Re: VBM to VBA?
---snip--- Yeah Gil..ur right it was IEBGENER...But I heard it could not produce desired output from VBA to FB ---unsnip--- I've never seen any IBM utility that would convert from variable to fixed, or convert the carriage control characters. I've always use a RYO utility, custom built, for those transitions. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VBM to VBA?
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:13:26 -0500, Rick Fochtman wrote: I've never seen any IBM utility that would convert from variable to fixed, ... Have you tried REPRO? ..., or convert the carriage control characters. I've always use a RYO utility, custom built, for those transitions. That, I don't know. I'd not bet on REPRO. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VBM to VBA?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/13/2008 at 09:40 PM, Scott Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I used IEBCOPY to go from VBA to FB, I might believe IEBGENER or IEBPTPCH, but definitely not IEBCOPY. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VBM to VBA?
On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:30:02 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/13/2008 at 09:40 PM, Scott Ford said: I used IEBCOPY to go from VBA to FB, I might believe IEBGENER or IEBPTPCH, but definitely not IEBCOPY. My favorite for copying among dislike attributes is IDCAMS REPRO (AKA TSO REPRO). But I've not tried it for the desired$ M==A transmogrification. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VBM to VBA?
Yeah Gil..ur right it was IEBGENER...But I heard it could not produce desired output from VBA to FB Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer [p] 678.266.3399 x304[m] 609-346-0399 identityforge.com This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately or let us know at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED], and then delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 9:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: VBM to VBA? On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:30:02 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/13/2008 at 09:40 PM, Scott Ford said: I used IEBCOPY to go from VBA to FB, I might believe IEBGENER or IEBPTPCH, but definitely not IEBCOPY. My favorite for copying among dislike attributes is IDCAMS REPRO (AKA TSO REPRO). But I've not tried it for the desired$ M==A transmogrification. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VBM to VBA?
At 15:43 -0500 on 10/13/2008, John McKown wrote about VBM to VBA?: Is there a simple way to convert a DASD dataset which is RECFM=VBM (or FBM) to VBA (or FBA)? We are converting a lot of reports to be ftp'ed to a Windows platform. The program on the Windows platform does not understand machine control and needs the ftp to convert from ANSI control to the appropriate Windows control sequences the way that it does for VBA when the ASAPRINT option is used. In particular, the program needs a control L (form feed) to delimit the pages of the report. There are two ways to do the conversion - The Simple Way and the Complex way. As others have noted M prints the line and then moves the paper. A moves the paper and then prints the line. The Simple way is to take the M code and convert it to the A code for Print a Line with No Paper Movement. You the emit a Paper advance with a Blank Line (if VBA this is a 6 byte line) or with Advance with no Print. I forget if there are separate codes for Print/No Print - I DO know that there is a Code for Print with No Paper Advance since it was used for BOLDING and Underlining. With FBA you will end up doubling the size of the file with this method since each line is now two lines (Print and Movement) to get the same result as the M code. The Complex Method is to keep track of where you are on the Page and append the correct A Code to the next line based on the M code of the prior line. This produces a smaller file (with FBA) since you end up with the same number of lines. As to end of page, I will assume that there are NO SKIP-TO-CHANNELs aside from SKIP-TO-CHANNEL-1s. This means that so long as the program that created the original Printout was counting lines and doing the New Page Code injection, you are OK. If, OTOH, the file STARTS with a New Page and then just has lines, it is replying on the printer to automatically do the New Page at the end of each page (ie: Detection of Channel 12) and you will need to do the same (ie: Count lines and New Page when the count gets to 60). I may have missed something but others here can build on my methodology. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VBM to VBA?
On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:10:53 -0500, John McKown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luckily, this is not going to be printed. It's going to be placed in a report repository on a Intel server. Wouldn't be __my__ choice, but the same type of software on z costs considerably more money. And we are in a budget crunch (like, who isn't?). In that case I recommend my CHEW external writer type program in file 172 of the CBT tape. This reads spool and writes a flat file which can be ftp'ed to a server. The price is right, too. HTH Dave -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VBM to VBA?
Is there a simple way to convert a DASD dataset which is RECFM=VBM (or FBM) to VBA (or FBA)? We are converting a lot of reports to be ftp'ed to a Windows platform. The program on the Windows platform does not understand machine control and needs the ftp to convert from ANSI control to the appropriate Windows control sequences the way that it does for VBA when the ASAPRINT option is used. In particular, the program needs a control L (form feed) to delimit the pages of the report. Seems I remember wanting to do back in the 1970s and others too. I know the External Writer program accomplishes it. Another place I always look first is the CBT Tape www.cbttape.orgSee file 414 for a utility from Rick Fochtman with a bit of help. Never used it but the price is right. jim -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VBM to VBA?
