Re: CCSID descriptions

2021-01-14 Thread David Price 
Wikipedia used to have some great articles on each of the EBCDIC Code Pages.

In July 2020 someone marked all 120+ pages for deletion for "lack of 
notability".
In accordance with procedure, the relevant committee voted on this, and the 
majority decision was to keep the pages.
However the individual ignored the vote, and deleted all 120+ pages.

Pushback forced the individual to say they could be transwiki-ed to wikibooks 
if somebody else did it, but he showed no regret for his deletion actually 
preventing that from happening.

The revisionist history was invented that it was a consensus decision to 
delete/transwiki those pages.
Wikipedia's own logs reveal something different.

The URLs had the form  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBCDIC_500  which can be 
viewed at
https://web.archive.org/web/20200724140250/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBCDIC_500

In the case of  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBCDIC_1140  it pointed to 
EBCDIC_037 as in
https://web.archive.org/web/20200712175228if_/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBCDIC_037#CP1140
because EBCDIC 1140 is just EBCDIC 037 with the square lozenge ICU 
(International Currency Unit) symbol replaced with the Euro symbol.

Attempts to reconstruct some of these deleted web pages, such as
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:EBCDIC_037   or the links in
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Requests_for_import/Archives/2020/September
are incomplete or misleading templates in their current state.

Strangely the same kinds of Wikipedia articles for non-EBCDIC code pages remain 
untouched.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows-1252
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Latin_character_sets_(computing)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_page_437

Was EBCDIC targeted through ignorance or malice?

My next donation to Wikipedia is scheduled for when all 120+ EBCDIC pages are 
reinstated on Wikipedia itself. 


On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 08:17:23 -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 09:04:03 -0600, Norbert Friemel wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 08:58:49 +, Windt, W.K.F. van der (Fred) wrote:
>>>
>>>The IBM website used to have complete descriptions of every CCSID including 
>>>a complete overview of every character (glyph) in that CCSID with it's 
>>>encoding. Simply googling "IBM CCSID 1140" would quickly get you to the page 
>>>of CCSID 1140. The CCSID was in the url so you could quickly switch to 
>>>another CCSID by changing the url. But with the change to Knowledge Center I 
>>>can't find those pages anymore... Does anybody know where the CCCSID 
>>>descriptions have gone?
>>
>>Not a website but ... 
>>ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/globalization/gcoc/attachments/
>> 
>That would benefit greatly from an index mapping countries to CCSIDs.
>
>

The old website is (partly) archived @ 

I don't know how usable it is

Norbert Friemel

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Re: CCSID descriptions

2021-01-14 Thread Norbert Friemel 
On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 08:17:23 -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 09:04:03 -0600, Norbert Friemel wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 08:58:49 +, Windt, W.K.F. van der (Fred) wrote:
>>>
>>>The IBM website used to have complete descriptions of every CCSID including 
>>>a complete overview of every character (glyph) in that CCSID with it's 
>>>encoding. Simply googling "IBM CCSID 1140" would quickly get you to the page 
>>>of CCSID 1140. The CCSID was in the url so you could quickly switch to 
>>>another CCSID by changing the url. But with the change to Knowledge Center I 
>>>can't find those pages anymore... Does anybody know where the CCCSID 
>>>descriptions have gone?
>>
>>Not a website but ... 
>>ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/globalization/gcoc/attachments/
>> 
>That would benefit greatly from an index mapping countries to CCSIDs.
>
>

The old website is (partly) archived @ 

I don't know how usable it is

Norbert Friemel

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Re: CCSID descriptions

2021-01-14 Thread Paul Gilmartin 
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 09:04:03 -0600, Norbert Friemel wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 08:58:49 +, Windt, W.K.F. van der (Fred) wrote:
>>
>>The IBM website used to have complete descriptions of every CCSID including a 
>>complete overview of every character (glyph) in that CCSID with it's 
>>encoding. Simply googling "IBM CCSID 1140" would quickly get you to the page 
>>of CCSID 1140. The CCSID was in the url so you could quickly switch to 
>>another CCSID by changing the url. But with the change to Knowledge Center I 
>>can't find those pages anymore... Does anybody know where the CCCSID 
>>descriptions have gone?
>
>Not a website but ... 
>ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/globalization/gcoc/attachments/
> 
That would benefit greatly from an index mapping countries to CCSIDs.


