Re: Isn't it time you set up a listserver for English/Latin pedantery? (was: The plural of 'virus')
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Re: The plural of 'virus'
After that last effort I decided I'd better see who had trodden on Johns corns and caused him to fire up again. Dave, Dave, Dave ... Next time we bump into each other in a bar this should keep us suitably entertained. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: The plural of 'virus'
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Shane Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 5:44 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: The plural of 'virus' After that last effort I decided I'd better see who had trodden on Johns corns and caused him to fire up again. Dave, Dave, Dave ... That's a plan. I never had the opportunity to drop into Latin, let alone drop out. At the risk of another language lesson, c'est la vie. Next time we bump into each other in a bar this should keep us suitably entertained. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: The plural of 'virus'
Latin is a dead language It's dead as it can be First it killed the Romans And now it's killing me. Tom Puddicombe Mainframe Performance Capacity Planning CSC 71 Deerfield Rd, Meriden, CT 06450 ITIS | (860) 428-3252 | tpudd...@csc.com | www.csc.com This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such purpose. From: Gibney, Dave gib...@wsu.edu To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 04/13/2011 11:11 AM Subject: Re: The plural of 'virus' -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Shane Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 5:44 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: The plural of 'virus' After that last effort I decided I'd better see who had trodden on Johns corns and caused him to fire up again. Dave, Dave, Dave ... That's a plan. I never had the opportunity to drop into Latin, let alone drop out. At the risk of another language lesson, c'est la vie. Next time we bump into each other in a bar this should keep us suitably entertained. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: The plural of 'virus'
wow - good thing I didn't say I thought it was 4th declension. but then I don't trust most 50yr old memories even those from Latin School. I toured my high school 2 yrs ago during 50th reunion and the thing looks a lot smaller inside than I remember. It was nice to see places in the building that had never been remodeled :-) IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 04/12/2011 07:53:45 PM: We have been around this way before. The latin word 'virus' is an uncommon 2nd-declension neuter noun. (Most 2nd-declension neuter nouns end in 'um' in the nominative singular.) Thus 'virus' has no latin plural. If one is needed in English 'viruses' is available. The very common latin word 'vir', man, has the nominative plural 'viri', men. Moreover, 'ii' is impossible qua suffix: it can occur only when a stem ends in 'i', as in radius==radii. Latin dropouts would indeed be well advised to avoid attempting to form the plural of -us words. They are too problematic: the singular 'opus' has the plural 'opera'; the singular 'octopus' has the plural 'octopodes', etc., etc. It is far better, albeit subliterate, to speak of octopuses than of octopi. John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817 USA - The information contained in this communication (including any attachments hereto) is confidential and is intended solely for the personal and confidential use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, dissemination, copying, or unauthorized use of this information, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. Thank you -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: The plural of 'virus'
Latin is not dead. Many people converse in Latin around the world, especially within Vatican City. There is also a radio news broadcast in Latin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuntii_Latini At least one American public high school has conversational Latin classes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVBN0_UOL6I Thomas Jefferson began studying Latin and Greek when he was six years old. This was normal in the 1740s. Bill Fairchild Rocket Software -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Thomas H Puddicombe Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 12:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: The plural of 'virus' Latin is a dead language It's dead as it can be First it killed the Romans And now it's killing me. Tom Puddicombe Mainframe Performance Capacity Planning CSC 71 Deerfield Rd, Meriden, CT 06450 ITIS | (860) 428-3252 | tpudd...@csc.com | www.csc.com This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such purpose. From: Gibney, Dave gib...@wsu.edu To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 04/13/2011 11:11 AM Subject: Re: The plural of 'virus' -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Shane Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 5:44 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: The plural of 'virus' After that last effort I decided I'd better see who had trodden on Johns corns and caused him to fire up again. Dave, Dave, Dave ... That's a plan. I never had the opportunity to drop into Latin, let alone drop out. At the risk of another language lesson, c'est la vie. Next time we bump into each other in a bar this should keep us suitably entertained. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: The plural of 'virus'
Especially since I have read that Washington, Jefferson and their crew wanted to originally model the republic after the old Greek form of government. On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Bill Fairchild bi...@mainstar.com wrote: Latin is not dead. Many people converse in Latin around the world, especially within Vatican City. There is also a radio news broadcast in Latin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuntii_Latini At least one American public high school has conversational Latin classes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVBN0_UOL6I Thomas Jefferson began studying Latin and Greek when he was six years old. This was normal in the 1740s. Bill Fairchild Rocket Software -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Thomas H Puddicombe Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 12:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: The plural of 'virus' Latin is a dead language It's dead as it can be First it killed the Romans And now it's killing me. Tom Puddicombe Mainframe Performance Capacity Planning CSC 71 Deerfield Rd, Meriden, CT 06450 ITIS | (860) 428-3252 | tpudd...@csc.com | www.csc.com This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such purpose. From: Gibney, Dave gib...@wsu.edu To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 04/13/2011 11:11 AM Subject: Re: The plural of 'virus' -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Shane Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 5:44 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: The plural of 'virus' After that last effort I decided I'd better see who had trodden on Johns corns and caused him to fire up again. Dave, Dave, Dave ... That's a plan. I never had the opportunity to drop into Latin, let alone drop out. At the risk of another language lesson, c'est la vie. Next time we bump into each other in a bar this should keep us suitably entertained. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: The plural of 'virus'