On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:54:07 -0400, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: The Simple way is to take the M code and convert it to the A code for Print a Line with No Paper Movement. You the emit a Paper advance with a Blank Line (if VBA this is a 6 byte line) or with Advance with What happens if you emit a 5-byte record (carriage control with no other data)? In principle this would result in a CCW with a count of zero, which I know is invalid. But is the JES printer driver smart enough to convert it to something legal? I recall that decades ago a 4-byte record (neither carriage control nor data) caused an ABEND somewhere in the access method. But it's been reported here that was subsequently fixed. no Print. I forget if there are separate codes for Print/No Print I know of none. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VBM to VBA?
All, Whats the easy way to read an output sysprint Dataset I created with IDCAMS. It is in VBA format. LRECL=240 and a BLKSIZE = 3120. My problem is that the program that must open it is in Enterprise Cobol 3.4. I have tried several combinations of FD records varying , etc, cant seem to open it, usually get a open status 35...Can someone be so kind to shed some light on this one.. All my thanks Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer [p] 678.266.3399 x304[m] 609-346-0399 identityforge.com This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately or let us know at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED], and then delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: VBM to VBA? Glad to be of help. :-) John McKown wrote: On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:08:19 -0500, Rick Fochtman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somewhere I have a simple-minded utility to do exactly that. I'll see if I can find it and send it to you privately. Rick, Many thanks. I just compiled your program and ran it against an example file. It worked wonderfully. -- John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VBM to VBA?
John, Thanks for the help, it worked perfect... Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer [p] 678.266.3399 x304[m] 609-346-0399 identityforge.com This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately or let us know at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED], and then delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 12:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: VBM to VBA? This is how I do it, to read SYSLOG datasets. FD SYSLOG-INPUT BLOCK CONTAINS 0 RECORDS LABEL RECORDS ARE STANDARD RECORDING MODE IS V RECORD IS VARYING IN SIZE FROM 1 TO 133 CHARACTERS DEPENDING ON SYSLOG-INPUT-RECORD-LENGTH. 01 SYSLOG-RECORD-MINIMUM PIC X. 01 SYSLOG-RECORD-MAXIMUM PIC X(133). ... WORKING-STORAGE SECTION. 77 SYSLOG-FILE-STATUSPIC XX. 77 REPORT-FILE-STATUSPIC XX. 77 SYSLOG-INPUT-RECORD-LENGTHPIC 9(4) BINARY. ... 77 SYSLOG-RECORD-FIXED PIC X(133). ... READ SYSLOG-INPUT AT END SET EOF-ON-SYSLOG TO TRUE END-READ IF EOF-ON-SYSLOG THEN GOTO READ-SYSLOG-EOF END-IF MOVE SYSLOG-RECORD-MAXIMUM(1:SYSLOG-INPUT-RECORD-LENGTH) TO SYSLOG-RECORD-FIXED. ... much cut down in size, but the basic principles are there. -- John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VBM to VBA?
Thanks John, I will give this a try. I appreciate all the help Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer [p] 678.266.3399 x304[m] 609-346-0399 identityforge.com This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately or let us know at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED], and then delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 12:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: VBM to VBA? This is how I do it, to read SYSLOG datasets. FD SYSLOG-INPUT BLOCK CONTAINS 0 RECORDS LABEL RECORDS ARE STANDARD RECORDING MODE IS V RECORD IS VARYING IN SIZE FROM 1 TO 133 CHARACTERS DEPENDING ON SYSLOG-INPUT-RECORD-LENGTH. 01 SYSLOG-RECORD-MINIMUM PIC X. 01 SYSLOG-RECORD-MAXIMUM PIC X(133). ... WORKING-STORAGE SECTION. 77 SYSLOG-FILE-STATUSPIC XX. 77 REPORT-FILE-STATUSPIC XX. 77 SYSLOG-INPUT-RECORD-LENGTHPIC 9(4) BINARY. ... 77 SYSLOG-RECORD-FIXED PIC X(133). ... READ SYSLOG-INPUT AT END SET EOF-ON-SYSLOG TO TRUE END-READ IF EOF-ON-SYSLOG THEN GOTO READ-SYSLOG-EOF END-IF MOVE SYSLOG-RECORD-MAXIMUM(1:SYSLOG-INPUT-RECORD-LENGTH) TO SYSLOG-RECORD-FIXED. ... much cut down in size, but the basic principles are there. -- John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VBM to VBA?
