Re: Disturbing news in the z/OS 2.4 announcement letter
A later version of the Announcement (July) makes no mention of WSA. I am not sure what to make of that. On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 2:23 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > ObGungaDin It was clunky; it badly needed multi-line and block copy. But > it was better than nothing. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of Steve Smith > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 2:14 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Disturbing news in the z/OS 2.4 announcement letter > > I so mentally interpolated an "sh" in there :-). > > I always wanted to like WSA, but it seemed very clunky vs. my > expectations. I never thought of it as a file transfer tool, merely as a > way to edit locally. > > sas > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 1:59 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > > > I never used WSA as a file transfer application, only to run parallel > ISPF > > sessions. If they open sourced that piece of it I'd be happy. > > > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Disturbing news in the z/OS 2.4 announcement letter
ObGungaDin It was clunky; it badly needed multi-line and block copy. But it was better than nothing. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Steve Smith Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 2:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Disturbing news in the z/OS 2.4 announcement letter I so mentally interpolated an "sh" in there :-). I always wanted to like WSA, but it seemed very clunky vs. my expectations. I never thought of it as a file transfer tool, merely as a way to edit locally. sas On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 1:59 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > I never used WSA as a file transfer application, only to run parallel ISPF > sessions. If they open sourced that piece of it I'd be happy. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Disturbing news in the z/OS 2.4 announcement letter
I so mentally interpolated an "sh" in there :-). I always wanted to like WSA, but it seemed very clunky vs. my expectations. I never thought of it as a file transfer tool, merely as a way to edit locally. sas On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 1:59 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > I never used WSA as a file transfer application, only to run parallel ISPF > sessions. If they open sourced that piece of it I'd be happy. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Disturbing news in the z/OS 2.4 announcement letter
I never used WSA as a file transfer application, only to run parallel ISPF sessions. If they open sourced that piece of it I'd be happy. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 1:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Disturbing news in the z/OS 2.4 announcement letter On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 19:13:44 +, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote: > >Yes, I spotted this too. I've been too busy to spare time to think about it, >but I too use it for seamless file transfer to/from my laptop, and would miss >that functionality. I suspect IBM would be pushing other, more cumbersome >technologies like IDz. > I have been very satisfied with NFS. It provides file access that I consider more convenient than "file transfer". I'm puzzled that NFS is not more widely accepted. >I was also wondering whether IBM might be willing to open source the WSA :-) -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Disturbing news in the z/OS 2.4 announcement letter
On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 19:13:44 +, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote: > >Yes, I spotted this too. I've been too busy to spare time to think about it, >but I too use it for seamless file transfer to/from my laptop, and would miss >that functionality. I suspect IBM would be pushing other, more cumbersome >technologies like IDz. > I have been very satisfied with NFS. It provides file access that I consider more convenient than "file transfer". I'm puzzled that NFS is not more widely accepted. >I was also wondering whether IBM might be willing to open source the WSA :-) -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Disturbing news in the z/OS 2.4 announcement letter
