Re: System Dumps and SMS allocation fails

2012-02-14 Thread Ken Leidner
Well the problem has been solved, thanks to all for their 
thoughts.   I removed the space and DCB attributes, except for the 
DSNTYPE=LARGE from the dataclass and all is well.


Not quite sure why, but whatever works.

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Re: System Dumps and SMS allocation fails

2012-02-13 Thread Ken Leidner
From an SMS point of view all is well.  Allocation works has the 
correct attributes and is placed on the correct volume.

At 05:43 PM 2/13/2012, you wrote:
Ken - Scratch what I said.  It appears it tried to allocate into 
SGDUMP first and failed.


What are the volumes in SGDUMP?  What are their 
statuses?  ENABLED?  QUINEW?  DISNEW?


When you attempt to allocate via 3.2, is that where they go?


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System Dumps and SMS allocation fails

2012-02-10 Thread Ken Leidner
First this is a long entry, but I wanted to have 
all the information here in hope that someone would have the answer.


We are trying to convert to using SMS managed 
volumes for our system dumps since we need the 
LARGE attribute for our large DB2 dumps.  But 
something is preventing the dumps from allocation 
when MVS tries to make the allocation.  What?   HELP!


I can make the allocation find from 3.2 or even 
IEFBR14 in batch.  Correct volumes correct size – 
all is well, but MVS still fails when it 
tries.  (using just the dataclas, storclas and mgmtclas in the allocation)


SMS volumes are 2 empty mod-9 (other than VTOC, 
VTOCIX and VVDS).with largest free space as 9,993 cylinders on each one.


Here are the messages we receive when a dump 
occurs.  All standard messages, other than I 
cannot explain the DO NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT SPACE 
message.  Plus the messages after that are 
odd!  The IEF196I IGD100I message. The address 
D913 is for volume SYX5D1 (one of the non SMS 
volumes).  The dataclass is also not the one in 
parmlib.  Maybe this is just a sequence “error” 
in that this message should appear after the WILL TRY VOLUME ALLOCATION.


Any help in what the meaning of the message below 
is trying to tell me or where and what to look up would be helpful


DYNALLOC FAILED RETURN CODE=04 ERROR RSN CODE=970C INFO RSN CODE=

The messages

IGD17272I VOLUME SELECTION HAS FAILED FOR INSUFFICIENT SPACE FOR
DATA SET ZP.DUMP.PLXB.S9
JOBNAME (DUMPSRV ) STEPNAME (DUMPSRV )
PROGNAME (IEAVTDSV) DDNAME (SYS00016)
REQUESTED SPACE QUANTITY = 2311283 KB
STORCLAS (SCDUMP) MGMTCLAS (MCDUMP) DATACLAS (DCDUMP) STORGRPS (SGDUMP )
IKJ56893I DATA SET ZP.DUMP.PLXB.S9 NOT ALLOCATED+
IGD17273I ALLOCATION HAS FAILED FOR ALL VOLUMES 
SELECTED FOR DATA SET ZP.DUMP.PLXB.S9

IGD17277I THERE ARE (2) CANDIDATE VOLUMES OF WHICH (2) ARE ENABLED OR QUIESCED
IGD17290I THERE WERE 1 CANDIDATE STORAGE GROUPS OF WHICH THE FIRST 1
WERE ELIGIBLE FOR VOLUME SELECTION.
THE CANDIDATE STORAGE GROUPS WERE:SGDUMP
IGD17279I 2 VOLUMES WERE REJECTED BECAUSE THEY 
DID NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT SPACE (041A041D)



IEF196I IGD100I D913 ALLOCATED TO DDNAME SYS00017 DATACLAS (DCDFALT)
IEA799I AUTOMATIC ALLOCATION OF SVC DUMP DATASET FAILED 168
DUMPID=009 REQUESTED BY JOB (*MASTER*)
DYNALLOC FAILED RETURN CODE=04 ERROR RSN CODE=970C INFO RSN CODE=
SMS RSN CODE=4379, WILL TRY VOLUME ALLOCATION


Here is the parmlib entries for the dumps.  Note 
that the VOL parameter is for the old non SMS 
volumes that we “use to use” – still do since SMS isn’t working.