At least one American public high school has conversational Latin classes There was a recent contest in Toronto. The T-Shirts, worn by the team of the winning high school, was inscribed with the motto: Quis est patris vobis? Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry device on the Bell network. Envoyé sans fil par mon terminal mobile BlackBerry sur le réseau de Bell. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
The plural of 'virus'
We have been around this way before. The latin word 'virus' is an uncommon 2nd-declension neuter noun. (Most 2nd-declension neuter nouns end in 'um' in the nominative singular.) Thus 'virus' has no latin plural. If one is needed in English 'viruses' is available. The very common latin word 'vir', man, has the nominative plural 'viri', men. Moreover, 'ii' is impossible qua suffix: it can occur only when a stem ends in 'i', as in radius==radii. Latin dropouts would indeed be well advised to avoid attempting to form the plural of -us words. They are too problematic: the singular 'opus' has the plural 'opera'; the singular 'octopus' has the plural 'octopodes', etc., etc. It is far better, albeit subliterate, to speak of octopuses than of octopi. John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817 USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: The plural of 'virus'
What? Did you get the license plates? On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 7:53 PM, john gilmore john_w_gilm...@msn.comwrote: We have been around this way before. The latin word 'virus' is an uncommon 2nd-declension neuter noun. (Most 2nd-declension neuter nouns end in 'um' in the nominative singular.) Thus 'virus' has no latin plural. If one is needed in English 'viruses' is available. The very common latin word 'vir', man, has the nominative plural 'viri', men. Moreover, 'ii' is impossible qua suffix: it can occur only when a stem ends in 'i', as in radius==radii. Latin dropouts would indeed be well advised to avoid attempting to form the plural of -us words. They are too problematic: the singular 'opus' has the plural 'opera'; the singular 'octopus' has the plural 'octopodes', etc., etc. It is far better, albeit subliterate, to speak of octopuses than of octopi. John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817 USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Those who can make you believe religious absurdities, can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. Denis Diderot Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. Denis Diderot -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: The plural of 'virus'
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Roberto Halais roberto.hal...@gmail.com wrote: What? Did you get the license plates? John has been edumacating us for quite some time now. On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 7:53 PM, john gilmore john_w_gilm...@msn.comwrote: We have been around this way before. The latin word 'virus' is an uncommon 2nd-declension neuter noun. (Most 2nd-declension neuter nouns end in 'um' in the nominative singular.) Thus 'virus' has no latin plural. If one is needed in English 'viruses' is available. The very common latin word 'vir', man, has the nominative plural 'viri', men. Moreover, 'ii' is impossible qua suffix: it can occur only when a stem ends in 'i', as in radius==radii. Latin dropouts would indeed be well advised to avoid attempting to form the plural of -us words. They are too problematic: the singular 'opus' has the plural 'opera'; the singular 'octopus' has the plural 'octopodes', etc., etc. It is far better, albeit subliterate, to speak of octopuses than of octopi. John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817 USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Those who can make you believe religious absurdities, can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. Denis Diderot Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. Denis Diderot -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: The plural of 'virus'
Sounds like some awlful disease, geeez Scott J Ford From: Sam Siegel s...@pscsi.net To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011 9:09:06 PM Subject: Re: The plural of 'virus' On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Roberto Halais roberto.hal...@gmail.com wrote: What? Did you get the license plates? John has been edumacating us for quite some time now. On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 7:53 PM, john gilmore john_w_gilm...@msn.comwrote: We have been around this way before. The latin word 'virus' is an uncommon 2nd-declension neuter noun. (Most 2nd-declension neuter nouns end in 'um' in the nominative singular.) Thus 'virus' has no latin plural. If one is needed in English 'viruses' is available. The very common latin word 'vir', man, has the nominative plural 'viri', men. Moreover, 'ii' is impossible qua suffix: it can occur only when a stem ends in 'i', as in radius==radii. Latin dropouts would indeed be well advised to avoid attempting to form the plural of -us words. They are too problematic: the singular 'opus' has the plural 'opera'; the singular 'octopus' has the plural 'octopodes', etc., etc. It is far better, albeit subliterate, to speak of octopuses than of octopi. John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817 USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Those who can make you believe religious absurdities, can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. Denis Diderot Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. Denis Diderot -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
