Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: ZZSA question
I believe that the interface to the HMC, whether line mode or 3270, is a Diagnose instruction, and that the HMC 3270 interface uses a standard 3270 data stream. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tom Brennan Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 4:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: ZZSA question Thanks, I need to see if I can look at the SADMP source code. I know how CCW's work for a 3270 unit at IPL time, but it would be interesting to see if a totally different method is used when CONSOLE=SYSC is coded. And I need to correct myself: I looked at my old SA ICKDSF notes and the console address needs to be coded in the loadparm, such as CNSL - so messages appear immediately with no interrupt needed. On 10/9/2018 11:52 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > TN3270 is a different animal from HMC, whether line mode or 3270 mode. TN3270 > to an ICC looks like a local non-SNA 3270. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of > Tom Brennan > Sent: Friday, October 5, 2018 11:52 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: ZZSA question > > I just tested ZZSA under Hercules and like I thought, when you connect > via Hercules TN3270 to simulate a console, after IPL no ZZSA messages > appear until you press Enter. That means ZZSA sits waiting for an > interrupt from a 3270 device, and uses that device for the rest of the > communication. To me, that means it works just like SADUMP, DFDSS, and > ICKDSF and there is no console configuration. > > On 10/5/2018 8:20 AM, Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) wrote: >> I've tested ZZSA under Hercules - Thanks to Sam Golob's fine work - but I >> didn't see how to define a console as an HMC integretated console (hmcs) ? >> >> -- >> Lionel B. Dyck (Contractor) < >> Mainframe Systems Programmer – RavenTek Solution Partners >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On >> Behalf Of Tom Brennan >> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 10:14 AM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: ZZSA question >> >> Oh... you mean HMC console. New answer: I did not try that, but prior to >> going to that site I had never user ZZSA before so I tested it under >> Hercules, and that simulates the HMC console I believe, so I'd bet the >> answer is yes. >> >> On 10/5/2018 8:07 AM, Tom Brennan wrote: >>> I used (well mostly watched) ZZSA work via ICC with no problems. That >>> was a couple of years ago on a new z13s with OSA 5S cards. >>> >>> On 10/5/2018 4:58 AM, Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) wrote: >>>> Does anyone know if the ZZSA tool (stand alone utilities) on the >>>> CBTTape can use the HMC Integrated Console? >>>> >>>> - >>>> - >>>> >>>> Lionel B. Dyck (Contractor) < >>>> Mainframe Systems Programmer - RavenTek Solution Partners >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO >>>> IBM-MAIN >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send >>> email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >>> >>> >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email >> to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: ZZSA question
Thanks, I need to see if I can look at the SADMP source code. I know how CCW's work for a 3270 unit at IPL time, but it would be interesting to see if a totally different method is used when CONSOLE=SYSC is coded. And I need to correct myself: I looked at my old SA ICKDSF notes and the console address needs to be coded in the loadparm, such as CNSL - so messages appear immediately with no interrupt needed. On 10/9/2018 11:52 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: TN3270 is a different animal from HMC, whether line mode or 3270 mode. TN3270 to an ICC looks like a local non-SNA 3270. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tom Brennan Sent: Friday, October 5, 2018 11:52 AM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: ZZSA question I just tested ZZSA under Hercules and like I thought, when you connect via Hercules TN3270 to simulate a console, after IPL no ZZSA messages appear until you press Enter. That means ZZSA sits waiting for an interrupt from a 3270 device, and uses that device for the rest of the communication. To me, that means it works just like SADUMP, DFDSS, and ICKDSF and there is no console configuration. On 10/5/2018 8:20 AM, Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) wrote: I've tested ZZSA under Hercules - Thanks to Sam Golob's fine work - but I didn't see how to define a console as an HMC integretated console (hmcs) ? -- Lionel B. Dyck (Contractor) < Mainframe Systems Programmer – RavenTek Solution Partners -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Brennan Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 10:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: ZZSA question Oh... you mean HMC console. New answer: I did not try that, but prior to going to that site I had never user ZZSA before so I tested it under Hercules, and that simulates the HMC console I believe, so I'd bet the answer is yes. On 10/5/2018 8:07 AM, Tom Brennan wrote: I used (well mostly watched) ZZSA work via ICC with no problems. That was a couple of years ago on a new z13s with OSA 5S cards. On 10/5/2018 4:58 AM, Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) wrote: Does anyone know if the ZZSA tool (stand alone utilities) on the CBTTape can use the HMC Integrated Console? - - Lionel B. Dyck (Contractor) < Mainframe Systems Programmer - RavenTek Solution Partners - - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: ZZSA question