COM='DD ALLOC=ACTIVE'
COM='DD ADD,SMS=(DATA=DCDUMP,MGMT=MCDUMP,STOR=SCDUMP)'
COM='DD ADD,VOL=(SYX5D1,SYX5D2)'
COM='DD NAME=ZP.DUMP.PLXB.SSEQ.'
COM='CD SET,SDUMP=(ALLPSA,NUC,SQA,LSQA,RGN,LPA,TRT,SWA,CSA,SUM),Q=NO'
COM='CD SET,SDUMP=(XESDATA)'
COM='CD SET,SDUMP=(GRSQ)'
COM='CD SET,SDUMP,MAXSPACE=2816M'


The complete dataclass - The space is large 
128,000 tracks or 6,240,000 KB.  Do I even need 
to code the space?  LRECL?  RECFM?


Data Class Name : DCDUMP
Description :
Recfm . . . . . . . . . : FBS
Lrecl . . . . . . . . . : 4160
Override Space . . . . . : NO
Space Avgrec . . . . . . : K
Avg Value . . . . : 24960
Primary . . . . . : 250
Secondary . . . . : 60
Directory . . . . :
Retpd Or Expdt . . . . . :
Volume Count . . . . . . :
Add'l Volume Amount . . :
Data Set Name Type . . . . . : LARGE
If Extended . . . . . . . . :
Extended Addressability . . : NO
Record Access Bias . . . . :
Space Constraint Relief . . . : NO
Reduce Space Up To (%) . . :
Dynamic Volume Count . . . :
Compaction . . . . . . . . . :
Spanned / Nonspanned . . . . :
Media Interchange
Media Type . . . . . . . . :
Recording Technology . . . :
Performance Scaling . . . . :
Performance Segmentation . :
Encryption Management
Key Label 1:
Encoding for Key Label 1 :
Key Label 2:
Encoding for Key Label 2 :
System Managed Buffer . . . :
System Determined Blocksize : YES
Block Size Limit . . . . . . :
EATTR . . . . . . . . . . . :
Recorg . . . . . . . . . . . :
Keylen . . . . . . . . . . . :
Keyoff . . . . . . . . . . . :
CIsize Data . . . . . . . . :
% Freespace CI . . . . . . . :
CA . . . . . . . :
Shareoptions Xregion . . . . :
Xsystem . . . . :
Reuse . . . . . . . . . . . : NO
Initial Load . . . . . . . . : RECOVERY
BWO . . . . . . . . . . . . :
Log . . . . . . . . . . . . :
Logstream Id . . . . . . . . :
FRlog . . . . . . . . . . . :
RLS CF Cache Value . . . . . : ALL
RLS Above the 2-GB Bar . . . : NO
Extent Constraint Removal . : NO
CA Reclaim . . . . . . . . . : YES


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Re: System Dumps and SMS allocation fails

2012-02-10 Thread Hervey Martinez
When allocating files via SMS, the SMS attributes then either have to be 
explicitly assigned or allowed to be assigned. You mention that the DC is one 
that is not listed in the parmlib and the volume is a non-sms volume; thus, 
check your ACS routines for the SMS allocation of these files.

Thanks,
 
Hervey


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Subject: System Dumps and SMS allocation fails

First this is a long entry, but I wanted to have 
all the information here in hope that someone would have the answer.

We are trying to convert to using SMS managed 
volumes for our system dumps since we need the 
LARGE attribute for our large DB2 dumps.  But 
something is preventing the dumps from allocation 
when MVS tries to make the allocation.  What?   HELP!

I can make the allocation find from 3.2 or even 
IEFBR14 in batch.  Correct volumes correct size - 
all is well, but MVS still fails when it 
tries.  (using just the dataclas, storclas and mgmtclas in the allocation)

SMS volumes are 2 empty mod-9 (other than VTOC, 
VTOCIX and VVDS).with largest free space as 9,993 cylinders on each one.

Here are the messages we receive when a dump 
occurs.  All standard messages, other than I 
cannot explain the DO NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT SPACE 
message.  Plus the messages after that are 
odd!  The IEF196I IGD100I message. The address 
D913 is for volume SYX5D1 (one of the non SMS 
volumes).  The dataclass is also not the one in 
parmlib.  Maybe this is just a sequence error 
in that this message should appear after the WILL TRY VOLUME ALLOCATION.