Glad to be of help. :-) John McKown wrote: On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:08:19 -0500, Rick Fochtman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somewhere I have a simple-minded utility to do exactly that. I'll see if I can find it and send it to you privately. Rick, Many thanks. I just compiled your program and ran it against an example file. It worked wonderfully. -- John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VBM to VBA?
This is how I do it, to read SYSLOG datasets. FD SYSLOG-INPUT BLOCK CONTAINS 0 RECORDS LABEL RECORDS ARE STANDARD RECORDING MODE IS V RECORD IS VARYING IN SIZE FROM 1 TO 133 CHARACTERS DEPENDING ON SYSLOG-INPUT-RECORD-LENGTH. 01 SYSLOG-RECORD-MINIMUM PIC X. 01 SYSLOG-RECORD-MAXIMUM PIC X(133). ... WORKING-STORAGE SECTION. 77 SYSLOG-FILE-STATUSPIC XX. 77 REPORT-FILE-STATUSPIC XX. 77 SYSLOG-INPUT-RECORD-LENGTHPIC 9(4) BINARY. ... 77 SYSLOG-RECORD-FIXED PIC X(133). ... READ SYSLOG-INPUT AT END SET EOF-ON-SYSLOG TO TRUE END-READ IF EOF-ON-SYSLOG THEN GOTO READ-SYSLOG-EOF END-IF MOVE SYSLOG-RECORD-MAXIMUM(1:SYSLOG-INPUT-RECORD-LENGTH) TO SYSLOG-RECORD-FIXED. ... much cut down in size, but the basic principles are there. -- John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:08:19 -0500, Rick Fochtman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somewhere I have a simple-minded utility to do exactly that. I'll see if I can find it and send it to you privately. Rick, Many thanks. I just compiled your program and ran it against an example file. It worked wonderfully. -- John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VBM to VBA?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Chris Mason To all subscribers Mea maxima culpa! Some things the spell-checker will not spot. Of course your - you're - and to think in the past I have criticised some for the odd there for their or vice versa or and possibly the odd its for it's and vice versa. I'd better do some beam casting! You are forgiven. Just don't post a sign in your front yard advertising Puppy's For Sale. :-) -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
VBM to VBA?
Is there a simple way to convert a DASD dataset which is RECFM=VBM (or FBM) to VBA (or FBA)? We are converting a lot of reports to be ftp'ed to a Windows platform. The program on the Windows platform does not understand machine control and needs the ftp to convert from ANSI control to the appropriate Windows control sequences the way that it does for VBA when the ASAPRINT option is used. In particular, the program needs a control L (form feed) to delimit the pages of the report. -- John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VBM to VBA?
John I think your in trouble - or you can roll up your sleeves and get programming - in your favourite language. I remembered that the difference between A and M is that one prints and then moves the print carriage while the other moves the print carriage and then prints. I guess you can see that this negates your simple. Well, I hate knowing only half the story so I jumped into the DFSMS shelf and found the matter explained - in APPENDIX1.3 Appendix C. Control Characters of z/OS V1R10.0 DFSMS Macro Instructions for Data Sets. In the table of the codes in APPENDIX1.3.1 Machine Code we find Print--Then Act and in the table of codes in APPENDIX1.3.2 ISO/ANSI we find Action before Printing a Line So now I'm happy - but I suspect you will not be! Chris Mason On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:43:58 -0500, John McKown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a simple way to convert a DASD dataset which is RECFM=VBM (or FBM) to VBA (or FBA)? We are converting a lot of reports to be ftp'ed to a Windows platform. The program on the Windows platform does not understand machine control and needs the ftp to convert from ANSI control to the appropriate Windows control sequences the way that it does for VBA when the ASAPRINT option is used. In particular, the program needs a control L (form feed) to delimit the pages of the report. -- John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VBM to VBA?
-snip--- Is there a simple way to convert a DASD dataset which is RECFM=VBM (or FBM) to VBA (or FBA)? We are converting a lot of reports to be ftp'ed to a Windows platform. The program on the Windows platform does not understand machine control and needs the ftp to convert from ANSI control to the appropriate Windows control sequences the way that it does for VBA when the ASAPRINT option is used. In particular, the program needs a control L (form feed) to delimit the pages of the report. --unsnip--- Somewhere I have a simple-minded utility to do exactly that. I'll see if I can find it and send it to you privately. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VBM to VBA?
