Re: BLDL User Data

2023-08-19 Thread Dave Kreiss
On a PDSE a binder of IEFBR14 with alias BR14 then bind of IEFBR14 no alias and 
BR14 alias was gone.  Use 3.1 on the real member of first bind of IEFBR14 
removed alias. Didn’t try to see what happens with 3.1 delete of alias.  PDSE 
orphaning of alias appears to be addressed at least in ISPF and binder. 

3.1 on PDS to delete real member leaves alias of BR14 as does above binder test 
on PDS.  Alias points at previous IEFBR14 TTR such that TTR of new IEFBR14 is 
different than orphaned BR14. 

All run on z/OS 2.5. 

> On Aug 19, 2023, at 6:08 PM, Paul Gilmartin 
> <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 17:14:41 -0500, Dave Kreiss  wrote:
> 
>>   ... If the real member is deleted but not all alias(s), those alias(s) are 
>> orphaned member(s) but the tensing member(s) data (load module) still exist.
>> 
> Did that change with PDSE?
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Re: [EXT] Re: Cloud may be overpriced compared to on-premises systems

2023-08-19 Thread Bob Bridges
Not the way I'd go.  If for my sins I were made king of the list, I'd be
more King Log than King Stork.  Off-topic doesn't bother me, and it would
take a lot to get me to ban any poster.  But I wouldn't mind deleting
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The troll who said he would stop commenting on here a few months ago?  My
vote would be to have his account tagged as restricted from posting.

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Stop feeding the troll and maybe he'll go away

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Re: [EXT] Re: Cloud may be overpriced compared to on-premises systems

2023-08-19 Thread Bill Johnson
I worked for an health insurance company. As another poster said, “that's how 
all insurance companies function. there's a reason why they're often compared 
to a legalized mafia.”

I’m curious as to why you guys can’t seem to ignore the troll? Or create some 
filter that you guys mentioned was easy. Or even listen to Darren?

And why do the same guys complain about the troll? The ones who seem to think 
their constant reminiscing about the good old mainframe days is relevant?

Like I said previously, there are thousands of mainframe people who don’t post, 
probably aren’t even registered, likely not even aware of the list. It has 
degenerated into 20-30 guys (and it’s mostly guys) who need to show how much 
they think they know. Posting the same drivel over and over. Of all the shops 
I’ve worked and all the people I worked with over 40+ years, there aren’t 5 
people who even care to subscribe. It’s more like a frat club. And I’m 
unwilling to perform the hazing.

And if the troll was banned, who is to say he/she doesn’t have 4 other 
accounts? Is the list that technically robust a user can actually be stopped 
from posting?

Is there a TOS? Some of us joined when Marist College (I think) hosted it.

It’s a slippery slope when freedom of speech is squelched. Especially when the 
entity is a government run, taxpayer funded institution.

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The troll who said he would stop commenting on here a few months ago?  My vote 
would be to have his account tagged as restricted from posting.

Rex

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Re: Microsoft office

2023-08-19 Thread Steve Thompson
The caveat here is, I can no longer run Office 97 as it is not 
compatible with W11. I've found that all my older software (that 
worked up through W7) will not run under W11.


Argggh!  I'm wondering if I can get it to work under V-BOX with 
an older W/7 Installation


Steve Thompson

On 8/19/2023 9:29 PM, Robin Vowels wrote:

It's for this very reason that I still maintain at least
one computer with Windows 3.1 and Word 1.1a.
Everything works, including formulas.
And it came with a great manual.
As well as for preparing documents generally,
I used Word 1.1a for automatically preparing indexes for books.
Trying to convert to Word 6 was a disaster; for example,
changing from footnotes to end notes lost the entire document.
There were minor problems also with Word 6, such as different
meanings of keystrokes for the extra characters using the ALT key.

On 2023-08-20 04:03, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote:

W dniu 15.08.2023 o 17:47, Steve Beaver pisze:
One thing that absolutely scares the hell out of me is 
converting Office

2010

To any  of the new Office Products,

  Has anyone converted?  What Problems did you have?


(yes, it is off-topic, but I couldn't resist)

Yes, I did.
Conversion from 2010 to any newer version was not a pain.
But NOTE: the more advanced features you use the more pain 
because of incompatibilities, dropped suport, etc.