Any help in what the meaning of the message below 
is trying to tell me or where and what to look up would be helpful

DYNALLOC FAILED RETURN CODE=04 ERROR RSN CODE=970C INFO RSN CODE=

The messages

IGD17272I VOLUME SELECTION HAS FAILED FOR INSUFFICIENT SPACE FOR
DATA SET ZP.DUMP.PLXB.S9
JOBNAME (DUMPSRV ) STEPNAME (DUMPSRV )
PROGNAME (IEAVTDSV) DDNAME (SYS00016)
REQUESTED SPACE QUANTITY = 2311283 KB
STORCLAS (SCDUMP) MGMTCLAS (MCDUMP) DATACLAS (DCDUMP) STORGRPS (SGDUMP )
IKJ56893I DATA SET ZP.DUMP.PLXB.S9 NOT ALLOCATED+
IGD17273I ALLOCATION HAS FAILED FOR ALL VOLUMES 
SELECTED FOR DATA SET ZP.DUMP.PLXB.S9
IGD17277I THERE ARE (2) CANDIDATE VOLUMES OF WHICH (2) ARE ENABLED OR QUIESCED
IGD17290I THERE WERE 1 CANDIDATE STORAGE GROUPS OF WHICH THE FIRST 1
WERE ELIGIBLE FOR VOLUME SELECTION.
THE CANDIDATE STORAGE GROUPS WERE:SGDUMP
IGD17279I 2 VOLUMES WERE REJECTED BECAUSE THEY 
DID NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT SPACE (041A041D)


IEF196I IGD100I D913 ALLOCATED TO DDNAME SYS00017 DATACLAS (DCDFALT)
IEA799I AUTOMATIC ALLOCATION OF SVC DUMP DATASET FAILED 168
DUMPID=009 REQUESTED BY JOB (*MASTER*)
DYNALLOC FAILED RETURN CODE=04 ERROR RSN CODE=970C INFO RSN CODE=
SMS RSN CODE=4379, WILL TRY VOLUME ALLOCATION


Here is the parmlib entries for the dumps.  Note 
that the VOL parameter is for the old non SMS 
volumes that we use to use - still do since SMS isn't working.

COM='DD ALLOC=ACTIVE'
COM='DD ADD,SMS=(DATA=DCDUMP,MGMT=MCDUMP,STOR=SCDUMP)'
COM='DD ADD,VOL=(SYX5D1,SYX5D2)'
COM='DD NAME=ZP.DUMP.PLXB.SSEQ.'
COM='CD SET,SDUMP=(ALLPSA,NUC,SQA,LSQA,RGN,LPA,TRT,SWA,CSA,SUM),Q=NO'
COM='CD SET,SDUMP=(XESDATA)'
COM='CD SET,SDUMP=(GRSQ)'
COM='CD SET,SDUMP,MAXSPACE=2816M'


The complete dataclass - The space is large 
128,000 tracks or 6,240,000 KB.  Do I even need 
to code the space?  LRECL?  RECFM?

Data Class Name : DCDUMP
Description :
Recfm . . . . . . . . . : FBS
Lrecl . . . . . . . . . : 4160
Override Space . . . . . : NO
Space Avgrec . . . . . . : K
Avg Value . . . . : 24960
Primary . . . . . : 250
Secondary . . . . : 60
Directory . . . . :
Retpd Or Expdt . . . . . :
Volume Count . . . . . . :
Add'l Volume Amount . . :
Data Set Name Type . . . . . : LARGE
If Extended . . . . . . . . :
Extended Addressability . . : NO
Record Access Bias . . . . :
Space Constraint Relief . . . : NO
Reduce Space Up To (%) . . :
Dynamic Volume Count . . . :
Compaction . . . . . . . . . :
Spanned / Nonspanned . . . . :
Media Interchange
Media Type . . . . . . . . :
Recording Technology . . . :
Performance Scaling . . . . :
Performance Segmentation . :
Encryption Management
Key Label 1:
Encoding for Key Label 1 :
Key Label 2:
Encoding for Key Label 2 :
System Managed Buffer . . . :
System Determined Blocksize : YES
Block Size Limit . . . . . . :
EATTR . . . . . . . . . . . :
Recorg . . . . . . . . . . . :
Keylen . . . . . . . . . . . :
Keyoff . . . . . . . . . . . :
CIsize Data . . . . . . . . :
% Freespace CI . . . . . . . :
CA . . . . . . . :
Shareoptions Xregion . . . . :
Xsystem . . . . :
Reuse . . . . . . . . . . . : NO
Initial Load . . . . . . . . : RECOVERY
BWO . . . . . . . . . . . . :
Log . . . . . . . . . . . . :
Logstream Id . . . . . . . . :
FRlog . . . . . . . . . . . :
RLS CF Cache Value . . . . . : ALL
RLS Above the 2-GB Bar

