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Thanks -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ed Finnell Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 5:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: FW: FW: z10 IPL from Utility Tape The OP was the z/OS Lpar wouldn't activate after power outage with apparent configuration issues. All the backups are DDF images. The support structure recommends reloading the DS6800. They've been down for weeks at this site and is 1300 miles from mother ship. In a message dated 5/8/2014 4:22:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time, august.cari...@avon.com writes: The part that’s confusing me , I guess I missed something, but where does a working z/os image come in play here ? Please let me know where I missed that I thought he was just talking about a z/10 in a remote location running VM I did not follow all of it either -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Why do you need a op system to validate the I/O ? You should be able to see the CHPID's that are online and operating from the HMC The CE should be able to do this from single object mode or from service mode As mentioned if DASD looks OK, it is just a matter of accessing it You can build a new I/O gen standalone with just enough devices to get the system up This is all what if - being a lot of info was not supplied But if you can't just change the load address and IPL from a utility tape sounds like it can't even find the drive Which points to I/O config 3 dif utils can be tried ICKDSF only needs the tape drive and a console, same w/ DDR, or SA VM image Loader All depends how tape was created , if tape is in doubt maybe there is a orig install tape floating around, But once again was it install from tape or CD etc. lots of unknowns here -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ed Finnell Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 8:06 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z10 IPL from Utility Tape Think the key is get a working VM system by whatever means available. From there validate IO config. Attach a few devices and see if they've got any data. Make a z/OS guest with required devices and see if it will fly. In a message dated 5/7/2014 5:54:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jperr...@pacbell.net writes: If the original volume was not IPL'able, then maybe the IPL data got damaged. You could try updating the IPL data on the RES volume from the starter system. If in the worst case, you should still be able to re-use existing volumes. Hardware support told you the DS6800 is fine. Instead of purging and reconfigure, you should be able to retain the current volumes. If you have access to the existing user definitions, then you should be able to retain existing user volumes. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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And where is this DVD going to load to if cpu / lpar whatever is not seeing any devices ? To single line edit mode on HMC Can't even get to ICC if OSA /OSC is not reconized -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Schwab Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 2:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z10 IPL from Utility Tape http://www.vm.ibm.com/eval/ is the page to download the evaluation z/VM ?5.3?). Or ordering 5.2, 5.3, 6.1. Get the file downloaded and burned on a DVD-R by the local staff and inserted into the DVD drive. http://www.cbttape.org/~jjaeger/zzsa.html Is the stand alone ZZSA files. CD-R. On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Karl Severson karl_j_sever...@raytheon.com wrote: If the original volume was not IPL'able, then maybe the IPL data got damaged. You could try updating the IPL data on the RES volume from the starter system. If in the worst case, you should still be able to re-use existing volumes. Hardware support told you the DS6800 is fine. Instead of purging and reconfigure, you should be able to retain the current volumes. If you have access to the existing user definitions, then you should be able to retain existing user volumes. Okay – I think first I have to figure out why the system won’t IPL from tape or disk. I guess they could try IPLing from a DVD if they have this starter system. I don’t know if they do or not. I’ll ask. Download a copy of ZZSA and burn it to a CD. Have Operations IPL that CD and use it to explore the volumes, specifically the Resvol and IPL required volumes (IODF Volume etc). From there you should have an idea as to what is actually broken. I’ll pass this on to the customer IBM SUPPORT does not help in situations where it's a configuration issue. If the error is the IOCDS was not updated, then they are not responsible. On the other hand, if the problem is hardware, then hardware support is responsible and if there is a software bug then software support is responsible. Everyone is responsible to point the figure at someone else so they don't have to deal with it. If you point the finger at support hard enough, they may resolve the issue for you. If you actually mean IBM PROFESSIONAL SERVICES is maintaining this system, then yes, they are responsible. It seems strange that they have been down for 3 weeks and not screaming. Maybe you should have them consider allowing you access to the hardware console (temporarily). The system crashed as a result of a power outage. All was well before that. We had an error code of ACTZ0182. That’s all I told IBM when I made the service call. What I wanted was for someone from IBM to determine if it was a hardware or software bug and go from there. At this point, no one knows if it’s an IOCDS problem or any other for that matter. Unfortunately