The most painful migrations I remember:
1. Word 2.0 to 6.0
2. Word 2000 to XP
3. Word XP to 2003
4. Word 2003 or older to 2007

Ad 1.  A lot of incompatibilities, especially related to PL 
version. Polish letters (ąćęłńóśćżź) converted to "US-eng" 
codetable equivalents.
2. Dropped support for diagrams creator. I had to recreate it 
from scratch.

3. New errors which resulted abends during typo-check.
4. Completely changed user interface with almost no new 
features. Very same functions need to searched.


Other "features":
suddenly dropped support for Word 2.0 files. You even cannot 
open it!

suddenly dropped support for RTF files.
suddenly dropped/changed plugins like Equation Editors, etc.
changed functions like indexing, styles, contents, etc. etc.
suddenly dropped/revolutionized pictures embedded (not 
bitmaps, just drawings like squares, circles, arrows, etc. )


This is only part of "advantages" mostly related to Word.


Hints:
1. Don't try to use advanced features if you really can avoid it.
2. Open all your documents and all the features like drawings 
or embedded objects.
3. If you can simply keep your old version! Yes, you can still 
have your ancient version of Office on you PC. Just use 
VirtualBox or other hypervisor and keep one or few virtual 
machines. Check your license terms, but if you had older 
version then usually you did not lost the license.


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Re: Microsoft office

2023-08-19 Thread Steve Thompson
I just tested RTF and ODT with Office 365's Word which shows 
"Microsoft® Word for Microsoft 365 MSO (Version 2307 Build 
16.0.16626.20170) 64-bit "


And it works for both. I used Libre Office to generate both.

Steve Thompson


On 8/19/2023 5:45 PM, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote:
My memory is far from perfect, however I could swear it was 
RTF. Many years ago. Or maybe it was another non-DOC format?
I just checked it now - RTF is supported (Word 2013). However 
uncle Google shows some vulnerabilities related to Word and RTF.


BTW: my another "favorite" feature of MS is disappearance of 
features/applications from your systems - as a part of updating 
process.
So, you bought a license for the system with the features and 
you loose some of them. Without any warning.




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Re: Microsoft office

2023-08-19 Thread Robin Vowels

It's for this very reason that I still maintain at least
one computer with Windows 3.1 and Word 1.1a.
Everything works, including formulas.
And it came with a great manual.
As well as for preparing documents generally,
I used Word 1.1a for automatically preparing indexes for books.
Trying to convert to Word 6 was a disaster; for example,
changing from footnotes to end notes lost the entire document.
There were minor problems also with Word 6, such as different
meanings of keystrokes for the extra characters using the ALT key.

On 2023-08-20 04:03, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote:

W dniu 15.08.2023 o 17:47, Steve Beaver pisze:
One thing that absolutely scares the hell out of me is converting 
Office

2010

To any  of the new Office Products,

  Has anyone converted?  What Problems did you have?


(yes, it is off-topic, but I couldn't resist)

Yes, I did.
Conversion from 2010 to any newer version was not a pain.
But NOTE: the more advanced features you use the more pain because of 
incompatibilities, dropped suport, etc.

The most painful migrations I remember:
1. Word 2.0 to 6.0
2. Word 2000 to XP
3. Word XP to 2003
4. Word 2003 or older to 2007

Ad 1.  A lot of incompatibilities, especially related to PL version. 
Polish letters (ąćęłńóśćżź) converted to "US-eng" codetable 
equivalents.
2. Dropped support for diagrams creator. I had to recreate it from 
scratch.

3. New errors which resulted abends during typo-check.
4. Completely changed user interface with almost no new features. Very 
same functions need to searched.


Other "features":
suddenly dropped support for Word 2.0 files. You even cannot open it!
suddenly dropped support for RTF files.
suddenly dropped/changed plugins like Equation Editors, etc.
changed functions like indexing, styles, contents, etc. etc.
suddenly dropped/revolutionized pictures embedded (not bitmaps, just 
drawings like squares, circles, arrows, etc. )


This is only part of "advantages" mostly related to Word.


Hints:
1. Don't try to use advanced features if you really can avoid it.
2. Open all your documents and all the features like drawings or 
embedded objects.
3. If you can simply keep your old version! Yes, you can still have 
your ancient version of Office on you PC. Just use VirtualBox or other 
hypervisor and keep one or few virtual machines. Check your license 
terms, but if you had older version then usually you did not lost the 
license.


