Re: SESSION MANAGMENT
There's also Netpass from B.I.S. Software Systems Dave Gibney[EMAIL PROTECTED] System Programmer(509) 335-7359 Information Technology Washington State University Pullman, WA 99164-1222 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SESSION MANAGMENT
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 09:08:41 -0500, McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Out of curiousity, why bother anymore? Surely very few people are running with true 3270 terminals. On a PC desktop (Windows or Linux or *BSD), you could just fire up multiple TN3270 sessions. ... One of the primary advantages of session managers has nothing to do with multiple sessions. It is protection against session outages. For most, if not all, session managers a network outage breaks the session between terminal and session manager, but not the session(s) between session manager and application. When a user's session is brokens he/she can log back on and be right back on the original sessions. maybe a screen has been lost, but not the session and its historical context. As an extra bonus, the LOSTERM or NSEXTIT code in the session manager is usually much lighter than the equivalent function in a CICS or IMS - no transaction backout, etc. Losing a bunch of sessions with a session manager puts a lot lighter load on the processors than losing the same number of sessions with a transaction processor. Pat O'Keefe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
SESSION MANAGMENT
- Original Message - From: Farley, Peter x23353 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 10:30 AM Subject: RE: SESSION MANAGMENT John, a question to your question: If you don't use a session manager, how do remote users who lose their TN3270 session due to non-mainframe problems (timed-out VPN, blue-screen-of-death, etc.) log themselves off of TSO when they get back into the network? In a large organization, you do not want lots of people calling central operators for session cancels, it clogs the work arteries way too much. Where I am, Netview Access (or whatever it is now called) lets me log myself off TSO when I get back in without needing any operator intervention. It's probably the most-used feature, considering you can never get the same LU name coming back in as the one you had previously, so you always have to get your prior session logged off so you can logon again under the new LU. Peter Peter, Check out Gilbert St.Flour's IKJEFLN exit at http://gsf-soft.com. It doesn't work if you have OPERCMDS active, but Gilbert will be glad to sell you the fix ;-) I installed that bad boy on my P390, and finally got reconnected whenever my DSL dropped. Regards, Tom Conley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SESSION MANAGMENT
The NetView product John M. was refering to is called NetView Access Services (NVAS). It is considered functionally stable and is not supposed to have any major enhancements. I have never used TUBES (a.k.a. IBM Session Manager), but my understaning is the major difference is that TUBES supports sessions to non-3270 (vt100/ansi) hosts and NVAS. D-Arbigny Pierre-Andre wrote: Hello all, Does someone know if it exist an other session manager (3270 VTAM) than TUBES/VTAM (MAcro4) and TPX (CA). Many thanks for informations. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SESSION MANAGMENT
Thanks for the tip, Tom. I'll take a look and ask my sysprogs to consider it. Peter -Original Message- From: Thomas Conley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 10:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: SESSION MANAGMENT Snipped Peter, Check out Gilbert St.Flour's IKJEFLN exit at http://gsf-soft.com. It doesn't work if you have OPERCMDS active, but Gilbert will be glad to sell you the fix ;-) I installed that bad boy on my P390, and finally got reconnected whenever my DSL dropped. Regards, Tom Conley _ This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
SESSION MANAGMENT
Hello all, Does someone know if it exist an other session manager (3270 VTAM) than TUBES/VTAM (MAcro4) and TPX (CA). Many thanks for informations. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SESSION MANAGMENT
Hi: Check McKinney or CSI (BIM). Regards, Gene -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of D-Arbigny Pierre-Andre Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 9:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: SESSION MANAGMENT Hello all, Does someone know if it exist an other session manager (3270 VTAM) than TUBES/VTAM (MAcro4) and TPX (CA). Many thanks for informations. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SESSION MANAGMENT
http://www.ibm.com/software/htp/cics/library/sessionmgr.html IBM Session Manager for z/OS Thanks, Sam -Original Message- Does someone know if it exist an other session manager (3270 VTAM) than TUBES/VTAM (MAcro4) and TPX (CA). Many thanks for informations. This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SESSION MANAGMENT
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D-Arbigny Pierre-Andre Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 8:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: SESSION MANAGMENT Hello all, Does someone know if it exist an other session manager (3270 VTAM) than TUBES/VTAM (MAcro4) and TPX (CA). Many thanks for informations. IBM Netview (Tivoli now?) used to do session management. MacKinney's VTAM/Switch http://www.mackinney.com/products/vtam/vtam_switch.htm Out of curiousity, why bother anymore? Surely very few people are running with true 3270 terminals. On a PC desktop (Windows or Linux or *BSD), you could just fire up multiple TN3270 sessions. We have TPX, but I never use it. I think most people who do use it are simply too lazy to logon multiple times (we automate logons via TPX via ACL). Most of our end users do not use TPX. They actually have multiple TN3270 sessions. This is a plus because they have have both displayed on a dual monitor so they can keep an eye on the other session easily without having to flip over to it to take a look. Even with only a single monitor, you can have one big 3270 screen and a small one for subconscious monitoring. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer UICI Insurance Center Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its' content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SESSION MANAGMENT
