Re: Dasd Mod conversion mod9 to mod27

2022-10-03 Thread Seymour J Metz
The AFAIK a V OFFLINE, a V ONLINE and a reinitialize should be all you need. If 
the conversion preserves the original data then REFVTOC rather than initialize 
should work.


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It's the same UCB

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> We are planning to perform mod conversion of mod 9 to nod 27 from DS8K.
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> Post the mod conversion before initializing are there any other steps needs
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Re: Dasd Mod conversion mod9 to mod27

2022-10-03 Thread Paul Gorlinsky
Yes, If they are truly empty, then reinit is good. We couldn't tell if they had 
data or not based on the message chain ... 

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Re: Dasd Mod conversion mod9 to mod27

2022-10-03 Thread Jake Anderson
Nigel

These are just a empty volumes which are mod9 and I wanted to convert them
to mod27 on both DR and Production site.



I believe instead of REFVTOC reinitializing the volume will do good ?

On Mon, Oct 3, 2022, 5:37 PM Nigel Morton  wrote:

> ICKDSF REFVTOC so that the VTOC reflects the increase in size and free
> space. If the volumes are in copy services relationships, they will
> probably need to be rebuilt and you'll need to change the size of secondary
> volumes. Consider the number of PAV aliases you define - maybe you would
> benefit from more with bigger volumes? I'd disable the volumes for new
> allocations while I was doing the conversion at the very least although I'd
> prefer to define new volumes and use something like TDMF to move the data
> to give the opportunity to use larger VTOC/VTOC index.
>
> Out of curiosity, why not go to 3390-54s if you have the space?
>
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> > > We are planning to perform mod conversion of mod 9 to nod 27 from DS8K.
> > >
> > > Post the mod conversion before initializing are there any other steps
> > needs
> > > to be performed in zOS ?
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Re: Dasd Mod conversion mod9 to mod27

2022-10-03 Thread Nigel Morton
ICKDSF REFVTOC so that the VTOC reflects the increase in size and free
space. If the volumes are in copy services relationships, they will
probably need to be rebuilt and you'll need to change the size of secondary
volumes. Consider the number of PAV aliases you define - maybe you would
benefit from more with bigger volumes? I'd disable the volumes for new
allocations while I was doing the conversion at the very least although I'd
prefer to define new volumes and use something like TDMF to move the data
to give the opportunity to use larger VTOC/VTOC index.

Out of curiosity, why not go to 3390-54s if you have the space?

On Mon, 3 Oct 2022 at 14:22, Jake Anderson  wrote:

> Addresses are not changing
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> It's the same UCB
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> On Mon, Oct 3, 2022, 5:14 PM Seymour J Metz  wrote:
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> > HCD if addresses have changed.
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> > Subject: Dasd Mod conversion mod9 to mod27
> >
> > Hello
> >
> > We are planning to perform mod conversion of mod 9 to nod 27 from DS8K.
> >
> > Post the mod conversion before initializing are there any other steps
> needs
> > to be performed in zOS ?
> >
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Re: Dasd Mod conversion mod9 to mod27

2022-10-03 Thread Paul Gorlinsky
For the most part, z/OS versions from the last couple of decades, perform 
SenseID, RDC and RCD CCWs to determine the device type and characteristics of 
the device, that is the number of cylinders and if EAV is supported. That being 
said, you should not have to do anything but either VARY ON/OFF or IPL.

The DS8K will report the correct number of CYLs to the OS. 

Use DS QD,,RDC,RCD where  is an address and the response will look like:
IEE459I 09.28.56 DEVSERV QDASD 771   
 UNIT VOLSER SCUTYPE DEVTYPE   CYL  SSID SCU-SERIAL DEV-SERIAL EFC   
03040 RES250 2107961 2107900 10017  3000 0175-ZB771 0175-ZB771 *OK  
 10017 CYL count
  READ DEVICE CHARACTERISTIC 
2107E833900C5E84 1FF720322721000F E000E5A205940222 13090674 
  <<< 2107E8 3390-0C 
 32321F02DFEE0001 0677080F007F4800 003C2721  
  READ CONFIGURATION DATA
DC010100F0F0F2F1 F0F7F9F0F0C9C2D4 F7F5F0F0F0F0F0F0 F0E9C2F7F7F11040  
D402F0F0F2F1 F0F7F9F6F1C9C2D4 F7F5F0F0F0F0F0F0 F0E9C2F7F7F11000  
D000F0F0F2F1 F0F7F9F6F1C9C2D4 F7F5F0F0F0F0F0F0 F0E9C2F7F7F01000  
F001F0F0F2F1 F0F7F9F0F0C9C2D4 F7F5F0F0F0F0F0F0 F0E9C2F7F7F11000  
     
     
     
83012D001E00 30430201 0008C04004FEF44C 03012800  
  1 DEVICE(S) MET THE SELECTION CRITERIA 
  0 DEVICE(S) FAILED EXTENDED FUNCTION CHECKING  
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Re: Dasd Mod conversion mod9 to mod27

2022-10-03 Thread Jake Anderson
Addresses are not changing

It's the same UCB

On Mon, Oct 3, 2022, 5:14 PM Seymour J Metz  wrote:

> HCD if addresses have changed.
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>
> Hello
>
> We are planning to perform mod conversion of mod 9 to nod 27 from DS8K.
>
> Post the mod conversion before initializing are there any other steps needs
> to be performed in zOS ?
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Re: Dasd Mod conversion mod9 to mod27

2022-10-03 Thread Seymour J Metz
HCD if addresses have changed.


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Subject: Dasd Mod conversion mod9 to mod27

Hello

We are planning to perform mod conversion of mod 9 to nod 27 from DS8K.

Post the mod conversion before initializing are there any other steps needs
to be performed in zOS ?

Jake

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Dasd Mod conversion mod9 to mod27

2022-10-03 Thread Jake Anderson
Hello

We are planning to perform mod conversion of mod 9 to nod 27 from DS8K.

Post the mod conversion before initializing are there any other steps needs
to be performed in zOS ?

Jake

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