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Re: BLDL User Data

2023-08-19 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 17:14:41 -0500, Dave Kreiss  wrote:

>... If the real member is deleted but not all alias(s), those alias(s) are 
> orphaned member(s) but the tensing member(s) data (load module) still exist.
>
Did that change with PDSE?

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Re: BLDL User Data

2023-08-19 Thread Dave Kreiss
Alias entry points have separate directory entries. The alias directory entries 
have a flag bit on (I remember there is a DSECT IHAPDS or similar name) which 
indicate that this directory entry is an alias and also may have a different 
entry point address than the real or other alias members  You need to match the 
TTR of alias to members the real member by running through all directory 
entries. If the real member is deleted but not all alias(s), those alias(s) are 
orphaned member(s) but the tensing member(s) data (load module) still exist. In 
this case knowing the real member name is not possible except if you know 
history of load module or maybe have backup or some other history like binder 
output or maybe job JCL. You’re the sleuth. 

> On Aug 19, 2023, at 4:48 PM, Attila Fogarasi  wrote:
> 
> Take a look at PDS2EPM
> https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.1.0?topic=areas-pds-directory-entry-format-returned-by-bldl
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 7:29 AM Joseph Reichman 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Just looking the user data I got from a BLDL specifically the entry name I
>> have multiple (4) entry points the BLDL returned the entry /offset in the
>> last entry for PDS2EPA using IHAPDS to map the returned data
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Was wondering if there was a way to get the other entry points
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
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XCFAS and TRUSTED

2023-08-19 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
I'm setting up some sysplex and found some healthcheck is not OK, the 
reason was XCFAS was not TRUSTED.

Questions:
1. Is the requirement of the TRUSTED status documented anywhere? That's 
good to know before auditor asked.

2. Is there any way to fix it without reIPL?
3. Somehow related to 2.  - IMHO actually it is not matter of the 
attribute, but the matter of access to some resources. Are the resources 
needed for XCFAS documented/known ?



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Re: BLDL User Data

2023-08-19 Thread Attila Fogarasi
Take a look at PDS2EPM
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.1.0?topic=areas-pds-directory-entry-format-returned-by-bldl


On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 7:29 AM Joseph Reichman 
wrote:

> Hi
>
>
>
> Just looking the user data I got from a BLDL specifically the entry name I
> have multiple (4) entry points the BLDL returned the entry /offset in the
> last entry for PDS2EPA using IHAPDS to map the returned data
>
>
>
> Was wondering if there was a way to get the other entry points
>
>
>
> Thanks
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Re: Please do not attack / insult each other.

2023-08-19 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka

W dniu 15.08.2023 o 02:16, Grant Taylor pisze:

Please do not attack / insult each other.

Let's instead have conversations where it's okay to disagree with each 
other while still respecting each other and valuing each other's 
opinions.


It's okay to disagree.

It's not okay to insult the person that you disagree with.


+1

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Re: Microsoft office

2023-08-19 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
My memory is far from perfect, however I could swear it was RTF. Many 
years ago. Or maybe it was another non-DOC format?
I just checked it now - RTF is supported (Word 2013). However uncle 
Google shows some vulnerabilities related to Word and RTF.


BTW: my another "favorite" feature of MS is disappearance of 
features/applications from your systems - as a part of updating process.
So, you bought a license for the system with the features and you loose 
some of them. Without any warning.


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W dniu 19.08.2023 o 22:25, Bob Bridges pisze:

Wait - the new Word doesn't read RTF?!!

The other changes I'll cheerfully join you in deploring, but this is the only 
one that truly shocks me.

Not that I am fluent in RTF.  But I did write an ooRexx program once to convert 
a collection of plain-text error messages to a decent format using RTF (with 
numerous references to the latest specification) with the idea that it could 
then be imported into Word and book-ended with beginning and ending sections to 
make up a messages manual.

Once I started using LaTeX I recommended that we change the plan and do it that 
way instead, abandoning Word.  But I'm still shocked.