I did not set this machine up and know very little about it. I know the zVM and Computer Associates parts obviously but with matters of the HMC, IOCDS, etc., I know very little as IBM came in and set all of that up. One guy, ONE guy came in and set up the HMC, DS6800, installed zVM and because the compiler tapes weren’t delivered yet, another person from the same department came out and installed Fortran, PASCAL, etc. Now, these are the people, or someone like them that ought to be able to determine what’s going on with the system. I’m 1300 miles away and can’t be away from SoCal (I work and live here after all) on an open ended trip until this gets sorted out though I know this would be a great learning experience if I could be there for the duration. No one at the site is an IBMer – they’re all Windows or Linux people who take care of things like backups and account maintenance although I can do a lot of that via a link assuming the system is up. This would probably be a great time to have a remote HMC! Maybe as a result of this problem, the customer will buy one. Regarding the system being down for three weeks, there is one fall back and that’s for the users to come to SoCal and use our legacy machine. At some point after the z10 gets back on its feet, any updates will be sent back to OKC and the z10 will be “caught up.” There was an evaluation version of z/VM that was bootable from a DVD in the HMC. I would give that a shot. I’ll contact the customer and see if they can find this. Thanks for all of the great posts! Karl -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message:
FW: z10 IPL from Utility Tape
Our auditors will not allow remote access to the HMC's But in his case if they expected him to support it remotely probably a different story -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 2:30 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z10 IPL from Utility Tape Right. At our shop, we have a Microsoft Terminal Services Gateway server. At home, on one of my laptops, I can connect over the Internet to this TSG Gateway. This then relays me to my local desktop (I know the OP doesn't have a local desktop, he could go to some other desktop). I am now interacting with that desktop, as if I were local. I bring up I.E. and connect (locally) to the HMC, which is on the LAN. At that point, I can IPL and do other things on the HMC (such as use the SYSC and SYSG z/VM consoles. Well, if we had z/VM). Given what the OP has said, I would _not_ be surprised if the IBM people who installed the z did not bother to connect the HMC to the LAN. I know that _we_ had a big fight putting the z9BC's HMC on the LAN. I'll not say more. I'm still very bitter towards those ex-employees. On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Matthew Stitt mathwst...@bellsouth.netwrote: You do not need a remote HMC. You just need to have the local HMC available through the Internet with remote access allowed. I do this all the time. Could save you some time if that could happen. On Thu, 8 May 2014 12:39:37 -0500, Karl Severson karl_j_sever...@raytheon.com wrote: If the original volume was not IPL'able, then maybe the IPL data got damaged. You could try updating the IPL data on the RES volume from the starter system. If in the worst case, you should still be able to re-use existing volumes. Hardware support told you the DS6800 is fine. Instead of purging and reconfigure, you should be able to retain the current volumes. If you have access to the existing user definitions, then you should be able to retain existing user volumes. Okay – I think first I have to figure out why the system won’t IPL from tape or disk. I guess they could try IPLing from a DVD if they have this starter system. I don’t know if they do or not. I’ll ask. Download a copy of ZZSA and burn it to a CD. Have Operations IPL that CD and use it to explore the volumes, specifically the Resvol and IPL required volumes (IODF Volume etc). From there you should have an idea as to what is actually broken. I’ll pass this on to the customer IBM SUPPORT does not help in situations where it's a configuration issue. If the error is the IOCDS was not updated, then they are not responsible. On the other hand, if the problem is hardware, then hardware support is responsible and if there is a software bug then software support is responsible. Everyone is responsible to point the figure at someone else so they don't have to deal with it. If you point the finger at support hard enough, they may resolve the issue for you. If you actually mean IBM PROFESSIONAL SERVICES is maintaining this system, then yes, they are responsible. It seems strange that they have been down for 3 weeks and not screaming. Maybe you should have them consider allowing you access to the hardware console (temporarily). The system crashed as a result of a power outage. All was well before that. We had an error code of ACTZ0182. That’s all I told IBM when I made the service call. What I wanted was for someone from IBM to determine if it was a hardware or software bug and go from there. At this point, no one knows if it’s an IOCDS problem or any other for that matter. Unfortunately I did not set this machine up and know very little about it. I know the zVM and Computer Associates parts obviously but with matters of the HMC, IOCDS, etc., I know very little as IBM came in and set all of that up. One guy, ONE guy came in and set up the HMC, DS6800, installed zVM and because the compiler tapes weren’t delivered yet, another person from the same department came out and installed Fortran, PASCAL, etc. Now, these are the people, or someone like them that ought to be able to determine what’s going on with the system. I’m 1300 miles away and can’t be away from SoCal (I work and live here after all) on an open ended trip until this gets sorted out though I know this would be a great learning experience if I could be there for the duration. No one at the site is an IBMer – they’re all Windows or Linux people who take care of things like backups and account maintenance although I can do a lot of that via a link assuming the system is up. This would probably be a great time to have a remote HMC! Maybe as a result of this problem, the customer will buy one. Regarding the system being down for three weeks, there is one fall back and that’s for the users to come to SoCal and use our legacy machine. At some
