Re: OT: RE: [EXT] Re: z/OSMF
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023, at 18:25, Seymour J Metz wrote: > Yes, but is every Scots dialect intelligible to every native Scots > speaker, I doubt it; the dialects spoken by people in Shetland and Orkney (the latter right now considering a return to Norwegian rule!) are substantially different from that spoken in lowland Scotland. See: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-66090102 Also, very many people who would consider themselves Scots, but not speakers of Scots, speak mainly English with greater or lesser amounts of Scots vocab intermixed. -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OT: RE: [EXT] Re: z/OSMF
Yes, but is every Scots dialect intelligible to every native Scots speaker, or are there mutually unintelligible regional dialects. Think Cockney versus Oxford or Boston, MA versus Augusta, GA. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Jeremy Nicoll [jn.ls.mfrm...@letterboxes.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2023 11:34 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: RE: [EXT] Re: z/OSMF On Wed, 5 Jul 2023, at 14:27, Seymour J Metz wrote: > Aggie derives from "agricultural school"; I assure you that the English > of, e.g.,Australia, New Zealand, UK, is just as opaque to us. > > Does Scotland have English terms that are understood in some regions > but not all? Well, we have terms in Scots (which isn't English) which are commonly used in sentences with English terms around them. Two short useful articles: https://secure-web.cisco.com/1r9qPuoqLqtf3IYZ0Zxlppc7IPF2YAqokhEHj3SNsux6RRnxwuL94yaqUqP54peAhFhhR5zCFrxD5RXFKezvCn7pbltnIdxBzW55cweuNZ8Tb22XqKe7LjKGAHoiRr1tyyzggmtmsSKLPrpOe0R9hO8J_EGta5XQ0KInY4Yc6K4BzBJm_gap0_897esGAEdBMwUIPzN65BDOUnjyQQ3ER5qmf6TCFzQg3AmHrHr8RH6TrZPww3tY6enTkvluBqkChFbSbgOzDnw9EPCrLvC3zBOpHUqPbBGbRM1dZmkwYJBYu57JakQSAbaAUB08xrBIU2k0HS2fmxlTH96kH84FhbRbtVfay0nn5r5hWhOH_5mvNzeOsIgPNU_vSuY8iu01vT6yzESkVZUqY9fxacI8oFwPmLL6W9I26q1Cwh_mCRlU/https%3A%2F%2Fdsl.ac.uk%2Fabout-scots%2Fwhat-is-scots%2F https://secure-web.cisco.com/1sVgy4nXnfJIjFkEVlQ9XUkXsin-uQ6siFqpw6KIiowebvlp342haxE3ya83g4YjbPMM9Q29vt6Ddrp1JVtW0ssagt_zZS8h_WUlw2CABSHYu0mGqHHYqBse_ZIHOmrCsAIGTFpm4UfSbTDnWQvnOUEKjCXzkrDIt2Kz6G50TovDDo25qGJD2Mf9XtJ60-Ktu9rYwd_eUOZtWpEhtYk7HWzgKxiL3n2LBgTx8U0Imlr_Fl9cLPs-ELbtQK4YL4Pdx7-1ua3zOjKQPy-FiMgWo3QTKLXBWjCQEJ7QZU1If_mfbPtErZU0T6j2bf76g4JVXVkh95L2T86kwkVNrdAH6BRcAt0UhOIk_ywfsyGqXoot2WE6fp7dwAT4fDJplMJ9W_4Y3eGRiaTAEZtht2hiROthjpi1Sbg2O2z4F4nqj484/https%3A%2F%2Fdsl.ac.uk%2Fabout-scots%2Fa-language-or-a-dialect%2F -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXT] Re: z/OSMF
For the classic game, CBT file 269 has a version of the source program that is 3191 lines long and includes the associated data files. There is a reference to there being the corresponding load module in CBT file 135 with the name "PROGRAM". Somewhere along the way, I seem to have downloaded a newer version of the source that is 4691 lines long. The comments state that it is version 4. However, I failed to download the associated data files and no longer have access to that system. Allan On Wed, Jul 5, 2023 at 11:07 AM Mike Schwab wrote: > https://www.cbttape.org/cbtdowns.htm > 5 results for Game, including 38 Klingon, 269 Adventure, and 2 groups? > > On Wed, Jul 5, 2023 at 9:21 AM David Spiegel > <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > Hi Robert, > > Is the source code available? > > If yes, how does one get it? > > > > Thanks and regards, > > David > > > > On 2023-07-05 09:17, Crawford Robert C (Contractor) wrote: > > > In the early 80's we had an adventure game written in PL/1. It was > largely table driven so I added a room full of Texas Aggies. To retrieve > the "treasure," an Aggie Joke book, you had to find a bar of soap and throw > it into the room at which point the Aggies would run out of the room > enabling you to get the book. > > > > > > For the record, I am a Texas Aggie and I understand that the joke will > be lost on 49/50ths of the US. > > > > > > Robert Crawford > > > Abstract Evolutions LLC > > > (210) 913-3822 > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Pew, Curtis G > > > Sent: Monday, July 3, 2023 1:43 PM > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > Subject: [EXT] Re: z/OSMF > > > > > > On Jul 3, 2023, at 1:26 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > > > > > I was thinking of the old text Adventure written in FORTRAN. > > > > > > > > > You’re talking about the same game. The full name was “Colossal Cave > Adventure”, but the program file name was usually as many characters of > “ADVENTURE” as the system supported. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossal_Cave_Adventure > > > > > > Forty years ago I knew how to make it all the way through, but that > knowledge is now lost in the mists of time for me. > > > > > > -- > > > Curtis Pew > > > ITS Campus Solutions > > > curtis@austin.utexas.edu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > -- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA > Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OT: RE: [EXT] Re: z/OSMF