On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:44:27 -0500, Chris Mason wrote: I think your in trouble - or you can roll up your sleeves and get programming - in your favourite language. I remembered that the difference between A and M is that one prints and then moves the print carriage while the other moves the print carriage and then prints. I guess you can see that this negates your simple. Well, I hate knowing only half the story so I jumped into the DFSMS shelf and found the matter explained - in APPENDIX1.3 Appendix C. Control Characters of z/OS V1R10.0 DFSMS Macro Instructions for Data Sets. In the table of the codes in APPENDIX1.3.1 Machine Code we find Print--Then Act and in the table of codes in APPENDIX1.3.2 ISO/ANSI we find Action before Printing a Line So now I'm happy - but I suspect you will not be! And one more thing. IBM printers ignore an initial page eject (the rule is more complicated, but this is the effect). Many UNIX and PC printers honor the initial formfeed. At best, this wastes a leaf when printing single-sided. The effect when printing two-sided is more irritating -- the even numbered pages appear in front; the odd numbered in back. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VBM to VBA?
Paul, that's not true. The printer has no way of knowing whether it's a initial page eject or not. Some programming languages will spit an extra page eject, like PL/1 does, but the basic printer isn't that smart. Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:44:27 -0500, Chris Mason wrote: I think your in trouble - or you can roll up your sleeves and get programming - in your favourite language. I remembered that the difference between A and M is that one prints and then moves the print carriage while the other moves the print carriage and then prints. I guess you can see that this negates your simple. Well, I hate knowing only half the story so I jumped into the DFSMS shelf and found the matter explained - in APPENDIX1.3 Appendix C. Control Characters of z/OS V1R10.0 DFSMS Macro Instructions for Data Sets. In the table of the codes in APPENDIX1.3.1 Machine Code we find Print--Then Act and in the table of codes in APPENDIX1.3.2 ISO/ANSI we find Action before Printing a Line So now I'm happy - but I suspect you will not be! And one more thing. IBM printers ignore an initial page eject (the rule is more complicated, but this is the effect). Many UNIX and PC printers honor the initial formfeed. At best, this wastes a leaf when printing single-sided. The effect when printing two-sided is more irritating -- the even numbered pages appear in front; the odd numbered in back. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VBM to VBA?
In a message dated 10/13/2008 5:27:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: initial page eject or not. Some programming languages will spit an extra page eject, like PL/1 does, but the basic printer isn't that smart. Well I don't know about all printers but 3900's have Skip to front facing. Which really works... **New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew0002) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VBM to VBA?
Rick Fochtman wrote: Paul, that's not true. The printer has no way of knowing whether it's a initial page eject or not. Some programming languages will spit an extra page eject, like PL/1 does, but the basic printer isn't that smart. Paul Gilmartin wrote: And one more thing. IBM printers ignore an initial page eject (the rule is more complicated, but this is the effect). Many UNIX and PC printers honor the initial formfeed. At best, this wastes a leaf when printing single-sided. The effect when printing two-sided is more irritating -- the even numbered pages appear in front; the odd numbered in back. Actually the channel attached printers (1403, 3211, etc) are that smart. If the printer is at top of form (channel one in FCB or carriage tape for older printers) the printer ignores a skip to channel one. I suspect this is true of the other channels as well, but don't remember. Just noticed I have channels in two different contexts, but I think this is clear. -- Richard -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VBM to VBA?
On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:26:58 -0500, Rick Fochtman wrote: Paul, that's not true. The printer has no way of knowing whether it's a initial page eject or not. Some programming languages will spit an extra page eject, like PL/1 does, but the basic printer isn't that smart. I said it was more complicated. Paul Gilmartin wrote: And one more thing. IBM printers ignore an initial page eject (the rule is more complicated, but this is the effect). Many UNIX and PC printers honor the initial formfeed. At best, this wastes a leaf when printing single-sided. The effect when printing two-sided is more irritating -- the even numbered pages appear in front; the odd numbered in back. The rule, as I recall it (I can't find any current doc, but this is the sort of thing that's unlikely to change incompatibly), is that if o The current CCW op is SKIP IMMEDIATE (which the printer has a way of knowing) o The previous CCW op was _not_ PRINT NOSPACE (which the printer has a way of knowing) o The paper is currently positioned at the selected channel (which the printer has a way of knowing) no paper motion occurs. If the separator page ended with a SKIP TO CHANNEL 1, an initial SKIP TO CHANNEL 1 is effectively ignored. Also, multiple consecutive SKIP IMMEDIATE to the same channel are in effect collapsed to a single SKIP, so SKIP IMMEDIATE may fail to generate blank pages. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VBM to VBA?
