Re: IBM-Main future options - was Topic denotation suggestion (a Virtual Darren)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/14/2008 at 09:29 AM, Aaron Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I've always thought that a slashdot-type interface (http://slashdot.org/) would be much more useful, It would be a death blow for people that work offline. Web interfaces tend to be slow and clunky, even when you have broadband. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Topic denotation suggestion (a Virtual Darren)
And end Friday topics on friday 23:59 hrs. Why do we have Friday topics? They go beyond Friday. I know I have a tendency to respond to OT topics, but can't we just drop them and use this as an IBM Mainframe Discussion List? - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Topic denotation suggestion (a Virtual Darren)
tony babonas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Let's start marking our subject lines On Topic in order to identify the few posts that actually relate to IBM mainframe software and topics. ;-D And end Friday topics on friday 23:59 hrs. Kees. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Topic denotation suggestion (a Virtual Darren)
Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:890574714-1200299005-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-6776 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... And end Friday topics on friday 23:59 hrs. Why do we have Friday topics? They go beyond Friday. I know I have a tendency to respond to OT topics, but can't we just drop them and use this as an IBM Mainframe Discussion List? - There is a theory, that friday afternoon you should drop all your work, put your feet on your desk and think about everything and nothing that has more of less to do with your work. This opens your mind and friday topics fit in to this, I like them and they sometimes give you another view on even mainframe related subject. However they should have the requirement that they don't last longer than friday. Kees. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Topic denotation suggestion (a Virtual Darren)
And end Friday topics on Friday 23:59 hrs Would that be CET GMT ET Very difficult to end a topic until everyone had his say about the topic, Maybe what needs to happen is topics like this should be limited to 3 / 4 entries per lister... Also if a topic veers off the original path... Add the OT: somewhere in it so that the conscientious that does not want the noise can kill it with a spam-killer. In my opinion it will only be 10% of the people that will actually do the latter, but still, it would open opportunity. Herbie -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM Sent: 14 Januarie 2008 08:13 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Topic denotation suggestion (a Virtual Darren) tony babonas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Let's start marking our subject lines On Topic in order to identify the few posts that actually relate to IBM mainframe software and topics. ;-D And end Friday topics on friday 23:59 hrs. Kees. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Elavon Financial Services Limited Registered in Ireland: Number 418442 Registered Office: Block E, 1st Floor, Cherrywood Business Park, Loughlinstown, Co. Dublin, Ireland Directors: Robert Abele (USA), John Collins, Terrance Dolan (USA), Pamela Joseph (USA), Declan Lynch, John McNally, Malcolm Towlson Elavon Financial Services Limited, trading as Elavon, is regulated by the Financial Regulator -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Topic denotation suggestion (a Virtual Darren)
Van Dalsen, Herbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ... And end Friday topics on Friday 23:59 hrs Would that be CET GMT ET Well, make it monday morning, any timezone. If needed the subject can be changed to an on-topic item. Very difficult to end a topic until everyone had his say about the topic, Maybe what needs to happen is topics like this should be limited to 3 / 4 entries per lister... Also if a topic veers off the original path... Add the OT: somewhere in it so that the conscientious that does not want the noise can kill it with a spam-killer. OT's by definition don't belong in this or any group. We talk about loosely-on-topic or remotely-related subjects. Kees. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Topic denotation suggestion (a Virtual Darren)
On 14 Jan 2008 05:30:50 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main (Message-ID:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Van Dalsen, Herbie) wrote: Also if a topic veers off the original path... Add the OT: somewhere in it so that the conscientious that does not want the noise can kill it with a spam-killer. I *started* one of those off-topic threads with OT: in the Subject. Someone replying removed the OT:. The mutated Subject then got over twice the FUPs the original did. BTW, I am sorry about that thread. If I had thought it would generate even half of those FUPs, I wouldn't have posted it. -- I cannot receive mail at the address this was sent from. To reply directly, send to ar23hur at intergate dot com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
IBM-Main future options - was Topic denotation suggestion (a Virtual Darren)