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023, at 14:27, Seymour J Metz wrote: > Aggie derives from "agricultural school"; I assure you that the English > of, e.g.,Australia, New Zealand, UK, is just as opaque to us. > > Does Scotland have English terms that are understood in some regions > but not all? Well, we have terms in Scots (which isn't English) which are commonly used in sentences with English terms around them. Two short useful articles: https://dsl.ac.uk/about-scots/what-is-scots/ https://dsl.ac.uk/about-scots/a-language-or-a-dialect/ -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXT] Re: z/OSMF
https://www.cbttape.org/cbtdowns.htm 5 results for Game, including 38 Klingon, 269 Adventure, and 2 groups? On Wed, Jul 5, 2023 at 9:21 AM David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > Hi Robert, > Is the source code available? > If yes, how does one get it? > > Thanks and regards, > David > > On 2023-07-05 09:17, Crawford Robert C (Contractor) wrote: > > In the early 80's we had an adventure game written in PL/1. It was largely > > table driven so I added a room full of Texas Aggies. To retrieve the > > "treasure," an Aggie Joke book, you had to find a bar of soap and throw it > > into the room at which point the Aggies would run out of the room enabling > > you to get the book. > > > > For the record, I am a Texas Aggie and I understand that the joke will be > > lost on 49/50ths of the US. > > > > Robert Crawford > > Abstract Evolutions LLC > > (210) 913-3822 > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of > > Pew, Curtis G > > Sent: Monday, July 3, 2023 1:43 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: [EXT] Re: z/OSMF > > > > On Jul 3, 2023, at 1:26 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > > > I was thinking of the old text Adventure written in FORTRAN. > > > > > > You’re talking about the same game. The full name was “Colossal Cave > > Adventure”, but the program file name was usually as many characters of > > “ADVENTURE” as the system supported. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossal_Cave_Adventure > > > > Forty years ago I knew how to make it all the way through, but that > > knowledge is now lost in the mists of time for me. > > > > -- > > Curtis Pew > > ITS Campus Solutions > > curtis@austin.utexas.edu > > > > > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXT] Re: z/OSMF
Sorry, that was a couple of jobs ago. Wish I'd made a copy before I left. We also had a text-based version of Star Trek that ran on CICS. It was actually kind of boring so I eventually ended up blowing up the starbases. Robert Crawford Abstract Evolutions LLC (210) 913-3822 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of David Spiegel Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2023 9:21 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: z/OSMF Hi Robert, Is the source code available? If yes, how does one get it? Thanks and regards, David On 2023-07-05 09:17, Crawford Robert C (Contractor) wrote: > In the early 80's we had an adventure game written in PL/1. It was largely > table driven so I added a room full of Texas Aggies. To retrieve the > "treasure," an Aggie Joke book, you had to find a bar of soap and throw it > into the room at which point the Aggies would run out of the room enabling > you to get the book. > > For the record, I am a Texas Aggie and I understand that the joke will be > lost on 49/50ths of the US. > > Robert Crawford > Abstract Evolutions LLC > (210) 913-3822 > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Pew, Curtis G > Sent: Monday, July 3, 2023 1:43 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [EXT] Re: z/OSMF > > On Jul 3, 2023, at 1:26 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > I was thinking of the old text Adventure written in FORTRAN. > > > You’re talking about the same game. The full name was “Colossal Cave > Adventure”, but the program file name was usually as many characters > of “ADVENTURE” as the system supported. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossal_Cave_Adventure > > Forty years ago I knew how to make it all the way through, but that knowledge > is now lost in the mists of time for me. > > -- > Curtis Pew > ITS Campus Solutions > curtis@austin.utexas.edu > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXT] Re: z/OSMF