TN3270 is a different animal from HMC, whether line mode or 3270 mode. TN3270 to an ICC looks like a local non-SNA 3270. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tom Brennan Sent: Friday, October 5, 2018 11:52 AM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: ZZSA question I just tested ZZSA under Hercules and like I thought, when you connect via Hercules TN3270 to simulate a console, after IPL no ZZSA messages appear until you press Enter. That means ZZSA sits waiting for an interrupt from a 3270 device, and uses that device for the rest of the communication. To me, that means it works just like SADUMP, DFDSS, and ICKDSF and there is no console configuration. On 10/5/2018 8:20 AM, Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) wrote: > I've tested ZZSA under Hercules - Thanks to Sam Golob's fine work - but I > didn't see how to define a console as an HMC integretated console (hmcs) ? > > -- > Lionel B. Dyck (Contractor) < > Mainframe Systems Programmer – RavenTek Solution Partners > > > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Tom Brennan > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 10:14 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: ZZSA question > > Oh... you mean HMC console. New answer: I did not try that, but prior to > going to that site I had never user ZZSA before so I tested it under > Hercules, and that simulates the HMC console I believe, so I'd bet the answer > is yes. > > On 10/5/2018 8:07 AM, Tom Brennan wrote: >> I used (well mostly watched) ZZSA work via ICC with no problems. That >> was a couple of years ago on a new z13s with OSA 5S cards. >> >> On 10/5/2018 4:58 AM, Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) wrote: >>> Does anyone know if the ZZSA tool (stand alone utilities) on the >>> CBTTape can use the HMC Integrated Console? >>> >>> - >>> - >>> >>> Lionel B. Dyck (Contractor) < >>> Mainframe Systems Programmer - RavenTek Solution Partners >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO >>> IBM-MAIN >>> >>> >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send >> email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to > lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: ZZSA question
I just tested ZZSA under Hercules and like I thought, when you connect via Hercules TN3270 to simulate a console, after IPL no ZZSA messages appear until you press Enter. That means ZZSA sits waiting for an interrupt from a 3270 device, and uses that device for the rest of the communication. To me, that means it works just like SADUMP, DFDSS, and ICKDSF and there is no console configuration. On 10/5/2018 8:20 AM, Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) wrote: I've tested ZZSA under Hercules - Thanks to Sam Golob's fine work - but I didn't see how to define a console as an HMC integretated console (hmcs) ? -- Lionel B. Dyck (Contractor) < Mainframe Systems Programmer – RavenTek Solution Partners -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Brennan Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 10:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: ZZSA question Oh... you mean HMC console. New answer: I did not try that, but prior to going to that site I had never user ZZSA before so I tested it under Hercules, and that simulates the HMC console I believe, so I'd bet the answer is yes. On 10/5/2018 8:07 AM, Tom Brennan wrote: I used (well mostly watched) ZZSA work via ICC with no problems. That was a couple of years ago on a new z13s with OSA 5S cards. On 10/5/2018 4:58 AM, Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) wrote: Does anyone know if the ZZSA tool (stand alone utilities) on the CBTTape can use the HMC Integrated Console? - - Lionel B. Dyck (Contractor) < Mainframe Systems Programmer - RavenTek Solution Partners - - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: ZZSA question
I've tested ZZSA under Hercules - Thanks to Sam Golob's fine work - but I didn't see how to define a console as an HMC integretated console (hmcs) ? -- Lionel B. Dyck (Contractor) < Mainframe Systems Programmer – RavenTek Solution Partners -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Brennan Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 10:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: ZZSA question Oh... you mean HMC console. New answer: I did not try that, but prior to going to that site I had never user ZZSA before so I tested it under Hercules, and that simulates the HMC console I believe, so I'd bet the answer is yes. On 10/5/2018 8:07 AM, Tom Brennan wrote: > I used (well mostly watched) ZZSA work via ICC with no problems. That > was a couple of years ago on a new z13s with OSA 5S cards. > > On 10/5/2018 4:58 AM, Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) wrote: >> Does anyone know if the ZZSA tool (stand alone utilities) on the >> CBTTape can use the HMC Integrated Console? >> >> - >> - >> >> Lionel B. Dyck (Contractor) < >> Mainframe Systems Programmer - RavenTek Solution Partners >> >> >> >> - >> - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO >> IBM-MAIN >> >> > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
