Re: [External] Re: mainframe distribution
W dniu 2018-03-20 o 19:53, Pommier, Rex pisze: Heck, I don't even know how many installations are in my city - and that's only a couple hundred thousand people! IMHO it very hard (close to impossible) to collect good information about sites without sligltly compromissing company information. Anonymous contribution like "Big company in downtown Manhattan" can be easily duplicated by folks who do not know about each others contribution. The only way to avoid duplicates is to provide something unique, like newest machine's serial number or IBM customer number. Of course someone in the company may by not happy of that, despite the number is not really a secret nor important information. Some partial information can be collected by harvesting user data from IBM-MAIN of SHARE or other communities, but it still partial. Last, but not least: one still doesn't know whether the site is 200 or 20 000 or 200 000 MIPS worth. Do they run the newest software versions in GDPS or it is 15 years old obsolete stuff with no PTFs and still "in the course of decomission". BTW, some information about Poland: 3 banks (rather current and medium to big sites) 2-3 government sites (one big) 1 telco (fading) the rest is under 1000 MIPS IMHO. I also get information about historical VSE shop. So there were at least 2 VSE shops, possibly one of the installations never went into production. I also heard about Czech - 4 sites. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == -- Treść tej wiadomości może zawierać informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wyłącznie do użytku służbowego adresata. Odbiorcą może być jedynie jej adresat z wyłączeniem dostępu osób trzecich. Jeżeli nie jesteś adresatem niniejszej wiadomości lub pracownikiem upoważnionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, że jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne działanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i może być karalne. Jeżeli otrzymałeś tę wiadomość omyłkowo, prosimy niezwłocznie zawiadomić nadawcę wysyłając odpowiedź oraz trwale usunąć tę wiadomość włączając w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorized to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa, www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.plsąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, nr rejestru przedsiębiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Według stanu na dzień 01.01.2018 r. kapitał zakładowy mBanku S.A. (w całości wpłacony) wynosi 169.248.488 złotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [External] Re: mainframe distribution
Ok. Let's make it even simpler. Number of mainframe clients, will work? Strange it is so hard to collect this information. ITschak בתאריך 20 במרץ 2018 20:54, "Pommier, Rex" כתב: > Heck, I don't even know how many installations are in my city - and that's > only a couple hundred thousand people! > > The next question concerns "what's a site?" Does a site need a > mainframe? Or can the physical equipment be across the country or > somewhere else on another continent? I know of at least 2 companies that > have development staff local (one has hundreds of developers) but no > hardware because their equipment is all at other locations. We also have > another large installation that will remain nameless that has lots of > equipment but a skeleton staff maintaining it. All operations, > development, etc is elsewhere, they just have a data center here. Which of > these qualifies as a site or an installation? > > Rex > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of zMan > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 1:37 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [External] Re: mainframe distribution > > Same problem. We have a lot of BIG states, with widely spaced cities... > > On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 1:35 PM, ITschak Mugzach > wrote: > > > So let's divide it into states... > > > > On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 7:01 PM, zMan wrote: > > > > > Maybe in smaller countries. In U.S.? Not so much. > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from > disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is > not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for > delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action > omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If > you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately > by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, > whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [External] Re: mainframe distribution
Heck, I don't even know how many installations are in my city - and that's only a couple hundred thousand people! The next question concerns "what's a site?" Does a site need a mainframe? Or can the physical equipment be across the country or somewhere else on another continent? I know of at least 2 companies that have development staff local (one has hundreds of developers) but no hardware because their equipment is all at other locations. We also have another large installation that will remain nameless that has lots of equipment but a skeleton staff maintaining it. All operations, development, etc is elsewhere, they just have a data center here. Which of these qualifies as a site or an installation? Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of zMan Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 1:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] Re: mainframe distribution Same problem. We have a lot of BIG states, with widely spaced cities... On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 1:35 PM, ITschak Mugzach wrote: > So let's divide it into states... > > On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 7:01 PM, zMan wrote: > > > Maybe in smaller countries. In U.S.? Not so much. > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