Re: System Dumps and SMS allocation fails

2012-02-10 Thread Ken Leidner
I think you miss understood the comment.  The message STORCLAS 
(SCDUMP) MGMTCLAS (MCDUMP) DATACLAS (DCDUMP) STORGRPS (SGDUMP )  has 
all of the correct attributes.
This message IEF196I IGD100I D913 ALLOCATED TO DDNAME SYS00017 
DATACLAS (DCDFALT)

IEA799I AUTOMATIC ALLOCATION OF SVC DUMP DATASET FAILED 168
Has both the non sms volume address D(13 and the wrong dataclass 
(DCDFALT) for the SMS allocation.



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Re: System Dumps and SMS allocation fails

2012-02-10 Thread Mike Schwab
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Ken Leidner kleid...@earthlink.net wrote:

deleted
 REQUESTED SPACE QUANTITY = 2311283 KB
note 2.2 GB or so
deleted
 The complete dataclass - The space is large 128,000 tracks or 6,240,000 KB.
  Do I even need to code the space?  LRECL?  RECFM?

 Data Class Name : DCDUMP
 Description :
 Recfm . . . . . . . . . : FBS
 Lrecl . . . . . . . . . : 4160
 Override Space . . . . . : NO
 Space Avgrec . . . . . . : K
 Avg Value . . . . : 24960
 Primary . . . . . : 250
 Secondary . . . . : 60
 Directory . . . . :
deleted
note 24960 * 250 * 1024 (K) = 6,389,760,000 bytes.  Correct?

As an experiment I might try cutting your primary amount to under 4GB (140,70).
-- 
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Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all?

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Re: System Dumps and SMS allocation fails

2012-02-10 Thread retired mainframer
:: -Original Message-
:: From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On
:: Behalf Of Ken Leidner
:: Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 8:06 AM
:: To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
:: Subject: System Dumps and SMS allocation fails
::
:: First this is a long entry, but I wanted to have
:: all the information here in hope that someone would have the answer.
::
:: We are trying to convert to using SMS managed
:: volumes for our system dumps since we need the
:: LARGE attribute for our large DB2 dumps.  But
:: something is preventing the dumps from allocation
:: when MVS tries to make the allocation.  What?   HELP!
::
:: I can make the allocation find from 3.2 or even
:: IEFBR14 in batch.  Correct volumes correct size -
:: all is well, but MVS still fails when it
:: tries.  (using just the dataclas, storclas and mgmtclas in the
:: allocation)
::
:: SMS volumes are 2 empty mod-9 (other than VTOC,
:: VTOCIX and VVDS).with largest free space as 9,993 cylinders on each one.
::
:: Here are the messages we receive when a dump
:: occurs.  All standard messages, other than I
:: cannot explain the DO NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT SPACE
:: message.  Plus the messages after that are
:: odd!  The IEF196I IGD100I message. The address
:: D913 is for volume SYX5D1 (one of the non SMS
:: volumes).  The dataclass is also not the one in
:: parmlib.  Maybe this is just a sequence error
:: in that this message should appear after the WILL TRY VOLUME ALLOCATION.

The IEF196I IGD100I message is for a different DD name (SYS00017) and
reflects a successful allocation.  The fact that it is interspersed with the
messages for the dump (SYS00016) is probably just an unfortunate
coincidence.

