Re: MVS in the CLOUD
>Hi there, > >I have seen one can create a DB2 env in the cloud, but can one get a basic >MVS system up there, or is that a bit much to ask? > >Tia > >James Yes you can however it depends upon what you want to do with it. Production is basically a 'no no' but development and testing are fine and you have many choices although why you want cloud based is beyond me: - ZD (or zPDT) can easily be run in the various cloud providers, I've done it personally with AWS and MS Azure but they run much better natively on x86 - There was the WAZI aaS announcement this week but this has actually been around for a while as WAZI Sandbox albeit on x86 which is basically ZD under the covers. The new WAZI aaS is running directly on z and doesn't (apparently) use emulation Seb -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: MVS in the CLOUD
Le 19/02/2022 à 08:45, Tom Brennan a écrit : It'll be interesting to learn the details. For example, I can easily imagine how Hercules (and I assume zPDT) works on x86, running code to simulate each mainframe instruction, register, interrupt, etc. But run that same code under z/Linux and you're still interpreting instructions and hardware that's right there already. the Hercules docs say that you need about 100 x86_64 instructions to emulate each Z-arch instruction, which makes sense, considering the complexity of the instruction set. on the actual hardware, things are similar, using micro-instructions in the same manner, emulating the ISA with the hardware resources available to the actual state machine. (this would make for the performance difference between the various system 360 incarnations for example) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: MVS in the CLOUD
I got the impression Timothy was giving us a clue that it runs on a mainframe when he wrote: "...the performance characteristics (to run compile jobs, for example) are much more consistent with real IBM Z servers than with the IBM Z Development & Test Environment (ZD) or ZPDT on X86-64 servers. I'll give you one guess why that might be. :-)" It'll be interesting to learn the details. For example, I can easily imagine how Hercules (and I assume zPDT) works on x86, running code to simulate each mainframe instruction, register, interrupt, etc. But run that same code under z/Linux and you're still interpreting instructions and hardware that's right there already. On 2/18/2022 9:15 PM, David Crayford wrote: Wazi looks awesome! It's not quite clear to me if the Wazi containers are running emulated on x86 or if the containers are running on z/OS using something similar to z/CX. Maybe Tim can answer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: MVS in the CLOUD
Wazi looks awesome! It's not quite clear to me if the Wazi containers are running emulated on x86 or if the containers are running on z/OS using something similar to z/CX. Maybe Tim can answer. On 19/2/22 2:23 am, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: Isn't the recent WAZI offering from IBM exactly that? See Tim Sipple's post on this forum from yesterday or the day before about the new WAZI offering. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of z/OS scheduler Sent: Friday, February 18, 2022 12:33 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: MVS in the CLOUD Hi there, I have seen one can create a DB2 env in the cloud, but can one get a basic MVS system up there, or is that a bit much to ask? Tia James -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: MVS in the CLOUD
Yes it is. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 Sent: Friday, February 18, 2022 10:23 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: MVS in the CLOUD Isn't the recent WAZI offering from IBM exactly that? See Tim Sipple's post on this forum from yesterday or the day before about the new WAZI offering. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of z/OS scheduler Sent: Friday, February 18, 2022 12:33 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: MVS in the CLOUD Hi there, I have seen one can create a DB2 env in the cloud, but can one get a basic MVS system up there, or is that a bit much to ask? Tia James -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: MVS in the CLOUD
Isn't the recent WAZI offering from IBM exactly that? See Tim Sipple's post on this forum from yesterday or the day before about the new WAZI offering. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of z/OS scheduler Sent: Friday, February 18, 2022 12:33 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: MVS in the CLOUD Hi there, I have seen one can create a DB2 env in the cloud, but can one get a basic MVS system up there, or is that a bit much to ask? Tia James -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: MVS in the CLOUD
There are companies that offer a cloud solution for z/OS, IBM is one, Goggle, and AWS. Carmen On 2/18/2022 11:32 AM, z/OS scheduler wrote: Hi there, I have seen one can create a DB2 env in the cloud, but can one get a basic MVS system up there, or is that a bit much to ask? Tia James -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- /I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody that stands right, and stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong. *Abraham Lincoln*/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
MVS in the CLOUD
Hi there, I have seen one can create a DB2 env in the cloud, but can one get a basic MVS system up there, or is that a bit much to ask? Tia James -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