I've always thought that a slashdot-type interface (http://slashdot.org/) would be much more useful, especially in sifting out the chaff. Somebody with some time, hardware and bandwidth could adopt/adapt the slash code (open source), call it Ready Prompt **, and the future would be your oyster. Maybe even run it on z/OS. Aaron -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Topic denotation suggestion (a Virtual Darren)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Arthur T. On 14 Jan 2008 05:30:50 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main Van Dalsen, Herbie wrote: Also if a topic veers off the original path... Add the OT: somewhere in it so that the conscientious that does not want the noise can kill it with a spam-killer. I *started* one of those off-topic threads with OT: in the Subject. Someone replying removed the OT:. The mutated Subject then got over twice the FUPs the original did. BTW, I am sorry about that thread. If I had thought it would generate even half of those FUPs, I wouldn't have posted it. Once upon a time somebody started (offered to start?) a list named IBM-MAIN-OT or similar. It went over like a lead ballon, perhaps in part because IBM-MAIN itself is not moderated. Perhaps the time is ripe(r)? -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Topic denotation suggestion (a Virtual Darren)
Let's start marking our subject lines On Topic in order to identify the few posts that actually relate to IBM mainframe software and topics. ;-D No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1219 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 10:19 AM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS Position Opening (Approved by Darren)
Please post the hourly rate. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
z/OS Position Opening (Approved by Darren)
Email resume, questions, concerns to [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have a z/OS Systems Services position open in a contract to hire situation. We are very network centric; the mainframe is the network hub with communication responsibility to/from our international locations and to/from our direct customers worldwide. Skill requirements: * VTAM, TCP/IP, SMPE, DFSMS, HCD, WLM, USS * ACF2, JOBTRAC, TMS, TPX, SPOOL/VIEW * CICS, IDMS, MQSeries Position description: * Provide network systems programming support for VTAM, TCP/IP, TPX, cross platform connectivity, and networked printer services. * Provide systems programming support for the suite of CA products, DFSMS, HCD, WLM, and IXGLOGR. * Provide implementation and verification support for CICS, IDMS, MQseries. Environment: * z800 2066 * z/OS V1R7, Production LPAR, Test LPAR John Donnelly z/OS Systems Services National Semiconductor Corporation 2900 Semiconductor Drive Santa Clara, CA 95051 PH: 408-721-5640 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Time Change and Darren
Its probably past time to start up another discussion about the upcoming time change in the US, but I'll be the one to kick it off if someone hasn't already in the past 24 hours. Darren, its my fault. Thanks for the great service you and your school have provided to all of us. This will be the first fall where my shop has run with the clock set to GMT. We plan to use the SET TIMEZONE cmd to update the offset on Sunday. However, we've located two SMTP items on z/OS which look like they require manual editing: The SMTPDATA member in SYS1.TCPPARMS and the SMTPNOTE Clist member in TCPIP.SEZAINST for z/OS v1.7. We plan to bounce the SMTPSERV address space to pick up its new parms and refresh LLA after updating the SMTPNOTE clist. Do others handle these differently or have items I've left out? Ben Alford Enterprise Systems Programming University of Tennessee -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Time Change and Darren
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:52:11 EDT, Ben Alford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This will be the first fall where my shop has run with the clock set to GMT. We plan to use the SET TIMEZONE cmd to update the offset on Sunday. However, we've located two SMTP items on z/OS which look like they require manual editing: The SMTPDATA member in SYS1.TCPPARMS and the SMTPNOTE Clist member in TCPIP.SEZAINST for z/OS v1.7. We plan to bounce the SMTPSERV address space to pick up its new parms and refresh LLA after updating the SMTPNOTE clist. Do others handle these differently or have items I've left out? SMTPDATA? Is that what you point to in STSTCPD for your SMTP proc? Ours points to TCPDATA. Since you have the timezone command, you must also be running on a version that has SMTPNOTE that allows for SYSTZ usage. Have a look at hlq.SEZAINST(SMTPNOTE). Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Time Change and Darren
Our STSTCPD DD statement points to hlq.TCPPARMS(TCPDATA) also. It is the CONFIG DD statement in our SMTP proc which points to the SMTPDATA parm which contains the TIMEZONE variable. Mark, you were correct about the 1.7 level SMTPNOTE clist supporting the SYSTZ variable. We apparently have a down-level local version instead of the 1.7 version. So the CLIST can run now w/o further biannual changes. Ben Alford University of Tennessee -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Time Change and Darren
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:11:48 -0500, Ben Alford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our STSTCPD DD statement points to hlq.TCPPARMS(TCPDATA) also. It is the CONFIG DD statement in our SMTP proc which points to the SMTPDATA parm which contains the TIMEZONE variable. Ok. The config parms also support TIMEZONE SYSTZ. Mark, you were correct about the 1.7 level SMTPNOTE clist supporting the SYSTZ variable. We apparently have a down-level local version instead of the 1.7 version. So the CLIST can run now w/o further biannual changes. Sounds good. Cheers, Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Time Change and Darren
Mark Zelden wrote: Since you have the timezone command, you must also be running on a version that has SMTPNOTE that allows for SYSTZ usage. Have a look at hlq.SEZAINST(SMTPNOTE). I wonder why the authors of SMTPNOTE implemented that GetTZ routine. In my experience, if you leave the Date: line off completely, SMTP automatically supplies that information. And, with TIMEZONE SYSTZ, the SMTP-supplied value should always be correct. No? -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Time Change and Darren