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We recently upgraded z/VM to 6.2. I downloaded the product from ShopzSeries. Burning a DVD turned into drawn-out PMR. See SHARE Anaheim proceedings for session 14648: Bit Bucket x'2E' beginning at slide 75. Upshot was that you have to use software that understands and creates ISO images. The DVD burner on my company-issued PC just created 1200+ files exactly as they existed on my C drive. HMC Load function could not recognize the DVD contents. Also note that you can only load a DVD from an actual HMC, remote or local.. I do most of my HMC work on a PC via web browser. Load does not work there. However, what you'll get is a running z/VM image in RAM. What will you do with that? If DASD volumes are fully accessible but 'merely corrupted'--highly unlikely--you could use this image to create a whole new z/VM environment on DASD. If the problem is in the hardware configuration itself, you're no closer to a real solution. OTOH we do all z/VM hardware configuration from an adjacent z/OS, so there may be native z/VM facilities that I'm not aware of. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com From: Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU, Date: 05/08/2014 12:14 PM Subject:Re: FW: z10 IPL from Utility Tape Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU It reads from the DVD into RAM. No disk devices needed. On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:00 PM, August Carideo/RYE/US august.cari...@avon.com wrote: And where is this DVD going to load to if cpu / lpar whatever is not seeing any devices ? To single line edit mode on HMC Can't even get to ICC if OSA /OSC is not reconized -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Schwab Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 2:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z10 IPL from Utility Tape http://www.vm.ibm.com/eval/ is the page to download the evaluation z/VM ?5.3?). Or ordering 5.2, 5.3, 6.1. Get the file downloaded and burned on a DVD-R by the local staff and inserted into the DVD drive. http://www.cbttape.org/~jjaeger/zzsa.html Is the stand alone ZZSA files. CD-R. On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Karl Severson karl_j_sever...@raytheon.com wrote: If the original volume was not IPL'able, then maybe the IPL data got damaged. You could try updating the IPL data on the RES volume from the starter system. If in the worst case, you should still be able to re-use existing volumes. Hardware support told you the DS6800 is fine. Instead of purging and reconfigure, you should be able to retain the current volumes. If you have access to the existing user definitions, then you should be able to retain existing user volumes. Okay – I think first I have to figure out why the system won’t IPL from tape or disk. I guess they could try IPLing from a DVD if they have this starter system. I don’t know if they do or not. I’ll ask. Download a copy of ZZSA and burn it to a CD. Have Operations IPL that CD and use it to explore the volumes, specifically the Resvol and IPL required volumes (IODF Volume etc). From there you should have an idea as to what is actually broken. I’ll pass this on to the customer IBM SUPPORT does not help in situations where it's a configuration issue. If the error is the IOCDS was not updated, then they are not responsible. On the other hand, if the problem is hardware, then hardware support is responsible and if there is a software bug then software support is responsible. Everyone is responsible to point the figure at someone else so they don't have to deal with it. If you point the finger at support hard enough, they may resolve the issue for you. If you actually mean IBM PROFESSIONAL SERVICES is maintaining this system, then yes, they are responsible. It seems strange that they have been down for 3 weeks and not screaming. Maybe you should have them consider allowing you access to the hardware console (temporarily). The system crashed as a result of a power outage. All was well before that. We had an error code of ACTZ0182. That’s all I told IBM when I made the service call. What I wanted was for someone from IBM to determine if it was a hardware or software bug and go from there. At this point, no one knows if it’s an IOCDS problem or any other for that matter. Unfortunately I did not set this machine up and know very little about it. I know the zVM and Computer Associates parts obviously but with matters of the HMC, IOCDS, etc., I know very little as IBM came in and set all of that up. One guy, ONE guy came in and set up the HMC, DS6800, installed zVM and because the compiler tapes weren’t delivered yet, another person from the same department came out and installed Fortran, PASCAL, etc. Now, these are the people
