Re: RACF Database protection

2013-08-18 Thread Louis Losee
Lets be specific here.

On Aug 17, 2013, at 12:30 PM, Skip Robinson jo.skip.robin...@sce.com wrote:

 This exposure has been known--and discussed publicly--for several years. 
 It is NOT true that 'passwords are not stored'. If they weren't 'stored' 
 at all, then how could RACF validate the password you supply? They are in 
 fact stored in encrypted form. The encryption method itself is not a state 
 secret. It can be simulated.

The passwords are NOT stored.  The encrypted user id is stored
 
 
 The brute force method alluded to here starts with a copy of a RACF data 
 base. Then generated character strings are fed into an encryption program 
 until the encrypted form of some random string matches what's found in the 
 data base for a given userid. Voila. The password has been hacked. 
 

It is not possible to hack RACF passwords unless the user ids that access the 
system protected by RACF are known.  It is typically a difficult task to get a 
list of user ids without read access to the RACF database.

Even if you manage to come up with a list of user ids, it does you no good 
unless you have read access to the RACF database.  Even if two users have 
identical passwords they would be different in the database so cracking a 
password once does not allow simple checks to see if other users are using the 
same password.
  
 Once upon a time, it would have taken so long to perform this string match 
 that passwords would likely have changed in the meantime. Nowadays 
 computers all the way down to smart phones have gotten faster while the 
 encryption algorithms have remained the same. There is to my knowledge no 
 canonical defense for this hacking method. Best you can do is to prevent 
 the data base from being copied in the first place. 
 
 As for what to do with the 'culprit', did he abscond with data or commit 
 some other mischief? Or did he reveal his activity to management as a 
 wake-up call? The news today is replete with tales of 'ethical hackers'. 
 Should we lock them up or bestow medals? Motivation is everything. 
 
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 SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
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 From:   mmjuma mmj...@yahoo.com
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU, 
 Date:   08/17/2013 01:04 AM
 Subject:RACF Database protection
 Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 
 
 
 Hi list
 
 Some one in our section, he was able to download RACF data base file 
 SYS1.RACF.PRIM via ftp to PC, then he used some tool. He was able to get 
 uid and password of some users. He had now access to the file in 
 mainframe. I want to understand what happend, and how to protect against 
 such issue.
 
 
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Re: The z/OS V2.1 Migration PDF available

2013-08-09 Thread Louis Losee
Each page of the manual is formatted into two columns (like a newspaper.  When 
you finish reading the first column (on the left half of the page) you then 
have to scroll up to see the start of the column of the right half of the page 
to continue reading.

Most IBM manuals (with the notable exception of the Principles of Operation 
manual) are formatted such that the text runs from the left margin to the right 
margin allowing you to just scroll down to read it.  When you get to the bottom 
of the page you just continue to scroll to the next page.

Hope that helps.

Lou
On Aug 9, 2013, at 7:28 PM, Marna WALLE mwa...@us.ibm.com wrote:

 I'm sorry...I am really dense.  I'm not following what dual columns are.
 Are you referring to the template table that is used after the Description, 
 and before the Steps to Take?   Is it something else that just now appears in 
 the z/OS V2R1 Migration book, or has it been there all along?
 
 I wouldn't like to keep paging up and down online either, so I'd like to see 
 if there is something to be done about it.
 
 -Marna WALLE
 z/OS System Installation
 
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Re: The z/OS V2.1 Migration PDF available

2013-08-08 Thread Louis Losee
The migration specific format is nice, however, for online reading the dual 
columns cause the reader to constanly page up and down to read each page.


On Aug 8, 2013, at 4:51 PM, Marna WALLE mwa...@us.ibm.com wrote:

 Hi All,
 Since you mentioned the z/OS V2,1 Migration book being available, I thought I 
 would bring to your attention something.  It's different.
 
 We've tried a new format for the book, which I'm hoping will make it easier 
 to read.  We've divided up the chapters into which migration path you are on 
 (R12- V2.1,  or  R13- V2.1).  You read only the chapters that apply to you.
 
 Here's the layout:
 Chapter 1:  Introduction   for all users
 Chapter 2:  General migration actionsfor all users
 Chapter 3:  Migration from z/OS R13 for R13 - V2.1 users
 Chapter 4:  Migration from z/OS R12 for R12 - V2.1 users 
 
 R13-V2R1 :  Read Chapters 1, 2, and 3.  Skip Chapter 4.
 R12 - V2R1:  Read Chapter 1,2, and 4.  Skip chapter 3.
 
 Any feedback on this format is welcome!  
 -Marna WALLE
 z/OS System Installation
 
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