To all subscribers Mea maxima culpa! Some things the spell-checker will not spot. Of course your - you're - and to think in the past I have criticised some for the odd there for their or vice versa or and possibly the odd its for it's and vice versa. I'd better do some beam casting! Chris Mason On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:44:27 -0500, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think your in trouble ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VBM to VBA?
--snip Well I don't know about all printers but 3900's have Skip to front facing. Which really works... ---unsnip- Assuming that the form is loaded correctly. :-) I can't speak for the 3800/3900 series printers, but the old 3211/1403 weren't that smart. :-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VBM to VBA?
On Mon, 13 Oct 2008, Paul Gilmartin wrote: And one more thing. IBM printers ignore an initial page eject (the rule is more complicated, but this is the effect). Many UNIX and PC printers honor the initial formfeed. At best, this wastes a leaf when printing single-sided. The effect when printing two-sided is more irritating -- the even numbered pages appear in front; the odd numbered in back. -- gil Luckily, this is not going to be printed. It's going to be placed in a report repository on a Intel server. Wouldn't be __my__ choice, but the same type of software on z costs considerably more money. And we are in a budget crunch (like, who isn't?). -- Q: What do theoretical physicists drink beer from? A: Ein Stein. Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VBM to VBA?
On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:52:33 -0500, Rick Fochtman wrote: --snip Well I don't know about all printers but 3900's have Skip to front facing. Which really works... ---unsnip- Assuming that the form is loaded correctly. :-) I can't speak for the 3800/3900 series printers, but the old 3211/1403 weren't that smart. :-) But they only print on one side anyway! Yah, I know what you mean about the creases. But if the form is loaded wrong, there's a tedious manual procedure to correct it after the fact. BTDT. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VBM to VBA?
I used IEBCOPY to go from VBA to FB, no problem... Not sure about VBM, haven't tried it.. Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer [p] 678.266.3399 x304[m] 609-346-0399 identityforge.com This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately or let us know at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED], and then delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 6:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: VBM to VBA? -snip--- Is there a simple way to convert a DASD dataset which is RECFM=VBM (or FBM) to VBA (or FBA)? We are converting a lot of reports to be ftp'ed to a Windows platform. The program on the Windows platform does not understand machine control and needs the ftp to convert from ANSI control to the appropriate Windows control sequences the way that it does for VBA when the ASAPRINT option is used. In particular, the program needs a control L (form feed) to delimit the pages of the report. --unsnip--- Somewhere I have a simple-minded utility to do exactly that. I'll see if I can find it and send it to you privately. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VBM to VBA?
IEBCOPY will not change the carriage control character in data lines. You've been lucky in converting VB to FB format; don''t build any dependance on it or you may get burned. Scott Ford wrote: I used IEBCOPY to go from VBA to FB, no problem... Not sure about VBM, haven't tried it.. Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer [p] 678.266.3399 x304[m] 609-346-0399 identityforge.com This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately or let us know at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED], and then delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 6:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: VBM to VBA? -snip--- Is there a simple way to convert a DASD dataset which is RECFM=VBM (or FBM) to VBA (or FBA)? We are converting a lot of reports to be ftp'ed to a Windows platform. The program on the Windows platform does not understand machine control and needs the ftp to convert from ANSI control to the appropriate Windows control sequences the way that it does for VBA when the ASAPRINT option is used. In particular, the program needs a control L (form feed) to delimit the pages of the report. --unsnip--- Somewhere I have a simple-minded utility to do exactly that. I'll see if I can find it and send it to you privately. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VBM to VBA?
In a message dated 10/13/2008 7:28:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But they only print on one side anyway! Yah, I know what you mean about the creases. But if the form is loaded wrong, there's a tedious manual procedure to correct it after the fact. BTDT. They were duplex capable, but velly expensive options. _http://www.rainbowcomputer.net/pages/products/ibm/ibm_3900.html_ (http://www.rainbowcomputer.net/pages/products/ibm/ibm_3900.html) There were also those big honkin ream feeders, but our operators were scared to even look...me too I guess. _http://www.rollsystems.com/1-RolltoRoll.html_ (http://www.rollsystems.com/1-RolltoRoll.html) **New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew0002) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