Edward Jaffe wrote: Mark Zelden wrote: Since you have the timezone command, you must also be running on a version that has SMTPNOTE that allows for SYSTZ usage. Have a look at hlq.SEZAINST(SMTPNOTE). I wonder why the authors of SMTPNOTE implemented that GetTZ routine. In my experience, if you leave the Date: line off completely, SMTP automatically supplies that information. And, with TIMEZONE SYSTZ, the SMTP-supplied value should always be correct. No? This is true, but there is one problem. The date added by SMTP has a 2 digit year, and some mailers reject it. I opened a problem on this, and IBM said another customer had already complained about this, and they were considering changing it. Don't know if they will, or when. The default SMTPNOTE may have the same problem, I don't use it, and haven't checked, but you could always change it yourself. -- Richard -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Time Change and Darren
Richard Peurifoy wrote: This is true, but there is one problem. The date added by SMTP has a 2 digit year, and some mailers reject it. I opened a problem on this, and IBM said another customer had already complained about this, and they were considering changing it. Don't know if they will, or when. Interesting. We use z/OS SMTP to send all of our customer license codes and have (AFAIK) never had mail rejected for this reason. (Just lucky I guess.) As you've said, the date supplied by SMTP does use a two-digit year. Date: Thu, 01 Nov 07 15:18:54 -0700 -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Time Change and Darren
Edward Jaffe wrote: Richard Peurifoy wrote: This is true, but there is one problem. The date added by SMTP has a 2 digit year, and some mailers reject it. I opened a problem on this, and IBM said another customer had already complained about this, and they were considering changing it. Don't know if they will, or when. Interesting. We use z/OS SMTP to send all of our customer license codes and have (AFAIK) never had mail rejected for this reason. (Just lucky I guess.) As you've said, the date supplied by SMTP does use a two-digit year. Date: Thu, 01 Nov 07 15:18:54 -0700 I've only had one mailer reject it, but I did check the RFC, and it is at least suggested if not required (don't remember) that 4 digit years be used. The one that rejected it claimed it was some sort of spam filter. Didn't make a lot of sense to me, but what ya gonna do. -- Richard -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: From Darren: Braindead content analyzers
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote on 7/14/2006 4:25 AM: BTW, the same applies to out-of-office and other autoresponders; it is abusive for them to autorespond to list traffic. I'm the listowner for ISPF-L, a list with (only) 500-600 subscribers and much much lower traffic than IBM-MAIN. However, my tolerance for autoresponders is nil. If your autoresponder responds to the list, I will probably set your subscription to DIGEST. If it happens again and I realize it's not the first time, you may be deleted from the list (or set to NOMAIL). My tolerance for autoresponders responding to list mail is so low in fact, that the above applies if I get responses back directly when I post to the list. Nobody posting to a discussion list should have to get bombarded with a bunch of out-of-office replies because either the autoresponder is a piece of junk or the user didn't properly configure it. It's either use a different address or get your mail administrators to lighten up. Either way the recipients should get their mail administrators to fix their broken configurations before they wind up being blocked. Exactly. And if they can't, Darren's point is that they need to subscribe from somewhere else that isn't list-unfriendly. At my last job, I never subscribed to mailing lists from my work address, and in hindsight, that was a really good decision. I never received any spam at all to that work address. Makes me wonder what other mail I didn't receive, and/or wouldn't have received if I had discussion list subscriptions at that address. /Leonard -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: From Darren: Braindead content analyzers
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 07/14/2006 at 12:12 PM, Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I understand that the problem was not with the posting, but Darren said that he might be asking some people to post from a different email address. Not that I saw. He wrote I'm going to have to start asking some subscribers to use a less restrictive email address., which clearly refers to the *recipient*, NOT to the sender. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: From Darren: Braindead content analyzers
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 07/12/2006 at 01:33 PM, Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Maybe it's my configuration, but I don't know how to change it. If I don't press enter I get a long line like this. What long line? It's broken at around column 76, which, while it's longer than I like, is well withing e-mail conventions. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: From Darren: Braindead content analyzers
