Re: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement

[Keith Banham]

Forgot to mention that by using RACF PassTickets then you remove the potential 
that user-ids and passwords are visible in plain text over the network or in 
memory or on a DASD etc, depending on your non-PassTicket approach. Again RACF 
PassTickets are a big plus for security and the auditors.

Keith Banham
R Manager
Macro 4 Ltd

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Re: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement

[Keith Banham]

Like TPX the Tubes product will cater for single password and passing on 
passwords to the applications, as described in the previous entries, but it 
also has RACF PassTicket support - once the user is Authenticated at sign-on to 
Tubes then it utilises RACF capabilities to authorise the sign-on to all their 
applications. Whatever the approach please don't expect the poor end-user to 
remember multiple passwords - they will only write them all down on a 
whiteboard! This is one of the key benefits of using a session manager - 
centralized security, administration and control. With also using RACF to 
determine what applications a user can see and use the security team maintain 
complete control - auditors heaven. Don't be fooled by those who say they can 
just open up more emulation windows - a slippery slope to lose of security and 
control.

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Re: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement

[Jesse 1 Robinson]

I overlooked the virtues of single sign-on in TPX. Your shop has to code for 
it, but it allows a user to sign on to applications with various userids such 
as TSO and CICS. Caveat: the userid on every application must have the same 
password; TPX uses different userids according to application but passes along 
the original TPX password. A corollary of this design is that you can change 
your password on all applications by changing first the main TPX userid, then 
logging on to every application one by one. You do not have to enter the new 
password.

All this being said, I believe that this capability is an extra-charge feature 
over the base product.

.
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-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Longnecker, Dennis
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 6:58 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: (External):Re: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement

I would agree with the below.

The remote screen via capability is excellent for help desk.  No other software 
required, they just enter the persons RACF ID and they instantly see what is on 
the persons screen and as it changes.  Again, we don't have to have any 
software on the persons screen or have them do a single thing.

Also, TPX at least, produces wonderful SMF records.   So no matter what VTAM 
application they visit, I can produce reports on the total number of 
transactions they did, along with signon times for both the session manager and 
any VTAM applications.

Oh, and if you implement it, you can have single signon to your VTAM 
applications.

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Of Jesse 1 Robinson
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 8:33 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement

We depend heavily on TPX here. A session manager provides two key benefits:

1) A session manager 'holds' a session from which the user gets disconnected. 
Nowadays TSO/E is pretty good at reconnection, but other VTAM applications do 
not have this capability. There is no substitute for this function for 
productivity. 

2) A session manager can support far more connections than any emulator I've 
ever seen. As a z/OS sysprog, I can limp along fairly well with just an 
emulator, but we have altogether several scores of CICS regions across the 
enterprise. TPX can orchestrate as many concurrent sessions as a user needs. 

A third benefit that I rarely make use of is the ability to 'move' a 
workstation from one location to another. I can walk to another desk even in 
another building and 'take over' my original TPX session. This can be 
especially useful for help desk/debugging activities. Fourth, Tom Brennan makes 
a usermod available to Vista that, together with an available usermod to TPX, 
causes the current session name to appear continuously at the bottom of the 
screen. The more sessions you have open--especially if they look very 
similar--the more important this feature becomes.

.
.
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Dana Mitchell
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 6:17 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: (External):Re: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement

I think Tubes was acquired by IBM and became IBM Session Manager in the early 
2000's.  We converted several systems TPX, Cl/SuperSession etc to it at the 
time as part of the push to convert from ISV products to IBM products.

I haven't needed/worked with a session manager for many years with the easy 
availablity of just opening multiple Vista windows.  What sort of functions 
provided by a session manager do you require?

Dana

On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 08:28:13 -0500, Carmen Vitullo <cvitu...@hughes.net> wrote:

>I've used TPX, Teleview, not sure of Teleview is now TPX, both from CA, 
>Tubes from MACRO4 just to name just a few Carmen
>

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Re: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement

[Longnecker, Dennis]

I would agree with the below.

The remote screen via capability is excellent for help desk.  No other software 
required, they just enter the persons RACF ID and they instantly see what is on 
the persons screen and as it changes.  Again, we don't have to have any 
software on the persons screen or have them do a single thing.

Also, TPX at least, produces wonderful SMF records.   So no matter what VTAM 
application they visit, I can produce reports on the total number of 
transactions they did, along with signon times for both the session manager and 
any VTAM applications.

Oh, and if you implement it, you can have single signon to your VTAM 
applications.

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Of Jesse 1 Robinson
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 8:33 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement

We depend heavily on TPX here. A session manager provides two key benefits:

1) A session manager 'holds' a session from which the user gets disconnected. 
Nowadays TSO/E is pretty good at reconnection, but other VTAM applications do 
not have this capability. There is no substitute for this function for 
productivity. 

2) A session manager can support far more connections than any emulator I've 
ever seen. As a z/OS sysprog, I can limp along fairly well with just an 
emulator, but we have altogether several scores of CICS regions across the 
enterprise. TPX can orchestrate as many concurrent sessions as a user needs. 