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2023 14:04

Yes, I did.
Conversion from 2010 to any newer version was not a pain.
But NOTE: the more advanced features you use the more pain because of 
incompatibilities, dropped suport, etc.
The most painful migrations I remember:
1. Word 2.0 to 6.0
2. Word 2000 to XP
3. Word XP to 2003
4. Word 2003 or older to 2007

Ad 1.  A lot of incompatibilities, especially related to PL version.
Polish letters (ąćęłńóśćżź) converted to "US-eng" codetable equivalents.
2. Dropped support for diagrams creator. I had to recreate it from scratch.
3. New errors which resulted abends during typo-check.
4. Completely changed user interface with almost no new features. Very same 
functions need to searched.

Other "features":
suddenly dropped support for Word 2.0 files. You even cannot open it!
suddenly dropped support for RTF files.
suddenly dropped/changed plugins like Equation Editors, etc.
changed functions like indexing, styles, contents, etc. etc.
suddenly dropped/revolutionized pictures embedded (not bitmaps, just drawings 
like squares, circles, arrows, etc. )

This is only part of "advantages" mostly related to Word.


Hints:
1. Don't try to use advanced features if you really can avoid it.
2. Open all your documents and all the features like drawings or embedded 
objects.
3. If you can simply keep your old version! Yes, you can still have your 
ancient version of Office on you PC. Just use VirtualBox or other hypervisor 
and keep one or few virtual machines. Check your license terms, but if you had 
older version then usually you did not lost the license.


--- W dniu 15.08.2023 o 17:47, Steve Beaver pisze:

One thing that absolutely scares the hell out of me is converting
Office 2010 to any  of the new Office Products,

Has anyone converted?  What Problems did you have?

(yes, it is off-topic, but I couldn't resist)




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Re: Microsoft office

2023-08-19 Thread Bob Bridges
Wait - the new Word doesn't read RTF?!!

The other changes I'll cheerfully join you in deploring, but this is the only 
one that truly shocks me.

Not that I am fluent in RTF.  But I did write an ooRexx program once to convert 
a collection of plain-text error messages to a decent format using RTF (with 
numerous references to the latest specification) with the idea that it could 
then be imported into Word and book-ended with beginning and ending sections to 
make up a messages manual.

Once I started using LaTeX I recommended that we change the plan and do it that 
way instead, abandoning Word.  But I'm still shocked.

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-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Radoslaw Skorupka
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2023 14:04

Yes, I did.
Conversion from 2010 to any newer version was not a pain.
But NOTE: the more advanced features you use the more pain because of 
incompatibilities, dropped suport, etc.
The most painful migrations I remember:
1. Word 2.0 to 6.0
2. Word 2000 to XP
3. Word XP to 2003
4. Word 2003 or older to 2007

Ad 1.  A lot of incompatibilities, especially related to PL version. 
Polish letters (ąćęłńóśćżź) converted to "US-eng" codetable equivalents.
2. Dropped support for diagrams creator. I had to recreate it from scratch.
3. New errors which resulted abends during typo-check.
4. Completely changed user interface with almost no new features. Very same 
functions need to searched.

Other "features":
suddenly dropped support for Word 2.0 files. You even cannot open it!
suddenly dropped support for RTF files.
suddenly dropped/changed plugins like Equation Editors, etc.
changed functions like indexing, styles, contents, etc. etc.
suddenly dropped/revolutionized pictures embedded (not bitmaps, just drawings 
like squares, circles, arrows, etc. )

This is only part of "advantages" mostly related to Word.


Hints:
1. Don't try to use advanced features if you really can avoid it.
2. Open all your documents and all the features like drawings or embedded 
objects.
3. If you can simply keep your old version! Yes, you can still have your 
ancient version of Office on you PC. Just use VirtualBox or other hypervisor 
and keep one or few virtual machines. Check your license terms, but if you had 
older version then usually you did not lost the license.


--- W dniu 15.08.2023 o 17:47, Steve Beaver pisze:
> One thing that absolutely scares the hell out of me is converting 
> Office 2010 to any  of the new Office Products,
>
> Has anyone converted?  What Problems did you have?
>
> (yes, it is off-topic, but I couldn't resist)

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Has anyone

2023-08-19 Thread Tom Brennan
He had me at "Supports EBCDIC".  The other 2 hex editors on my PC don't, 
and I've had trouble in the past trying to convert in my head, 
especially lower case.  One time I remember running a test and purposely 
used only numbers as data because I could translate those easily.