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 07/12/2006 at 10:10 AM, Darren Evans-Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: This is getting ridiculous. Not just ridiculous, but abusive. I received the following mail rejection notice: Assuming[1] that you received a DSN (bounce) from their mail server rather than a 5xx error response, their mail server is configured to send UBE, e.g., spam. They have no way of knowing whether the reverse path is forged. I report such abusive DSN's to the upstream providers. Ok, the word free was used in the subject and this site rejected it?! Nothing wrong[2] with rejecting it, if done properly, although their user might not appreciate being automatically unsubscribed. What is wrong is sending a separate DSN instead of rejecting the message during the SMTP session. BTW, the same applies to out-of-office and other autoresponders; it is abusive for them to autorespond to list traffic. I have a subscriber from Aetna that everytime they post, I get a flurry of rejections from various sites because they think there is a mail loop. Same thing; it is wrong only because they send a separate DSN instead of rejecting during the session. It would, however, still be massively stupid even if they did it properly. A post from aetna.com goes through about 6 mailers before reaching outside their internal network Nor is that a record. It's either use a different address or get your mail administrators to lighten up. Either way the recipients should get their mail administrators to fix their broken configurations before they wind up being blocked. [1] A safe assumption, given that listserv would not have sent a message to you under those circumstances. [2] As opposed to stupid, which is their right. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: From Darren: Braindead content analyzers
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 07/12/2006 at 10:55 AM, Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Or perhaps use the web interface to post. The problem is not with the posting, it's with the broken mail server receiving the list traffic. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: From Darren: Braindead content analyzers
On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 08:26:49 -0300, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 07/12/2006 at 10:55 AM, Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Or perhaps use the web interface to post. The problem is not with the posting, it's with the broken mail server receiving the list traffic. I understand that the problem was not with the posting, but Darren said that he might be asking some people to post from a different email address. I was simply offering another alternative. Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
From Darren: Braindead content analyzers
This is getting ridiculous. I received the following mail rejection notice: - - - - - The following message sent by this account has violated system policy: Connection From: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:37:50 -0400 Subject: Multiprise 2003-104 Mainframe available free The following violations were detected: --- Subject Block information follows --- Subject: Multiprise 2003-104 Mainframe available free Matching Subject: *free* - - - - - Ok, the word free was used in the subject and this site rejected it?! So, we can't discuss free storage, or free memory, etc? Everytime Bob Richards posts, I get a flurry of rejections because some analyzers thinks his posts are spam. Probably because of the disclaimer that gets put at the end of his posts...not his fault. I have a subscriber from Aetna that everytime they post, I get a flurry of rejections from various sites because they think there is a mail loop. A post from aetna.com goes through about 6 mailers before reaching outside their internal network and by the time you add on the headers here at bama, it exceeds the allowable hop count. I thought the default hop count was in the 20's, but some sites have their hop count set to 10 or less! Gimme a break! I want to stress that these problems are NOT the fault of the poster or even the recipient whose mailer is bouncing. I'm going to have to start asking some subscribers to use a less restrictive email address. I get on average 300-400 rejections a day. I shouldn't have to put up with this. So, if I ask you to subscribe with a different email address, please don't take it personally. It's either use a different address or get your mail administrators to lighten up. ok, I'm done ranting now. Darren -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: From Darren: Braindead content analyzers
On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:10:49 -0500, Darren Evans-Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is getting ridiculous. I received the following mail rejection notice: Snip! I want to stress that these problems are NOT the fault of the poster or even the recipient whose mailer is bouncing. I'm going to have to start asking some subscribers to use a less restrictive email address. I get on average 300-400 rejections a day. I shouldn't have to put up with this. So, if I ask you to subscribe with a different email address, please don't take it personally. It's either use a different address or get your mail administrators to lighten up. ok, I'm done ranting now. Darren Or perhaps use the web interface to post. Now if we could just get the web interface to split up long lines Every time I forget to hit enter at the end of each line I end up with a post that I have to scroll to the right to read. Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: From Darren: Braindead content analyzers
Hmmm. I always post via the web interface, and I never press the ENTER key and always allow the web browser text window to flow my text and for this reason am unsure of the cause of the symptoms you mention. Just to be clear, I never pressed the ENTER key when composing and typing this paragraphuntil now, when I am about to hit ENTER twice. Brian On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:55:58 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote: Or perhaps use the web interface to post. Now if we could just get the web interface to split up long lines Every time I forget to hit enter at the end of each line I end up with a post that I have to scroll to the right to read. Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Long lines/URLs (was: From Darren: Braindead content analyzers)
