel commands, but I am > >> not familiar with S222 abends that are issued internally and > >> with a reason code. > >> > >> Would I be correct in assuming that I need the person that > >> wrote that code to tell me why they did an internal S222 > >> abend and what their reason code means? This is not > >> something I would think would be an IBM process. > >> > >> Lizette > > > >You are correct. It is possible for user code to issue an S222 abend > internally. Perhaps via an "F jobname,ABEND" or some such thing. You > need > the code and hope that it is documented. > > > >-- > >John McKown > >Systems Engineer IV > >IT > > > > I have also seen user 222 abends (poor choice of a number IMHO). > > I see these in the syslog from time to time (from AFOPER I think). > They > also show up in the syslog starting in column 1 without the standard > routecode, sysid, date/time prefixes: > > !OMG4042 ABEND U222 OCCURRED, TEXT=MATCH CANCELLED > !OMG4043 DUMP SUBSYS=O340 0340 MODULE=AOTSKVEC(AOTSKMGR)+X/000650/ > CODE=U222 > !OMG4026 A SVC DUMP WAS SUPPRESSED (ABEND TABLE/USER ABEND) > !OMG4044 - ABEND ANALYSIS > !OMG4044 SUBSYS = O340 0340 MODULE = AOTSKVEC > !OMG4044 DATE = 2009.183TIME = 0.41.12 > !OMG4044 ABEND U222 AT AOTSKVEC (AOTSKMGR) + X/000650/ > !OMG4044 FAILING INSTRUCTION WAS 0A0D > !OMG4044 PSW = 078C1000 80055712 ILC = 2 IC =0D > !OMG4044 ASID = 0022 (HOME) 0022 (PRIM) 0022 (SCND) > !OMG4044 R0 = 000C 00DE 00155038 171CF000 > !OMG4044 R4 = 0007 001C 00155038 > !OMG4044 R8 = 0007B048 19B8905C 000560C0 000233E0 > !OMG4044 R12 = 000550C0 89C0 0006E9D0 > !OMG4044 AR0 = > !OMG4044 AR4 = > !OMG4044 AR8 = > !OMG4044 AR12 = 0002 > !OMG4044 - > !OMG4053 RECOVERY IN PROGRESS > > > -- > Mark Zelden > Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead > Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO > mailto:mark.zel...@zurichna.com > z/OS Systems Programming expert at > http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ > Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: S222 abends and Reason Codes
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:57:27 -0500, McKown, John wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List >> [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler >> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 10:54 AM >> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu >> Subject: S222 abends and Reason Codes >> >> Someone asked this and I did not know where to look. >> >> They are researching an internal S222 abend. It came with a >> reason code. >> >> Now, I have seen S222 due to OPER Cancel commands, but I am >> not familiar with S222 abends that are issued internally and >> with a reason code. >> >> Would I be correct in assuming that I need the person that >> wrote that code to tell me why they did an internal S222 >> abend and what their reason code means? This is not >> something I would think would be an IBM process. >> >> Lizette > >You are correct. It is possible for user code to issue an S222 abend internally. Perhaps via an "F jobname,ABEND" or some such thing. You need the code and hope that it is documented. > >-- >John McKown >Systems Engineer IV >IT > I have also seen user 222 abends (poor choice of a number IMHO). I see these in the syslog from time to time (from AFOPER I think). They also show up in the syslog starting in column 1 without the standard routecode, sysid, date/time prefixes: !OMG4042 ABEND U222 OCCURRED, TEXT=MATCH CANCELLED !OMG4043 DUMP SUBSYS=O340 0340 MODULE=AOTSKVEC(AOTSKMGR)+X/000650/ CODE=U222 !OMG4026 A SVC DUMP WAS SUPPRESSED (ABEND TABLE/USER ABEND) !OMG4044 - ABEND ANALYSIS !OMG4044 SUBSYS = O340 0340 MODULE = AOTSKVEC !OMG4044 DATE = 2009.183TIME = 0.41.12 !OMG4044 ABEND U222 AT AOTSKVEC (AOTSKMGR) + X/000650/ !OMG4044 FAILING INSTRUCTION WAS 0A0D !OMG4044 PSW = 078C1000 80055712 ILC = 2 IC =0D !OMG4044 ASID = 0022 (HOME) 0022 (PRIM) 0022 (SCND) !OMG4044 R0 = 000C 00DE 00155038 171CF000 !OMG4044 R4 = 0007 001C 00155038 !OMG4044 R8 = 0007B048 19B8905C 000560C0 000233E0 !OMG4044 R12 = 000550C0 89C0 0006E9D0 !OMG4044 AR0 = !OMG4044 AR4 = !OMG4044 AR8 = !OMG4044 AR12 = 0002 !OMG4044 - !OMG4053 RECOVERY IN PROGRESS -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:mark.zel...@zurichna.com z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: S222 abends and Reason Codes
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 10:54 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: S222 abends and Reason Codes > > Someone asked this and I did not know where to look. > > They are researching an internal S222 abend. It came with a > reason code. > > Now, I have seen S222 due to OPER Cancel commands, but I am > not familiar with S222 abends that are issued internally and > with a reason code. > > Would I be correct in assuming that I need the person that > wrote that code to tell me why they did an internal S222 > abend and what their reason code means? This is not > something I would think would be an IBM process. > > Lizette You are correct. It is possible for user code to issue an S222 abend internally. Perhaps via an "F jobname,ABEND" or some such thing. You need the code and hope that it is documented. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
S222 abends and Reason Codes
Someone asked this and I did not know where to look. They are researching an internal S222 abend. It came with a reason code. Now, I have seen S222 due to OPER Cancel commands, but I am not familiar with S222 abends that are issued internally and with a reason code. Would I be correct in assuming that I need the person that wrote that code to tell me why they did an internal S222 abend and what their reason code means? This is not something I would think would be an IBM process. Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