On 8/19/2023 10:29 AM, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote:

Other advantages of HxD are:
1. It can edit large files. Much larger than you RAM.
2. It can be set up to "support LRECL" - very useful when working with 
files downloaded from z/OS (without CRLF).





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Re: Microsoft office

2023-08-19 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka

W dniu 15.08.2023 o 17:47, Steve Beaver pisze:

One thing that absolutely scares the hell out of me is converting Office
2010

To any  of the new Office Products,

  


Has anyone converted?  What Problems did you have?


(yes, it is off-topic, but I couldn't resist)

Yes, I did.
Conversion from 2010 to any newer version was not a pain.
But NOTE: the more advanced features you use the more pain because of 
incompatibilities, dropped suport, etc.

The most painful migrations I remember:
1. Word 2.0 to 6.0
2. Word 2000 to XP
3. Word XP to 2003
4. Word 2003 or older to 2007

Ad 1.  A lot of incompatibilities, especially related to PL version. 
Polish letters (ąćęłńóśćżź) converted to "US-eng" codetable equivalents.

2. Dropped support for diagrams creator. I had to recreate it from scratch.
3. New errors which resulted abends during typo-check.
4. Completely changed user interface with almost no new features. Very 
same functions need to searched.


Other "features":
suddenly dropped support for Word 2.0 files. You even cannot open it!
suddenly dropped support for RTF files.
suddenly dropped/changed plugins like Equation Editors, etc.
changed functions like indexing, styles, contents, etc. etc.
suddenly dropped/revolutionized pictures embedded (not bitmaps, just 
drawings like squares, circles, arrows, etc. )


This is only part of "advantages" mostly related to Word.


Hints:
1. Don't try to use advanced features if you really can avoid it.
2. Open all your documents and all the features like drawings or 
embedded objects.
3. If you can simply keep your old version! Yes, you can still have your 
ancient version of Office on you PC. Just use VirtualBox or other 
hypervisor and keep one or few virtual machines. Check your license 
terms, but if you had older version then usually you did not lost the 
license.




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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Has anyone

2023-08-19 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka

Other advantages of HxD are:
1. It can edit large files. Much larger than you RAM.
2. It can be set up to "support LRECL" - very useful when working with 
files downloaded from z/OS (without CRLF).



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W dniu 16.08.2023 o 00:46, Charles Mills pisze:

I use it. I have nothing to really compare it to, but it does the job for me. 
Supports EBCDIC.

Charles

On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 22:16:16 +, Pommier, Rex  
wrote:


I highly recommend "HxD hex edit".


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Re: Has anyone

2023-08-19 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
EBCDIC - WnBrowse. Very small, quite old, free. BTW: When no dedicated 
tool is available, then regular MS Word could be used.
XMIT - a bunch of viewers listed on cbttape.org. My preferred one is 
XiFrame Xmit Explorer.


BTW2: The above tools combined with 7zip or WinRAR provide quite nice 
set of tools for viewing SMP/E stuff. :-)


BTW3: Fortunately it is much more on-topic than MS Office. :-)

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W dniu 15.08.2023 o 23:58, Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw pisze:

For a HEX viewr, try the V fileviewer at www.fileviewer.com
It also recognises XMIT format and will even work with XMIT within XMIT.
I bought a license about 8 years back for very little.

Lennie

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Bob Bridges
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I use MS Office Pro Plus, but it's still 2019.  No plans to upgrade until I
must; often when I "upgrade" I find the new product doesn't do something I
wanted to continue doing.

For example, some years ago I set out to find a text editor that had a
hex-display feature.  I settled on Notepad++, and it was fine.  But one day
it offered an upgrade, and I accepted without fear.  Turns out, though,
they'd discontinued the hex feature.  Does anyone have a suggestion for a
replacement, by the way?

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Re: Strange results for the PS1 prompt with z/OS Unix

2023-08-19 Thread Sebastian Welton
On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 19:33:03 +0800, David Crayford  wrote:

>I'm feeling a bit puzzled here! Bash doesn't come pre-installed with
>z/OS; rather, it's a tool ported by Rocket, so there shouldn't be any
>compatibility problems, right? If IBM decides to include zsh, which is
>considered superior to bash, this could be a game-changer.

Currently trying this one out, not too sure if there is any Rocket influence or 
not:

https://github.com/ZOSOpenTools/bashport

Sebastian.

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