In a recent note, Tom Marchant said: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:55:58 -0500 Now if we could just get the web interface to split up long lines Every time I forget to hit enter at the end of each line I end up with a post that I have to scroll to the right to read. Things are tough all over. Perhaps your reader should split long lines for display. If the web interface were to split long lines it would likely start breaking long URLs, and I definitely _don't_ want that to happen. BTW, I sneaked in a test yesterday by reformatting Ed Finnell's broken URL as: http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/10/matsushitas-biggest-eva-1 Or, in a form recommended in the Appendix to RFC 1738: URL:http://www.engadget.com/20 06/07/10/matsushitas-biggest-eva-1 I can now report failure. 1738 recommends the latter form for URLs embedded in text documents, and further recommends that the process of extracting the URL ignore white space, both linear and vertical. The bama.ua.edu web interface fails to to this, and attempts to connect to only the fragment of the URL on the first line. Substance for a suggestion to the web server developer? Maybe I'll write to Apache. No, wrong; the fault is in the component that converts input text/plain to text/html. -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: From Darren: Braindead content analyzers
Maybe it's my configuration, but I don't know how to change it. If I don't press enter I get a long line like this. Tom Marchant On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:11:09 -0500, Brian Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm. I always post via the web interface, and I never press the ENTER key and always allow the web browser text window to flow my text and for this reason am unsure of the cause of the symptoms you mention. Just to be clear, I never pressed the ENTER key when composing and typing this paragraphuntil now, when I am about to hit ENTER twice. Brian On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:55:58 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote: Or perhaps use the web interface to post. Now if we could just get the web interface to split up long lines Every time I forget to hit enter at the end of each line I end up with a post that I have to scroll to the right to read. Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: From Darren: Braindead content analyzers
On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:33:39 -0500 Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :Maybe it's my configuration, but I don't know how to change it. If I don't :press enter I get a long line like this. Didn't look long to me. -- Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: From Darren: Braindead content analyzers
hmm... Maybe I'm crazy. On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:33:39 -0500, Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe it's my configuration, but I don't know how to change it. If I don't press enter I get a long line like this. Tom Marchant On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:11:09 -0500, Brian Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm. I always post via the web interface, and I never press the ENTER key and always allow the web browser text window to flow my text and for this reason am unsure of the cause of the symptoms you mention. Just to be clear, I never pressed the ENTER key when composing and typing this paragraphuntil now, when I am about to hit ENTER twice. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: From Darren: Braindead content analyzers
In a message dated 7/12/2006 1:58:26 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hmm... Maybe I'm crazy. Yeah ain't we all? So many combinations of MIME, auto-text, and then Darren's exits sift out the obvious. I just play with the screen size 'til it all lines line up(most of the time) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
To Darren
Darren, I just had a post rejected automatically because it contained an excessive amount of quoted material from previous posts. Can you spell out the criteria here? How is one supposed to keep the thread clear if I cannot quote the originating thoughts? What are the parameters? At least give us some guidelines. Kind regards, -Steve Comstock -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: To Darren
Steve, I fell foul of this sort of problem almost as soon as I started - just a few months ago - posting to this list/group. I was advised by one of the kind contributors to remove the automatically appended four or five lines at the bottom - and all was well. This is my chance to return the favour - in kind. This appears to be one of those misleading messages that is the subject of a parallel thread. Chris Mason P.S. Now to go and X the stuff at the bottom ... - Original Message - From: Steve Comstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Friday, 07 April, 2006 4:56 PM Subject: To Darren Darren, I just had a post rejected automatically because it contained an excessive amount of quoted material from previous posts. Can you spell out the criteria here? How is one supposed to keep the thread clear if I cannot quote the originating thoughts? What are the parameters? At least give us some guidelines. Kind regards, -Steve Comstock -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: To Darren
On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:56:39 -0600, Steve Comstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darren, ... Can you spell out the criteria here? How is one supposed to keep the thread clear if I cannot quote the originating thoughts? What are the parameters? At least give us some guidelines. ... Actually, he HAS provided guidelines. Or maybe they were general Listserver guidelines. How you would find them in the archives I have no idea. Searching on QUOTE and GUIDELINES would probably bury you in hits. Pat O'Keefe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