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 9:30 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SESSION MANAGMENT John, a question to your question: If you don't use a session manager, how do remote users who lose their TN3270 session due to non-mainframe problems (timed-out VPN, blue-screen-of-death, etc.) log themselves off of TSO when they get back into the network? In a large organization, you do not want lots of people calling central operators for session cancels, it clogs the work arteries way too much. Where I am, Netview Access (or whatever it is now called) lets me log myself off TSO when I get back in without needing any operator intervention. It's probably the most-used feature, considering you can never get the same LU name coming back in as the one you had previously, so you always have to get your prior session logged off so you can logon again under the new LU. Peter Simple. We don't have many remote users as in VPN users. Our remote users are forced to logon to a Windows Terminal Service machine (I think that what it's called). They then use the TN3270 client on that server to get into the mainframe. Most of the VPN users are Windows only type people (email and the like). They don't have a TN3270 emulator on their personal machine. I use VPN, but on the rare occassion where I get dropped, I can logon to a z/OS console and cancel my TSO id. But your comments are good. I hadn't thought of them because we just don't have that type of environment here. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer UICI Insurance Center Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its' content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SESSION MANAGMENT
Try Supersession from IBM/Candle. Kevin -- Original message -- Hello all, Does someone know if it exist an other session manager (3270 VTAM) than TUBES/VTAM (MAcro4) and TPX (CA). Many thanks for informations. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SESSION MANAGMENT
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Re: SESSION MANAGMENT
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 10:04:18 -0400, Knutson, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.ibm.com/software/htp/cics/library/sessionmgr.html IBM Session Manager for z/OS That is Tubes redux! :-) -Original Message- Does someone know if it exist an other session manager (3270 VTAM) than TUBES/VTAM (MAcro4) and TPX (CA). Many thanks for informations. There are lots of them. Here is a list of the ones I have personally used at past clients and currently (I'm sure there are others): CL/SuperSession - ex-Candle, now IBM NV/AS - IBM NetView (TAF) - IBM IBM Session Manager - IBM (mentioned above) Tubes - Macro4 (mentioned above) CA-VMAN - CA Switch - MacKinney InterSession - Astrom MultSess - Passgo Net-Pass - BIS PIE - Unicom My favorite is still SuperSession, but TPX comes in a close second only because it takes exits to do some of the things I've done in SuperSession via instalation options or scripts. On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 09:08:41 -0500, McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Out of curiousity, why bother anymore? There are valid still reasons. Hashed out several times on this list already in the past. Search the archives. Regards, Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systems Programming expert at http://Search390.com/ateExperts/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SESSION MANAGMENT
This is TUBES http://www.macro4.com/solutions/products/tubes/index.html I have not used the IBM Session Manager for z/OS but from some other's experiences I got the impression it was originally a slightly modified version of TUBES (that is just what has been said by others on mailing lists I don't have any firsthand knowledge of the IBM product heritage) but is now being enhanced independently of the original product. You also get a different vendor (IBM instead of Macro4) with different TCs. It seems like it was worth mentioning. Thanks, Sam Homer Simpson: If it doesn't have Siamese twins in a jar, it's not a fair. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward E. Jaffe Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 11:18 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SESSION MANAGMENT Knutson, Sam wrote: http://www.ibm.com/software/htp/cics/library/sessionmgr.html IBM Session Manager for z/OS He said he was looking for an *alternative* to TUBES! -- .-. | Edward E. Jaffe This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SESSION MANAGMENT
Knutson, Sam wrote: This is TUBES http://www.macro4.com/solutions/products/tubes/index.html I have not used the IBM Session Manager for z/OS but from some other's experiences I got the impression it was originally a slightly modified version of TUBES (that is just what has been said by others on mailing lists I don't have any firsthand knowledge of the IBM product heritage) but is now being enhanced independently of the original product. You also get a different vendor (IBM instead of Macro4) with different TCs. It seems like it was worth mentioning. Different TCs perhaps. Not different developers and support people. It's Macro4 through and through. I'm not sure which posts on which lists you've been reading (URLs please?), but my most-recent IBM-Main post on the subject can be found here: http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0501L=ibm-mainP=R66207 -- .-. | Edward E. Jaffe|| | Mgr, Research Development| [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Phoenix Software International | Tel: (310) 338-0400 x318 | | 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 | Fax: (310) 338-0801| | Los Angeles, CA 90045 | http://www.phoenixsoftware.com | '-' -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
