Re: (External):Re: RE-IPL for the Daylight to Standard time conversion?
On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 18:31:30 +, J O Skip Robinson wrote: > These so-called Victory Gardens were deemed more manageable by working stiffs > if there were still some daylight left at the end of the job day. Yep - this is why we've never done daylight saving. All that extra sunlight at the end of the day will eventually fade the curtains and/or carpets. Where's the benefit in that ?. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: (External):Re: RE-IPL for the Daylight to Standard time conversion?
Not mentioned in the article is a motivation I heard from childhood: tending one's garden. As part of the general war effort, the populace were encouraged to grow at least some of their own food in order to free up commercial agriculture for the troops. These so-called Victory Gardens were deemed more manageable by working stiffs if there were still some daylight left at the end of the job day. Having to prune tomato plants in the pitch of night was rightly considered a disincentive to self-sufficiency. All of this early campaigning occurred well before the exigencies of IT. Reset the household clocks before retiring Saturday night and all would be well the next morning. Who would even notice at 2 AM on a Sunday? Ah, the simpler days. Well, the early opponents trotted out the true objectors: cows and other farm animals who were governed by internal biological clock. Try to explain to them why their daily lives were periodically jerked around by an hour. Ah, the simpler days. . . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 11:10 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: RE-IPL for the Daylight to Standard time conversion? On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 20:43:14 -0400, Ted MacNEIL wrote: >I've been wondering how long it would take for time-change questions to start. >It's a little later this year. > Well, the U.S. keeps extending the DST season. Here's the CSM's take on it: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2015/1031/Daylight-saving-time-Why-isn-t-going-away -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: (External):Re: RE-IPL for the Daylight to Standard time conversion?
OP did not state whether GMT is set to UTC or local. I would have thought by now shops would have converted to UTC. I understand that the hit is much bigger for shops located in the Eastern Hemisphere because the change requires shutting down--once--for a prodigious period, but in the Western Hemisphere there should be little or no extended down time. If OP's shop is already running UTC, then he's dealing with fear and uncertainty in the application community. My standard (flippant) response is that the local apothecary has formulations to soothe the troubled psyche. . . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Robert A. Rosenberg Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 5:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: RE-IPL for the Daylight to Standard time conversion? At 23:33 + on 10/26/2015, Chris Hoelscher wrote about Re: RE-IPL for the Daylight to Standard time conversion?: >We also shutdown for 1 hour - even oif there were no system issues (and >I believe there are not) - our friends in development cannot tell us if >there are any apps they rely upon/depend upon/require a non-overlapping >timing sequence (would a duplicate time violate any physical >integrity(keys) or logical integrity (app expectations) - without such >explicit clearance, it is prudent to shutdown for 1 hour . That is the fallout of using Local not UT/GMT timestamps. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: (External):Re: RE-IPL for the Daylight to Standard time conversion?
It is not *my* shop or our shop. It is a site to which we outsource certain processing. I do not know if the issue is that the hardware clock is set to local time. CharlesSent from a mobile; please excuse the brevity Original message From: J O Skip Robinson <jo.skip.robin...@sce.com> Date: 10/26/2015 5:45 PM (GMT-08:00) To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: (External):Re: RE-IPL for the Daylight to Standard time conversion? OP did not state whether GMT is set to UTC or local. I would have thought by now shops would have converted to UTC. I understand that the hit is much bigger for shops located in the Eastern Hemisphere because the change requires shutting down--once--for a prodigious period, but in the Western Hemisphere there should be little or no extended down time. If OP's shop is already running UTC, then he's dealing with fear and uncertainty in the application community. My standard (flippant) response is that the local apothecary has formulations to soothe the troubled psyche. . . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Robert A. Rosenberg Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 5:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: RE-IPL for the Daylight to Standard time conversion? At 23:33 + on 10/26/2015, Chris Hoelscher wrote about Re: RE-IPL for the Daylight to Standard time conversion?: >We also shutdown for 1 hour - even oif there were no system issues (and >I believe there are not) - our friends in development cannot tell us if >there are any apps they rely upon/depend upon/require a non-overlapping >timing sequence (would a duplicate time violate any physical >integrity(keys) or logical integrity (app expectations) - without such >explicit clearance, it is prudent to shutdown for 1 hour . That is the fallout of using Local not UT/GMT timestamps. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