W dniu 2019-03-13 o 20:09, Don Leahy pisze: "Withdrawal of ISPF Workstation Agent (WSA) z/OS V2.4 is planned to be the last release to support the ISPF Workstation Agent (WSA), also known as the ISPF Client/Server Component. WSA is an application that runs on your local workstation and maintains a connection between the workstation and the ISPF host. It is primarily used to transfer files between the workstation and the host. IBM recommends using more current file transfer solutions such as those provided by the Zowe Dataset Explorer, z/OS FTP, and similar file transfer mechanisms. These solutions have more capabilities, including the ability to provide secure communications." I have a lot of tools in my box that rely on WSA. WSA is so easy to automate using ISPF services that I will hard pressed to find alternatives that are as seamless to use. On the other hand, I am only a few years away from retirement so I may not bother. :-) Well, While I like WSA, I see how moribound was it last 15-20 years. So, the future of WAS was rather clear for me. From the other hand - why to remove something? Is it part of closing alternatives to new shining tool, or just something in new system broken WSA and instead of fixing it decision was to remove WSA at all. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2018 r. wynosi 169.248.488 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169,248,488 as at 1 January 2018. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Disturbing news in the z/OS 2.4 announcement letter
True. You can use emulators fir file transfer, but they allow control over menu items so you can block this option. There are also z/os side option to block / control use of ind$file. ITschak בתאריך יום ה׳, 14 במרץ 2019, 5:48, מאת Mike Schwab : > Several TN3270E emulators offer file transfer windows. Doesn't Rocket > Software offer something similar? > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 2:09 PM Don Leahy wrote: > > > > "Withdrawal of ISPF Workstation Agent (WSA) > > > > z/OS V2.4 is planned to be the last release to support the ISPF > Workstation > > Agent (WSA), also known as the ISPF Client/Server Component. WSA is an > > application that runs on your local workstation and maintains a > connection > > between the workstation and the ISPF host. It is primarily used to > transfer > > files between the workstation and the host. IBM recommends using more > > current file transfer solutions such as those provided by the Zowe > Dataset > > Explorer, z/OS FTP, and similar file transfer mechanisms. These solutions > > have more capabilities, including the ability to provide secure > > communications." > > > > > > I have a lot of tools in my box that rely on WSA. WSA is so easy to > > automate using ISPF services that I will hard pressed to find > alternatives > > that are as seamless to use. > > > > On the other hand, I am only a few years away from retirement so I may > not > > bother. :-) > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA > Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Disturbing news in the z/OS 2.4 announcement letter
See Zowe > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Don Leahy > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 12:09 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Disturbing news in the z/OS 2.4 announcement letter > > "Withdrawal of ISPF Workstation Agent (WSA) > > z/OS V2.4 is planned to be the last release to support the ISPF Workstation > Agent (WSA), also known as the ISPF Client/Server Component. WSA is an > application that runs on your local workstation and maintains a connection > between the workstation and the ISPF host. It is primarily used to transfer > files between the workstation and the host. IBM recommends using more > current file transfer solutions such as those provided by the Zowe Dataset > Explorer, z/OS FTP, and similar file transfer mechanisms. These solutions > have more capabilities, including the ability to provide secure > communications." > > > I have a lot of tools in my box that rely on WSA. WSA is so easy to automate > using ISPF services that I will hard pressed to find alternatives that are as > seamless to use. > > On the other hand, I am only a few years away from retirement so I may not > bother. :-) > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to > lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Disturbing news in the z/OS 2.4 announcement letter
Several TN3270E emulators offer file transfer windows. Doesn't Rocket Software offer something similar? On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 2:09 PM Don Leahy wrote: > > "Withdrawal of ISPF Workstation Agent (WSA) > > z/OS V2.4 is planned to be the last release to support the ISPF Workstation > Agent (WSA), also known as the ISPF Client/Server Component. WSA is an > application that runs on your local workstation and maintains a connection > between the workstation and the ISPF host. It is primarily used to transfer > files between the workstation and the host. IBM recommends using more > current file transfer solutions such as those provided by the Zowe Dataset > Explorer, z/OS FTP, and similar file transfer mechanisms. These solutions > have more capabilities, including the ability to provide secure > communications." > > > I have a lot of tools in my box that rely on WSA. WSA is so easy to > automate using ISPF services that I will hard pressed to find alternatives > that are as seamless to use. > > On the other hand, I am only a few years away from retirement so I may not > bother. :-) > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Disturbing news in the z/OS 2.4 announcement letter
