Re: z/OS 1.10 announcement -DASD size
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Scott Ford All, Where dod I find the announcement letter for z/os v1.10 ?? http://preview.tinyurl.com/2su7lf Note that it's a preview, not the announcement letter. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 announcement -DASD size
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Walt Farrell Snipped What the announcement actually says: Snipped So, as it says, the support planned in z/OS V1.10 is for VSAM data in the extended area (except for the kinds of VSAM exempted in the next sentence), and everything else in the non extended area. So you are saying that everything else includes PDSE? And probably DB2 objects, which also live in LDSes. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 announcement -DASD size
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 06:48:14 -0600, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Walt Farrell Snipped What the announcement actually says: Snipped So, as it says, the support planned in z/OS V1.10 is for VSAM data in the extended area (except for the kinds of VSAM exempted in the next sentence), and everything else in the non extended area. So you are saying that everything else includes PDSE? And probably DB2 objects, which also live in LDSes. To try to be clear: LDSes are VSAM, and thus eligible for placement in the extended area. DB2 will benefit from EAV, as will zFS (both are mentioned in the preview announcement). PDSEs are not VSAM, and are not eligible for placement in the extended area in z/OS R10. -- Walt Farrell, CISSP IBM STSM, z/OS Security Design -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 announcement -DASD size
I'm curious about future enhancements. As I understood the letter, VSAM datasets are for beginning (as 223GB vol. size). IMHO we can expect in the future ext fmt PS and PDSE in the upper area. Of course only IBMers know (and won't disclose). -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2008 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 zote i zosta w caoci wpacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 announcement -DASD size
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Mulder Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 6:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/OS 1.10 announcement -DASD size IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 02/27/2008 05:18:56 PM: One question I had after reading that EAV part -- it says the EAV area allows ESDS, KSDS, RRDS and LDS, so does LDS cover PDSE? Or is PDSE still going to be limited to the first 65,520 tracks? In z/OS 1.10, PDSE remains limited to residing within cylinders 0-x''. Jim, thanks for the direct answer. Peter This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 announcement -DASD size
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walt Farrell Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:58 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/OS 1.10 announcement -DASD size On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:51:57 -0500, Farley, Peter x23353 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you are saying that everything else includes PDSE? Yes, as PDSE is -not- VSAM. Thank you for that clarification. Peter This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 announcement -DASD size
Radoslaw, The way I read this is that in z/OS 1.10, support will be limited to only the specified dataset types. As for what may happen in the future, nothing is guaranteed, however, at the same time, nothing has been publicly ruled out. Wayne Driscoll Product Developer NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 7:22 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/OS 1.10 announcement -DASD size I'm curious about future enhancements. As I understood the letter, VSAM datasets are for beginning (as 223GB vol. size). IMHO we can expect in the future ext fmt PS and PDSE in the upper area. Of course only IBMers know (and won't disclose). -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2008 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 zote i zosta w caoci wpacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 announcement -DASD size
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: z/OS 1.10 announcement -DASD size From the web page that I previously posted about z/OS 1.10 Snipped Man, oh man! We'll finally have parity with the other systems for truly huge volume sizes. One question I had after reading that EAV part -- it says the EAV area allows ESDS, KSDS, RRDS and LDS, so does LDS cover PDSE? Or is PDSE still going to be limited to the first 65,520 tracks? Just curious. Peter This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 announcement -DASD size
All, Where dod I find the announcement letter for z/os v1.10 ?? Regards, Scott Ford IDF -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 5:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/OS 1.10 announcement -DASD size -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: z/OS 1.10 announcement -DASD size From the web page that I previously posted about z/OS 1.10 Snipped Man, oh man! We'll finally have parity with the other systems for truly huge volume sizes. One question I had after reading that EAV part -- it says the EAV area allows ESDS, KSDS, RRDS and LDS, so does LDS cover PDSE? Or is PDSE still going to be limited to the first 65,520 tracks? Just curious. Peter This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 announcement -DASD size
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:30:20 -0500, Scott Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, Where dod I find the announcement letter for z/os v1.10 ?? Regards, Scott Ford IDF http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?subtype=cainfotype=anappname=iSourcesupplier=897letternum=ENUS208-042 -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 announcement -DASD size
