Re: z10 LSPR
Yup, I'm back. Clark Kidd had been monitoring IBM-Main for me for the last couple of years, but I started back last week. I see that people still head off in bizarre directions (i.e. SHARE handouts), but this is still one of the best forums I know of where people really help out other people. Cheers! Cheryl -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shane Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 2:39 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z10 LSPR Welcome back Cheryl - seems to have been a while. Shane ... On Tue, 2008-03-04 at 01:06 -0500, Cheryl Walker wrote: -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z10 LSPR
BIZARRE is an understatement. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cheryl Walker Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 SYSN 09:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z10 LSPR Yup, I'm back. Clark Kidd had been monitoring IBM-Main for me for the last couple of years, but I started back last week. I see that people still head off in bizarre directions (i.e. SHARE handouts), but this is still one of the best forums I know of where people really help out other people. Cheers! Cheryl -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shane Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 2:39 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z10 LSPR Welcome back Cheryl - seems to have been a while. Shane ... On Tue, 2008-03-04 at 01:06 -0500, Cheryl Walker wrote: -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z10 LSPR
When I checked the LSPR ratings the day the z10 was announced I noticed that all of the 2094-40x MSU zOS 1.8 ratings were different. I checked the 1.6 ratings and they were what I was expecting. I even checked the documents for the next couple of days to see if IBM had made an error and would correct it. I see today that they did chance the 1.8 LSPR numbers back to what the were for 1.6. Thanks Bill Bishop Specialist Mainframe Support Group Server Development Support Toyota Motor Engineering Manufacturing North America, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (502) 570-6143 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z10 LSPR
Bill, What do you mean when running zOS 1.6 shows at 147 MSUs? The MSU ratings provided by IBM are for marketing and pricing reasons only, and don't change once published. The MSU rating for a 2094-406 are 147 MSUs on the 1.6 LSPRs and are also 147 MSUs on the 1.8 LSPRs. Best regards, Cheryl Watson -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Bishop Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 5:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z10 LSPR Since when are the MSU ratings dependent upon which release of zOS you are running? My 2094-406 when running zOS 1.6 shows at 147 MSUs, but at zOS 1.8 shows at 144. I am running at 1.8 and could sure use the reduced costs. Thanks Bill Bishop Specialist Mainframe Support Group Server Development Support Toyota Motor Engineering Manufacturing North America, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (502) 570-6143 Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU 02/27/2008 03:57 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject z10 LSPR The z10 LSPR data is now available too. http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/lspr/ -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z10 LSPR
Welcome back Cheryl - seems to have been a while. Shane ... On Tue, 2008-03-04 at 01:06 -0500, Cheryl Walker wrote: -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z10 LSPR
There was a session at the SHARE Conference in Orlando that went into some detail about LSPR and some changes and what is being measured and why. I am working with the speaker to see what can be uploaded for the proceedings. This was an unplanned session that we were able to squeeze into a slot from a canceled session. All very rushed and not all uploadable. Something useful may, or may not, get uploaded to session 2875 under the MVS SCP Project of the MVS Program. On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 11:05:56 -0800, Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William Bishop wrote: Since when are the MSU ratings dependent upon which release of zOS you are running? I believe the LSPR workloads for z10 are executed with the HiperDispatch feature fully enabled. -- Edward E Jaffe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z10 LSPR
William Bishop wrote: Since when are the MSU ratings dependent upon which release of zOS you are running? I believe the LSPR workloads for z10 are executed with the HiperDispatch feature fully enabled. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z10 LSPR
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:31:04 -0500, Arthur T. wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Schmidt) wrote: The z10 LSPR data is now available too. http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/lspr/ Yes, and it looks like they are using a new femtofont on the z10 page. (Could they make it smaller still?) I don't see what your complaint is. The font is a full 4.5 points; Word supports down to 1 point. And IBM Writer (Is that what it was called?), packaged with OS/2 could support down to 0.2 point. Seriously, though, it looks like the the same size font to me. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z10 LSPR
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Arthur T. On 27 Feb 2008 13:34:35 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main Tom.Schmidt wrote: The z10 LSPR data is now available too. http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/lspr/ Yes, and it looks like they are using a new femtofont on the z10 page. (Could they make it smaller still? Is that why IBM is experimenting with the physical manipulation of single atoms - to be able to fit oodles of atomic-sized lines onto a single sheet of paper for the 2013 version of LSPR?? We'll see.) I don't see what your complaint is. The font is a full 4.5 points; Word supports down to 1 point. Isn't it obviously more important to get the whole table on one page than to be able to read it without a microscope? It's readable enough on a 60 HDTV monitor. :-) -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z10 LSPR
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 06:33:01 -0600, Tom Marchant wrote: On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:31:04 -0500, Arthur T. wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Schmidt) wrote: The z10 LSPR data is now available too. http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/lspr/ Yes, and it looks like they are using a new femtofont on the z10 page. (Could they make it smaller still?) I don't see what your complaint is. The font is a full 4.5 points; Word supports down to 1 point. And IBM Writer (Is that what it was called?), packaged with OS/2 could support down to 0.2 point. Seriously, though, it looks like the the same size font to me. It depends -- if you print the LSPR report from the .PDF the z10 information on page 85 was forced (by IBM) to fit on a single page and they used their new femtofont to make all of the configurations fit. I suppose that's fair since the numbers are almost legalese so small print is what it is all about, right? -- Tom Schmidt (When I viewed the page on my 30 cinema display I didn't have issues.) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
z10 LSPR
The z10 LSPR data is now available too. http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/lspr/ -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z10 LSPR
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:57:37 -0600, Tom Marchant wrote: The z10 LSPR data is now available too. http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/lspr/ Yes, and it looks like they are using a new femtofont on the z10 page. (Could they make it smaller still? Is that why IBM is experimenting with the physical manipulation of single atoms - to be able to fit oodles of atomic-sized lines onto a single sheet of paper for the 2013 version of LSPR?? We'll see.) -- Tom Schmidt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z10 LSPR
Since when are the MSU ratings dependent upon which release of zOS you are running? My 2094-406 when running zOS 1.6 shows at 147 MSUs, but at zOS 1.8 shows at 144. I am running at 1.8 and could sure use the reduced costs. Thanks Bill Bishop Specialist Mainframe Support Group Server Development Support Toyota Motor Engineering Manufacturing North America, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (502) 570-6143 Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU 02/27/2008 03:57 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject z10 LSPR The z10 LSPR data is now available too. http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/lspr/ -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z10 LSPR
On 27 Feb 2008 13:34:35 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main (Message-ID:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Schmidt) wrote: The z10 LSPR data is now available too. http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/lspr/ Yes, and it looks like they are using a new femtofont on the z10 page. (Could they make it smaller still? Is that why IBM is experimenting with the physical manipulation of single atoms - to be able to fit oodles of atomic-sized lines onto a single sheet of paper for the 2013 version of LSPR?? We'll see.) I don't see what your complaint is. The font is a full 4.5 points; Word supports down to 1 point. Isn't it obviously more important to get the whole table on one page than to be able to read it without a microscope? (I loved the phrasing of your complaint. I've copied it to my own file of quotes to keep.) -- I cannot receive mail at the address this was sent from. To reply directly, send to ar23hur at intergate dot com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