You said that... seamless ftp. Not only that. If two or more users are using wsa, they can switch sessions or even steal a session. The user just have to reply to a message that pops on his terminal, exactly as he click on spam emails... No wonder that ibm is going to drop it. ITschak בתאריך יום ד׳, 13 במרץ 2019, 21:14, מאת Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) <00d68f765d25-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>: > Classification: Public > Yes, I spotted this too. I've been too busy to spare time to think about > it, but I too use it for seamless file transfer to/from my laptop, and > would miss that functionality. I suspect IBM would be pushing other, more > cumbersome technologies like IDz. > > I was also wondering whether IBM might be willing to open source the WSA > :-) > > Andy Styles > z/Series System Programmer > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Don Leahy > Sent: 13 March 2019 19:09 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Disturbing news in the z/OS 2.4 announcement letter > > -- This email has reached the Bank via an external source -- > > > "Withdrawal of ISPF Workstation Agent (WSA) > > z/OS V2.4 is planned to be the last release to support the ISPF > Workstation Agent (WSA), also known as the ISPF Client/Server Component. > WSA is an application that runs on your local workstation and maintains a > connection between the workstation and the ISPF host. It is primarily used > to transfer files between the workstation and the host. IBM recommends > using more current file transfer solutions such as those provided by the > Zowe Dataset Explorer, z/OS FTP, and similar file transfer mechanisms. > These solutions have more capabilities, including the ability to provide > secure communications." > > > I have a lot of tools in my box that rely on WSA. WSA is so easy to > automate using ISPF services that I will hard pressed to find alternatives > that are as seamless to use. > > On the other hand, I am only a few years away from retirement so I may not > bother. :-) > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > Lloyds Banking Group plc. Registered Office: The Mound, Edinburgh EH1 1YZ. > Registered in Scotland no. SC95000. Telephone: 0131 225 4555. > > > > Lloyds Bank plc. Registered Office: 25 Gresham Street, London EC2V 7HN. > Registered in England and Wales no. 2065. Telephone 0207626 1500. > > > > Bank of Scotland plc. Registered Office: The Mound, Edinburgh EH1 1YZ. > Registered in Scotland no. SC327000. Telephone: 03457 801 801. > > > > Lloyds Bank Corporate Markets plc. Registered office: 25 Gresham Street, > London EC2V 7HN. Registered in England and Wales no. 10399850. > > > > Lloyds Bank plc, Bank of Scotland plc and Lloyds Bank Corporate Markets > plc are authorised by the Prudential Regulation Authority and regulated by > the Financial Conduct Authority and Prudential Regulation Authority. > > > > Lloyds Bank Corporate Markets Wertpapierhandelsbank GmbH is a wholly-owned > subsidiary of Lloyds Bank Corporate Markets plc. Lloyds Bank Corporate > Markets Wertpapierhandelsbank GmbH has its registered office at > Thurn-und-Taxis Platz 6, 60312 Frankfurt, Germany. The company is > registered with the Amtsgericht Frankfurt am Main, HRB 111650. Lloyds Bank > Corporate Markets Wertpapierhandelsbank GmbH is supervised by the > Bundesanstalt für Finanzdienstleistungsaufsicht. > > > > Halifax is a division of Bank of Scotland plc. > > > > HBOS plc. Registered Office: The Mound, Edinburgh EH1 1YZ. Registered in > Scotland no. SC218813. > > > > This e-mail (including any attachments) is private and confidential and > may contain privileged material. If you have received this e-mail in error, > please notify the sender and delete it (including any attachments) > immediately. You must not copy, distribute, disclose or use any of the > information in it or any attachments. Telephone calls may be monitored or > recorded. > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Disturbing news in the z/OS 2.4 announcement letter
Classification: Public Yes, I spotted this too. I've been too busy to spare time to think about it, but I too use it for seamless file transfer to/from my laptop, and would miss that functionality. I suspect IBM would be pushing other, more cumbersome technologies like IDz. I was also wondering whether IBM might be willing to open source the WSA :-) Andy Styles z/Series System Programmer -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Don Leahy Sent: 13 March 2019 19:09 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Disturbing news in the z/OS 2.4 announcement letter -- This email has reached the Bank via an external source -- "Withdrawal of ISPF Workstation Agent (WSA) z/OS V2.4 is planned to be the last release to support the ISPF Workstation Agent (WSA), also known as the ISPF Client/Server Component. WSA is an application that runs on your local workstation and maintains a connection between the workstation and the ISPF host. It is primarily used to