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W dniu 2014-05-08 21:23, August Carideo/RYE/US pisze: Our auditors will not allow remote access to the HMC's rethorical And the justification to the restriction is? /rethorical Every access means some flexibility, some productivity, some gain and - form the other hand - some risk. The safest system is system completeley unavailable, unconnected from the networks, shut down. With no data to be stolen. Every business activity provides some risk. The point is to give as much productivity as possible without significant risks. BTW: HMC access does not make any risk to the data, no business data is available thorugh the HMC (maybe except D A,L). This interface could only be considered in terms of DOS attacks, like system shutdown. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Treść tej wiadomości może zawierać informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wyłącznie do użytku służbowego adresata. Odbiorcą może być jedynie jej adresat z wyłączeniem dostępu osób trzecich. Jeżeli nie jesteś adresatem niniejszej wiadomości lub pracownikiem upoważnionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, że jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne działanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i może być karalne. Jeżeli otrzymałeś tę wiadomość omyłkowo, prosimy niezwłocznie zawiadomić nadawcę wysyłając odpowiedź oraz trwale usunąć tę wiadomość włączając w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorized to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa, www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, nr rejestru przedsiębiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Według stanu na dzień 01.01.2014 r. kapitał zakładowy mBanku S.A. (w całości wpłacony) wynosi 168.696.052 złote. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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W dniu 2014-05-08 21:00, August Carideo/RYE/US pisze: And where is this DVD going to load to if cpu / lpar whatever is not seeing any devices ? To single line edit mode on HMC Can't even get to ICC if OSA /OSC is not reconized Well, hard scenario. Actually you can IPL from DVD, (*no! it's ftp from YOUR workstation!* DVD stinks!), but what is the reason of starting anything from DVD, when no device is available? You won't fix anything. What you need as a prerequisite is at least simple working IOCDS. BTW: I admit I did not follow the discussion, but it seems high unlikely to lost IOCDS and working z/OS image. You can screw up the z/OS, you can destroy your IOCDS, but you cannot destroy both in one erroneous action! -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Treść tej wiadomości może zawierać informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wyłącznie do użytku służbowego adresata. Odbiorcą może być jedynie jej adresat z wyłączeniem dostępu osób trzecich. Jeżeli nie jesteś adresatem niniejszej wiadomości lub pracownikiem upoważnionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, że jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne działanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i może być karalne. Jeżeli otrzymałeś tę wiadomość omyłkowo, prosimy niezwłocznie zawiadomić nadawcę wysyłając odpowiedź oraz trwale usunąć tę wiadomość włączając w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorized to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa, www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, nr rejestru przedsiębiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Według stanu na dzień 01.01.2014 r. kapitał zakładowy mBanku S.A. (w całości wpłacony) wynosi 168.696.052 złote. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Agreed If the problem Is the I/O config It doesn't matter what op sys will eventually run on the box You can code up a I/O gen on notepad put it on a USB stick Upload it from the HMC use the SA version of the gen read in the source code and load out the IOCDS And do a POR Just to get you started, you just need a minimum number of devices The part that’s confusing me , I guess I missed something, but where does a working z/os image come in play here ? Please let me know where I missed that I thought he was just talking about a z/10 in a remote location running VM I did not follow all of it either -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 4:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: FW: z10 IPL from Utility Tape W dniu 2014-05-08 21:00, August Carideo/RYE/US pisze: And where is this DVD going to load to if cpu / lpar whatever is not seeing any devices ? To single line edit mode on HMC Can't even get to ICC if OSA /OSC is not reconized Well, hard scenario. Actually you can IPL from DVD, (*no! it's ftp from YOUR workstation!* DVD stinks!), but what is the reason of starting anything from DVD, when no device is available? You won't fix anything. What you need as a prerequisite is at least simple working IOCDS. BTW: I admit I did not follow the discussion, but it seems high unlikely to lost IOCDS and working z/OS image. You can screw up the z/OS, you can destroy your IOCDS, but you cannot destroy both in one erroneous action! -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Treść tej wiadomości może zawierać informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wyłącznie do użytku służbowego adresata. Odbiorcą może być jedynie jej adresat z wyłączeniem dostępu osób trzecich. Jeżeli nie jesteś adresatem niniejszej wiadomości lub pracownikiem upoważnionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, że jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne działanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i może być karalne. Jeżeli otrzymałeś tę wiadomość omyłkowo, prosimy niezwłocznie zawiadomić nadawcę wysyłając odpowiedź oraz trwale usunąć tę wiadomość włączając w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorized to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa, www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, nr rejestru przedsiębiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Według stanu na dzień 01.01.2014 r. kapitał zakładowy mBanku S.A. (w całości wpłacony) wynosi 168.696.052 złote. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: FW: z10 IPL from Utility Tape