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:18:56 -0500, Farley, Peter x23353 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One question I had after reading that EAV part -- it says the EAV area allows ESDS, KSDS, RRDS and LDS, so does LDS cover PDSE? Or is PDSE still going to be limited to the first 65,520 tracks? What the announcement actually says: quote In z/OS V1.10, support is planned for SMS and non-SMS managed VSAM data sets (ESDS, KSDS, RRDS, and LDS) at any location on an extended address volume. Non-VSAM data sets, catalogs, page data sets, and VSAM data sets with the KEYRANGE or IMBED attribute are restricted to the first 65,520 cylinders. /quote So, as it says, the support planned in z/OS V1.10 is for VSAM data in the extended area (except for the kinds of VSAM exempted in the next sentence), and everything else in the non extended area. -- Walt Farrell, CISSP IBM STSM, z/OS Security Design -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 announcement -DASD size
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walt Farrell Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 5:40 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/OS 1.10 announcement -DASD size Snipped What the announcement actually says: Snipped So, as it says, the support planned in z/OS V1.10 is for VSAM data in the extended area (except for the kinds of VSAM exempted in the next sentence), and everything else in the non extended area. So you are saying that everything else includes PDSE? Peter This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 announcement -DASD size
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 02/27/2008 05:18:56 PM: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: z/OS 1.10 announcement -DASD size From the web page that I previously posted about z/OS 1.10 Snipped Man, oh man! We'll finally have parity with the other systems for truly huge volume sizes. One question I had after reading that EAV part -- it says the EAV area allows ESDS, KSDS, RRDS and LDS, so does LDS cover PDSE? Or is PDSE still going to be limited to the first 65,520 tracks? In z/OS 1.10, PDSE remains limited to residing within cylinders 0-x''. Jim Mulder z/OS System Test IBM Corp. Poughkeepsie, NY -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 announcement -DASD size
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:51:57 -0500, Farley, Peter x23353 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you are saying that everything else includes PDSE? Yes, as PDSE is -not- VSAM. -- Walt Farrell, CISSP IBM STSM, z/OS Security Design -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 announcement -DASD size
Mark, Thanks for the help, I appreciate it.. Regards, Scott Ford IDF -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Zelden Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 5:32 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/OS 1.10 announcement -DASD size On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:30:20 -0500, Scott Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, Where dod I find the announcement letter for z/os v1.10 ?? Regards, Scott Ford IDF http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?subtype=cainfotype=anapp name=iSourcesupplier=897letternum=ENUS208-042 -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
z/OS 1.10 announcement -DASD size
From the web page that I previously posted about z/OS 1.10 quote Architectural limit of hundreds of TB for DASD volumes, up from the current limit of approximately 54 GB per volume. Called Extended Address Volume (EAV), this function is planned to initially support 223 GB per volume on z/OS V1.10 and IBM System Storage DS8000, when available. ... Exploiting the capabilities of a new 3390 device model on IBM System Storage DS8000 storage subsystems, EAV is designed to provide: A new architectural limit of hundreds of TB per volume, up from the current limit of approximately 54 GB per volume (65,520 cylinders). z/OS V1.10 will support a maximum volume size of 223 GB (262,668 cylinders per volume). Fully compatible access to data residing on cylinders below 65,520. Also, the existing 3390 device geometry (the track length and number of tracks per cylinder) is maintained on EAV. In z/OS V1.10, support is planned for SMS and non-SMS managed VSAM data sets (ESDS, KSDS, RRDS, and LDS) at any location on an extended address volume. Non-VSAM data sets, catalogs, page data sets, and VSAM data sets with the KEYRANGE or IMBED attribute are restricted to the first 65,520 cylinders. With this initial support, space after the first 65,520 cylinders is intended to provide constraint relief for applications using large VSAM data sets, such as those used by DB2, CICS(r), zFS file systems, SMP/E CSI data sets, and NFS mounted data sets. A new dynamic volume expansion function designed to eliminate the need to copy volumes to increase their size. This new function is expected to provide substantial, immediate constraint relief for installations with a large number of large VSAM data sets. This is also expected to help improve storage management administration over time, as a relatively small number of large volumes are thought to be simpler to manage than a larger number of smaller ones. IBM recommends the IBM HyperPAV licensed function on the IBM System Storage DS8000 series be leveraged to help manage the number of paths to devices defined as EAV. In the future, IBM intends to expand support for EAV with larger volume sizes and support for additional data set types and access methods. For more information, refer to the Statement of direction section /quote http://tinyurl.com/33l8em Man, oh man! We'll finally have parity with the other systems for truly huge volume sizes. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