On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 09:16:08 -0800, Tom Brennan wrote:

>After the last time things were changed, I've been going here:
>https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSEQ5Y_5.9.0/com.ibm.pcomm.doc/reference/html/hcp_reference02.htm
>
Grrr... both of those are images rather than text, so I can't simply open,
e.g., File:CP01154.pdf, type "Ж" in a search box, and see it highlighted
at coordinate x'EC'. 

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Re: CCSID descriptions

2021-01-13 Thread Windt, W.K.F. van der (Fred) 
Ah, that is at least part of the information that was previously available. 
Thank for the tip!

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After the last time things were changed, I've been going here:

https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ibm.com%2Fsupport%2Fknowledgecenter%2FSSEQ5Y_5.9.0%2Fcom.ibm.pcomm.doc%2Freference%2Fhtml%2Fhcp_reference02.htmdata=04%7C01%7CFred.van.der.Windt%40ing.com%7Cf02dd3ba16f04ebb607d08d8b7e6f41e%7C587b6ea13db94fe1a9d785d4c64ce5cc%7C0%7C0%7C637461549862419122%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=af4SpUP5BEmorjeaKGMZES7OvSGuSwVLR88n4Dm%2FsaY%3Dreserved=0

On 1/13/2021 12:58 AM, Windt, W.K.F. van der (Fred) wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The IBM website used to have complete descriptions of every CCSID including a 
> complete overview of every character (glyph) in that CCSID with it's 
> encoding. Simply googling "IBM CCSID 1140" would quickly get you to the page 
> of CCSID 1140. The CCSID was in the url so you could quickly switch to 
> another CCSID by changing the url. But with the change to Knowledge Center I 
> can't find those pages anymore... Does anybody know where the CCCSID 
> descriptions have gone?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Fred!
>
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Re: CCSID descriptions

2021-01-13 Thread Tom Brennan 

After the last time things were changed, I've been going here:

https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSEQ5Y_5.9.0/com.ibm.pcomm.doc/reference/html/hcp_reference02.htm

On 1/13/2021 12:58 AM, Windt, W.K.F. van der (Fred) wrote:

Hi,

The IBM website used to have complete descriptions of every CCSID including a complete 
overview of every character (glyph) in that CCSID with it's encoding. Simply googling 
"IBM CCSID 1140" would quickly get you to the page of CCSID 1140. The CCSID was 
in the url so you could quickly switch to another CCSID by changing the url. But with the 
change to Knowledge Center I can't find those pages anymore... Does anybody know where 
the CCCSID descriptions have gone?

Thanks,

Fred!

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Re: CCSID descriptions

2021-01-13 Thread Norbert Friemel 
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 08:58:49 +, Windt, W.K.F. van der (Fred) wrote:

>Hi,
>
>The IBM website used to have complete descriptions of every CCSID including a 
>complete overview of every character (glyph) in that CCSID with it's encoding. 
>Simply googling "IBM CCSID 1140" would quickly get you to the page of CCSID 
>1140. The CCSID was in the url so you could quickly switch to another CCSID by 
>changing the url. But with the change to Knowledge Center I can't find those 
>pages anymore... Does anybody know where the CCCSID descriptions have gone?
>

Not a website but ... 
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/globalization/gcoc/attachments/

Norbert Friemel

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CCSID descriptions

2021-01-13 Thread Windt, W.K.F. van der (Fred) 
Hi,

The IBM website used to have complete descriptions of every CCSID including a 
complete overview of every character (glyph) in that CCSID with it's encoding. 
Simply googling "IBM CCSID 1140" would quickly get you to the page of CCSID 
1140. The CCSID was in the url so you could quickly switch to another CCSID by 
changing the url. But with the change to Knowledge Center I can't find those 
pages anymore... Does anybody know where the CCCSID descriptions have gone?

Thanks,

Fred!

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