The evaluation version was an ISO image designed to be burned to a DVD, inserted into the HMC, and booted from. Hopefully you would then use the z/VM diagnostic tools to figure out what is wrong with the storage system. I.E. detect what volumes are present, etc. If you can't figure out what is wrong, and you have been running at another site for 3 weeks, then I would delete all the volumes, take it back to initial configuration, power down for a little while, reconfigure the device from scratch, and reload the data from your DR site backups, exercise it for a while, then get the system up to date and have it take over from production. On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Skip Robinson jo.skip.robin...@sce.com wrote: We recently upgraded z/VM to 6.2. I downloaded the product from ShopzSeries. Burning a DVD turned into drawn-out PMR. See SHARE Anaheim proceedings for session 14648: Bit Bucket x'2E' beginning at slide 75. Upshot was that you have to use software that understands and creates ISO images. The DVD burner on my company-issued PC just created 1200+ files exactly as they existed on my C drive. HMC Load function could not recognize the DVD contents. Also note that you can only load a DVD from an actual HMC, remote or local.. I do most of my HMC work on a PC via web browser. Load does not work there. However, what you'll get is a running z/VM image in RAM. What will you do with that? If DASD volumes are fully accessible but 'merely corrupted'--highly unlikely--you could use this image to create a whole new z/VM environment on DASD. If the problem is in the hardware configuration itself, you're no closer to a real solution. OTOH we do all z/VM hardware configuration from an adjacent z/OS, so there may be native z/VM facilities that I'm not aware of. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com From: Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU, Date: 05/08/2014 12:14 PM Subject:Re: FW: z10 IPL from Utility Tape Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU It reads from the DVD into RAM. No disk devices needed. On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:00 PM, August Carideo/RYE/US august.cari...@avon.com wrote: And where is this DVD going to load to if cpu / lpar whatever is not seeing any devices ? To single line edit mode on HMC Can't even get to ICC if OSA /OSC is not reconized -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Schwab Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 2:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z10 IPL from Utility Tape http://www.vm.ibm.com/eval/ is the page to download the evaluation z/VM ?5.3?). Or ordering 5.2, 5.3, 6.1. Get the file downloaded and burned on a DVD-R by the local staff and inserted into the DVD drive. http://www.cbttape.org/~jjaeger/zzsa.html Is the stand alone ZZSA files. CD-R. On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Karl Severson karl_j_sever...@raytheon.com wrote: If the original volume was not IPL'able, then maybe the IPL data got damaged. You could try updating the IPL data on the RES volume from the starter system. If in the worst case, you should still be able to re-use existing volumes. Hardware support told you the DS6800 is fine. Instead of purging and reconfigure, you should be able to retain the current volumes. If you have access to the existing user definitions, then you should be able to retain existing user volumes. Okay – I think first I have to figure out why the system won’t IPL from tape or disk. I guess they could try IPLing from a DVD if they have this starter system. I don’t know if they do or not. I’ll ask. Download a copy of ZZSA and burn it to a CD. Have Operations IPL that CD and use it to explore the volumes, specifically the Resvol and IPL required volumes (IODF Volume etc). From there you should have an idea as to what is actually broken. I’ll pass this on to the customer IBM SUPPORT does not help in situations where it's a configuration issue. If the error is the IOCDS was not updated, then they are not responsible. On the other hand, if the problem is hardware, then hardware support is responsible and if there is a software bug then software support is responsible. Everyone is responsible to point the figure at someone else so they don't have to deal with it. If you point the finger at support hard enough, they may resolve the issue for you. If you actually mean IBM PROFESSIONAL SERVICES is maintaining this system, then yes, they are responsible. It seems strange that they have been down for 3 weeks and not screaming. Maybe you should have them consider allowing you access to the hardware console (temporarily). The system crashed as a result of a power outage. All was well before that. We had
Re: FW: FW: z10 IPL from Utility Tape
The OP was the z/OS Lpar wouldn't activate after power outage with apparent configuration issues. All the backups are DDF images. The support structure recommends reloading the DS6800. They've been down for weeks at this site and is 1300 miles from mother ship. In a message dated 5/8/2014 4:22:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time, august.cari...@avon.com writes: The part that’s confusing me , I guess I missed something, but where does a working z/os image come in play here ? Please let me know where I missed that I thought he was just talking about a z/10 in a remote location running VM I did not follow all of it either -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