A third benefit that I rarely make use of is the ability to 'move' a 
workstation from one location to another. I can walk to another desk even in 
another building and 'take over' my original TPX session. This can be 
especially useful for help desk/debugging activities. Fourth, Tom Brennan makes 
a usermod available to Vista that, together with an available usermod to TPX, 
causes the current session name to appear continuously at the bottom of the 
screen. The more sessions you have open--especially if they look very 
similar--the more important this feature becomes.

.
.
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Southern California Edison Company
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323-715-0595 Mobile
626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW
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-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Dana Mitchell
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 6:17 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: (External):Re: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement

I think Tubes was acquired by IBM and became IBM Session Manager in the early 
2000's.  We converted several systems TPX, Cl/SuperSession etc to it at the 
time as part of the push to convert from ISV products to IBM products.

I haven't needed/worked with a session manager for many years with the easy 
availablity of just opening multiple Vista windows.  What sort of functions 
provided by a session manager do you require?

Dana

On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 08:28:13 -0500, Carmen Vitullo <cvitu...@hughes.net> wrote:

>I've used TPX, Teleview, not sure of Teleview is now TPX, both from CA, 
>Tubes from MACRO4 just to name just a few Carmen
>


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Re: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement

[Timothy Sipples]

"Don't panic." IBM Tivoli NetView Access Services ("NVAS"), IBM Program
Number 5698-NAS, will be withdrawn from marketing on October 2, 2017. There
is no End of Service date listed, so full support for NVAS continues.

IBM CL/SUPERSESSION Version 2.1, which became generally available in
December, 2015, is the replacement product. That's IBM Program Number
5601-B28. If you're interested in CL/SUPERSESSION, "talk to your friendly
IBM representative." However, again, no need to panic.

IBM Session Manager for z/OS (5655-U98) was withdrawn from marketing on
January 2, 2017. The End of Service date is December 31, 2018.


Timothy Sipples
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E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com

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Re: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement

[Jesse 1 Robinson]

We depend heavily on TPX here. A session manager provides two key benefits:

1) A session manager 'holds' a session from which the user gets disconnected. 
Nowadays TSO/E is pretty good at reconnection, but other VTAM applications do 
not have this capability. There is no substitute for this function for 
productivity. 

2) A session manager can support far more connections than any emulator I've 
ever seen. As a z/OS sysprog, I can limp along fairly well with just an 
emulator, but we have altogether several scores of CICS regions across the 
enterprise. TPX can orchestrate as many concurrent sessions as a user needs. 

A third benefit that I rarely make use of is the ability to 'move' a 
workstation from one location to another. I can walk to another desk even in 
another building and 'take over' my original TPX session. This can be 
especially useful for help desk/debugging activities. Fourth, Tom Brennan makes 
a usermod available to Vista that, together with an available usermod to TPX, 
causes the current session name to appear continuously at the bottom of the 
screen. The more sessions you have open--especially if they look very 
similar--the more important this feature becomes.

.
.
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Southern California Edison Company
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SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
323-715-0595 Mobile
626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW
robin...@sce.com

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Dana Mitchell
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 6:17 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: (External):Re: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement

I think Tubes was acquired by IBM and became IBM Session Manager in the early 
2000's.  We converted several systems TPX, Cl/SuperSession etc to it at the 
time as part of the push to convert from ISV products to IBM products.

I haven't needed/worked with a session manager for many years with the easy 
availablity of just opening multiple Vista windows.  What sort of functions 
provided by a session manager do you require?

Dana

On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 08:28:13 -0500, Carmen Vitullo <cvitu...@hughes.net> wrote:

>I've used TPX, Teleview, not sure of Teleview is now TPX, both from CA, 
>Tubes from MACRO4 just to name just a few Carmen
>


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Re: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement

[Keith Banham]

IBM's preferred session manager was IBM Session Manager (ISM), for which they 
have announced support will cease in 2018. Macro 4's Tubes for z/OS product is 
fully compatible with ISM and I understand many clients have migrated in a few 
hours without configuration changes. Tubes from Macro 4 is still being actively 
enhanced and the latest features include Eclipse interfaces, instant web 
enablement via desktops and tablet devices, and application performance 
monitoring. Lots of interesting features, please take a closer look at 
https://www.macro4.com/index.php?cID=5348. 

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Re: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement

[Edward Gould]

> On Feb 7, 2017, at 8:16 AM, Dana Mitchell  wrote:
> 
> I think Tubes was acquired by IBM and became IBM Session Manager in the early 
> 2000's.  We converted several systems TPX, Cl/SuperSession etc to it at the 
> time as part of the push to convert from ISV products to IBM products.
> 
> I haven't needed/worked with a session manager for many years with the easy 
> availablity of just opening multiple Vista windows.  What sort of functions 
> provided by a session manager do you require?

IBM already had a session manager for TSO back in the early 80’s and in fact 
its still available (last I looked). Session manager was great once you 
mastered it.