transfer files between the workstation and the host. IBM recommends using more current file transfer solutions such as those provided by the Zowe Dataset Explorer, z/OS FTP, and similar file transfer mechanisms. These solutions have more capabilities, including the ability to provide secure communications." I have a lot of tools in my box that rely on WSA. WSA is so easy to automate using ISPF services that I will hard pressed to find alternatives that are as seamless to use. On the other hand, I am only a few years away from retirement so I may not bother. :-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Lloyds Banking Group plc. Registered Office: The Mound, Edinburgh EH1 1YZ. Registered in Scotland no. SC95000. Telephone: 0131 225 4555. Lloyds Bank plc. Registered Office: 25 Gresham Street, London EC2V 7HN. Registered in England and Wales no. 2065. Telephone 0207626 1500. Bank of Scotland plc. Registered Office: The Mound, Edinburgh EH1 1YZ. Registered in Scotland no. SC327000. Telephone: 03457 801 801. Lloyds Bank Corporate Markets plc. Registered office: 25 Gresham Street, London EC2V 7HN. Registered in England and Wales no. 10399850. Lloyds Bank plc, Bank of Scotland plc and Lloyds Bank Corporate Markets plc are authorised by the Prudential Regulation Authority and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority and Prudential Regulation Authority. Lloyds Bank Corporate Markets Wertpapierhandelsbank GmbH is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Lloyds Bank Corporate Markets plc. Lloyds Bank Corporate Markets Wertpapierhandelsbank GmbH has its registered office at Thurn-und-Taxis Platz 6, 60312 Frankfurt, Germany. The company is registered with the Amtsgericht Frankfurt am Main, HRB 111650. Lloyds Bank Corporate Markets Wertpapierhandelsbank GmbH is supervised by the Bundesanstalt für Finanzdienstleistungsaufsicht. Halifax is a division of Bank of Scotland plc. HBOS plc. Registered Office: The Mound, Edinburgh EH1 1YZ. Registered in Scotland no. SC218813. This e-mail (including any attachments) is private and confidential and may contain privileged material. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete it (including any attachments) immediately. You must not copy, distribute, disclose or use any of the information in it or any attachments. Telephone calls may be monitored or recorded. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Disturbing news in the z/OS 2.4 announcement letter
You should be good then! V2.4 should be supported for 4 years from fall of 2019 if I am not mistaken _ Dave Jousma Mainframe Engineering, Assistant Vice President david.jou...@53.com 1830 East Paris, Grand Rapids, MI 49546 MD RSCB2H p 616.653.8429 f 616.653.2717 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Don Leahy Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 3:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Disturbing news in the z/OS 2.4 announcement letter **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected emails** "Withdrawal of ISPF Workstation Agent (WSA) z/OS V2.4 is planned to be the last release to support the ISPF Workstation Agent (WSA), also known as the ISPF Client/Server Component. WSA is an application that runs on your local workstation and maintains a connection between the workstation and the ISPF host. It is primarily used to transfer files between the workstation and the host. IBM recommends using more current file transfer solutions such as those provided by the Zowe Dataset Explorer, z/OS FTP, and similar file transfer mechanisms. These solutions have more capabilities, including the ability to provide secure communications." I have a lot of tools in my box that rely on WSA. WSA is so easy to automate using ISPF services that I will hard pressed to find alternatives that are as seamless to use. On the other hand, I am only a few years away from retirement so I may not bother. :-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected emails** This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Disturbing news in the z/OS 2.4 announcement letter
"Withdrawal of ISPF Workstation Agent (WSA) z/OS V2.4 is planned to be the last release to support the ISPF Workstation Agent (WSA), also known as the ISPF Client/Server Component. WSA is an application that runs on your local workstation and maintains a connection between the workstation and the ISPF host. It is primarily used to transfer files between the workstation and the host. IBM recommends using more current file transfer solutions such as those provided by the Zowe Dataset Explorer, z/OS FTP, and similar file transfer mechanisms. These solutions have more capabilities, including the ability to provide secure communications." I have a lot of tools in my box that rely on WSA. WSA is so easy to automate using ISPF services that I will hard pressed to find alternatives that are as seamless to use. On the other hand, I am only a few years away from retirement so I may not bother. :-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