::
:: Any help in what the meaning of the message below
:: is trying to tell me or where and what to look up would be helpful
::
:: DYNALLOC FAILED RETURN CODE=04 ERROR RSN CODE=970C INFO RSN CODE=
::
:: The messages
::
:: IGD17272I VOLUME SELECTION HAS FAILED FOR INSUFFICIENT SPACE FOR
:: DATA SET ZP.DUMP.PLXB.S9
:: JOBNAME (DUMPSRV ) STEPNAME (DUMPSRV )
:: PROGNAME (IEAVTDSV) DDNAME (SYS00016)
:: REQUESTED SPACE QUANTITY = 2311283 KB
:: STORCLAS (SCDUMP) MGMTCLAS (MCDUMP) DATACLAS (DCDUMP) STORGRPS (SGDUMP )
:: IKJ56893I DATA SET ZP.DUMP.PLXB.S9 NOT ALLOCATED+
:: IGD17273I ALLOCATION HAS FAILED FOR ALL VOLUMES
:: SELECTED FOR DATA SET ZP.DUMP.PLXB.S9
:: IGD17277I THERE ARE (2) CANDIDATE VOLUMES OF WHICH (2) ARE ENABLED OR
:: QUIESCED
:: IGD17290I THERE WERE 1 CANDIDATE STORAGE GROUPS OF WHICH THE FIRST 1
:: WERE ELIGIBLE FOR VOLUME SELECTION.
:: THE CANDIDATE STORAGE GROUPS WERE:SGDUMP
:: IGD17279I 2 VOLUMES WERE REJECTED BECAUSE THEY
:: DID NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT SPACE (041A041D)
::
::
:: IEF196I IGD100I D913 ALLOCATED TO DDNAME SYS00017 DATACLAS (DCDFALT)
:: IEA799I AUTOMATIC ALLOCATION OF SVC DUMP DATASET FAILED 168
:: DUMPID=009 REQUESTED BY JOB (*MASTER*)
:: DYNALLOC FAILED RETURN CODE=04 ERROR RSN CODE=970C INFO RSN CODE=
:: SMS RSN CODE=4379, WILL TRY VOLUME ALLOCATION
::
::
:: Here is the parmlib entries for the dumps.  Note
:: that the VOL parameter is for the old non SMS
:: volumes that we use to use - still do since SMS isn't working.
::
:: COM='DD ALLOC=ACTIVE'
:: COM='DD ADD,SMS=(DATA=DCDUMP,MGMT=MCDUMP,STOR=SCDUMP)'
:: COM='DD ADD,VOL=(SYX5D1,SYX5D2)'
:: COM='DD NAME=ZP.DUMP.PLXB.SSEQ.'
:: COM='CD SET,SDUMP=(ALLPSA,NUC,SQA,LSQA,RGN,LPA,TRT,SWA,CSA,SUM),Q=NO'
:: COM='CD SET,SDUMP=(XESDATA)'
:: COM='CD SET,SDUMP=(GRSQ)'
:: COM='CD SET,SDUMP,MAXSPACE=2816M'
::
::
:: The complete dataclass - The space is large
:: 128,000 tracks or 6,240,000 KB.  Do I even need
:: to code the space?  LRECL?  RECFM?
::
:: Data Class Name : DCDUMP
:: Description :
:: Recfm . . . . . . . . . : FBS
:: Lrecl . . . . . . . . . : 4160
:: Override Space . . . . . : NO
:: Space Avgrec . . . . . . : K
:: Avg Value . . . . : 24960
:: Primary . . . . . : 250
:: Secondary . . . . : 60
:: Directory . . . . :
:: Retpd Or Expdt . . . . . :
:: Volume Count . . . . . . :
:: Add'l Volume Amount . . :
:: Data Set Name Type . . . . . : LARGE

With a blocksize of 24960, your 9,993 cylinder free space should hold
7.48GB.   Your dump parameters specify a max size of 2.95GB so it should
fit.  The message states the dump is requesting 2.36GB which also should
fit.  The primary space allocation in the dataclass is 6.38GB which is close
to the total free space but not that close.

Is it possible that the allocation request from the dump is somehow
specifying the need for a secondary extent?  Each secondary extent requires
an additional 1.53GB.  Just one secondary puts the total at 7.92GB which
exceeds the 7.48GB total free space.

Given the dump parameter of 2.95GB, maybe you should change the dataclass to
specify half the current primary amount.

Is the SMS default geometry set to 3390?

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Re: System Dumps and SMS allocation fails

2012-02-10 Thread Jim Mulder
First this is a long entry, but I wanted to have 
all the information here in hope that someone would have the answer.

We are trying to convert to using SMS managed 
volumes for our system dumps since we need the 
LARGE attribute for our large DB2 dumps.  But 
something is preventing the dumps from allocation 
when MVS tries to make the allocation.  What?   HELP!

  In z/OS 1.13, SDUMP specifies the DSNTYPE=LARGE
text unit when dynamically allocating a dump data set, if the 
dump data set size is larger than 64k tracks. 

  Prior to z/OS 1.13, for dump data sets larger then 64k tracks, you would
need to use your SMS ACS routines to change the DSNTYPE to
EXTENDED (or maybe you can also change it to LARGE). 

Jim Mulder   z/OS System Test   IBM Corp.  Poughkeepsie,  NY

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