Hi Robert, Is the source code available? If yes, how does one get it? Thanks and regards, David On 2023-07-05 09:17, Crawford Robert C (Contractor) wrote: In the early 80's we had an adventure game written in PL/1. It was largely table driven so I added a room full of Texas Aggies. To retrieve the "treasure," an Aggie Joke book, you had to find a bar of soap and throw it into the room at which point the Aggies would run out of the room enabling you to get the book. For the record, I am a Texas Aggie and I understand that the joke will be lost on 49/50ths of the US. Robert Crawford Abstract Evolutions LLC (210) 913-3822 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Pew, Curtis G Sent: Monday, July 3, 2023 1:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXT] Re: z/OSMF On Jul 3, 2023, at 1:26 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: I was thinking of the old text Adventure written in FORTRAN. You’re talking about the same game. The full name was “Colossal Cave Adventure”, but the program file name was usually as many characters of “ADVENTURE” as the system supported. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossal_Cave_Adventure Forty years ago I knew how to make it all the way through, but that knowledge is now lost in the mists of time for me. -- Curtis Pew ITS Campus Solutions curtis@austin.utexas.edu -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
OT: RE: [EXT] Re: z/OSMF
Aggie derives from "agricultural school"; I assure you that the English of, e.g.,Australia, New Zealand, UK, is just as opaque to us. Does Scotland have English terms that are understood in some regions but not all? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Jeremy Nicoll [jn.ls.mfrm...@letterboxes.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2023 9:22 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: z/OSMF On Wed, 5 Jul 2023, at 14:17, Crawford Robert C (Contractor) wrote: > In the early 80's we had an adventure game written in PL/1. It was > largely table driven so I added a room full of Texas Aggies. To > retrieve the "treasure," an Aggie Joke book, you had to find a bar of > soap and throw it into the room at which point the Aggies would run out > of the room enabling you to get the book. > > For the record, I am a Texas Aggie and I understand that the joke will > be lost on 49/50ths of the US. Unless you're implying that an Aggie, whatever that is (someone from Texas A&M? - which even I, in Scotland, have heard of) is averse to soap, it's unclear. We're not all in or from the US. -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXT] Re: z/OSMF
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023, at 14:17, Crawford Robert C (Contractor) wrote: > In the early 80's we had an adventure game written in PL/1. It was > largely table driven so I added a room full of Texas Aggies. To > retrieve the "treasure," an Aggie Joke book, you had to find a bar of > soap and throw it into the room at which point the Aggies would run out > of the room enabling you to get the book. > > For the record, I am a Texas Aggie and I understand that the joke will > be lost on 49/50ths of the US. Unless you're implying that an Aggie, whatever that is (someone from Texas A&M? - which even I, in Scotland, have heard of) is averse to soap, it's unclear. We're not all in or from the US. -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXT] Re: z/OSMF
YES!! Robert Crawford Abstract Evolutions LLC (210) 913-3822 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Eric Erickson Sent: Monday, July 3, 2023 10:30 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXT] Re: z/OSMF PLUGH! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXT] Re: z/OSMF
In the early 80's we had an adventure game written in PL/1. It was largely table driven so I added a room full of Texas Aggies. To retrieve the "treasure," an Aggie Joke book, you had to find a bar of soap and throw it into the room at which point the Aggies would run out of the room enabling you to get the book. For the record, I am a Texas Aggie and I understand that the joke will be lost on 49/50ths of the US. Robert Crawford Abstract Evolutions LLC (210) 913-3822 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Pew, Curtis G Sent: Monday, July 3, 2023 1:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXT] Re: z/OSMF On Jul 3, 2023, at 1:26 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: I was thinking of the old text Adventure written in FORTRAN. You’re talking about the same game. The full name was “Colossal Cave Adventure”, but the program file name was usually as many characters of “ADVENTURE” as the system supported. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossal_Cave_Adventure Forty years ago I knew how to make it all the way through, but that knowledge is now lost in the mists of time for me. -- Curtis Pew ITS Campus Solutions curtis@austin.utexas.edu -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