Ed
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Re: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement

[Elardus Engelbrecht]

Stone, Marshall wrote:

>Does anyone have the link/URL for the NVAS announcement? 

See below URL for 5695-036.

(Watch the wap!!!)

http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=dd=sm=ShopzSeries=897/ENUS5695-036

According to this URL below 5695-036 is supposed (?) to be replaced by 5698-NAS:

http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/7/877/ENUSZP04-0447/index.html

And IBM's Software Withdrawel and SOD:

(another wrap!)

http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=an=ca=plc_db2imstool=897/ENUS916-145

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement

[Carmen Vitullo]

Hum, last place I worked, 2014 Tubes was still MACRO4 
now I see on an IBM website 





Solution name : 

Macro 4 Tubes 


Solution description : 

Tubes provide a secure, user-friendly means of accessing multiple systems from 
a single terminal on z/OS™. 





Solution web page : 

http://www.macro4.com/solutions/products/dumpmaster/index.html nt 



I think Tubes was acquired by IBM and became IBM Session Manager in the early 
2000's. We converted several systems TPX, Cl/SuperSession etc to it at the time 
as part of the push to convert from ISV products to IBM products. 

I haven't needed/worked with a session manager for many years with the easy 
availablity of just opening multiple Vista windows. What sort of functions 
provided by a session manager do you require? 

Dana 

On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 08:28:13 -0500, Carmen Vitullo  wrote: 

>I've used TPX, Teleview, not sure of Teleview is now TPX, both from CA, Tubes 
>from MACRO4 just to name just a few 
>Carmen 
> 

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Re: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement

[Dana Mitchell]

I think Tubes was acquired by IBM and became IBM Session Manager in the early 
2000's.  We converted several systems TPX, Cl/SuperSession etc to it at the 
time as part of the push to convert from ISV products to IBM products.

I haven't needed/worked with a session manager for many years with the easy 
availablity of just opening multiple Vista windows.  What sort of functions 
provided by a session manager do you require?

Dana

On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 08:28:13 -0500, Carmen Vitullo  wrote:

>I've used TPX, Teleview, not sure of Teleview is now TPX, both from CA, Tubes 
>from MACRO4 just to name just a few
>Carmen
>

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Re: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement

[Stone, Marshall]

Please note that the withdrawal is only V1.x.x - Most shops are currently on 
V2.1.1 of NVAS

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Subject: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement

Hello list,

IBM announced Tivoli Netview Access Services for MVS being withdrawn come 
09/10/2018.

Anyone knows of a similar replacement on the market with same features?

I know IBM also has the old Candle CL/SuperSession. I'm wondering if others are 
using non-IBM products for session management on zOS.

Thanks

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Re: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement

[Stone, Marshall]

We use NVAS and CA/Solve (2 different workloads)

Does anyone have the link/URL for the NVAS announcement?

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I've used TPX, Teleview, not sure of Teleview is now TPX, both from CA, Tubes 
from MACRO4 just to name just a few Carmen

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From: "Salah Balboul" <balbo...@att.net>
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 7:06:43 AM
Subject: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement

Hello list,

IBM announced Tivoli Netview Access Services for MVS being withdrawn come 
09/10/2018.

Anyone knows of a similar replacement on the market with same features?

I know IBM also has the old Candle CL/SuperSession. I'm wondering if others are 
using non-IBM products for session management on zOS.

Thanks

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Re: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement

[Cieri, Anthony]

I have used TPX for years, since it was first marketed by Duquesne!!  (It 
has since been acquired by Legent and then by CA.)

I believe that MacKinney still markets a product called VTAM/Switch.



From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Salah Balboul [balbo...@att.net]
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 8:06 AM
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Subject: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement

Hello list,

IBM announced Tivoli Netview Access Services for MVS being withdrawn come 
09/10/2018.

Anyone knows of a similar replacement on the market with same features?

I know IBM also has the old Candle CL/SuperSession. I'm wondering if others are 
using non-IBM products for session management on zOS.

Thanks

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[Carmen Vitullo]

I've used TPX, Teleview, not sure of Teleview is now TPX, both from CA, Tubes 
from MACRO4 just to name just a few 
Carmen 

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From: "Salah Balboul" <balbo...@att.net> 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 7:06:43 AM 
Subject: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement 

Hello list, 

IBM announced Tivoli Netview Access Services for MVS being withdrawn come 
09/10/2018. 

Anyone knows of a similar replacement on the market with same features? 

I know IBM also has the old Candle CL/SuperSession. I'm wondering if others are 
using non-IBM products for session management on zOS. 

Thanks 

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IBM Netview Session Manager replacement

[Salah Balboul]

Hello list,

IBM announced Tivoli Netview Access Services for MVS being withdrawn come 
09/10/2018.

Anyone knows of a similar replacement on the market with same features?

I know IBM also has the old Candle CL/SuperSession. I'm wondering if others are 
using non-IBM products for session management on zOS.

Thanks

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