Re: A Million Years

[Jay Maynard]

Wasn't an official utility, but IPOUPDTE was provided with the CBIPO
software delivery to do that job.

On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 1:25 PM Steve Beaver  wrote:

> A million years ago the  was an IBM Batch Utility to change strings
>
> In a PDS.
>
>
>
> Does anyone remember the name of that utility?
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Re: A Million Years

[Carmen Vitullo]

On 10/17/2022 1:27 PM, Jay Maynard wrote:

Wasn't an official utility, but IPOUPDTE was provided with the CBIPO
software delivery to do that job.

On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 1:25 PM Steve Beaver  wrote:


A million years ago the  was an IBM Batch Utility to change strings

In a PDS.



Does anyone remember the name of that utility?


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I think this was the same utility provided in the ServerPac package, 
CPPUPDTE



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Re: A Million Years

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 13:27:14 -0500, Jay Maynard wrote:

>Wasn't an official utility, but IPOUPDTE was provided with the CBIPO
>software delivery to do that job.
>
Did it update-in-place?  Does it work on PDSE?

I understand that UADS was (is?) maintained by update-in-place and
that if a member needed to be extended another member was created
distinguished by an eighth character appended to the TSO ID.  I
understand that was the principal reason for limiting TSO IDs to
seven characters.

>On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 1:25 PM Steve Beaver wrote:
>
>> A million years ago the  was an IBM Batch Utility to change strings
>>
>> In a PDS.

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Re: A Million Years

[Seymour J Metz]

CPPUPPDTE and IPOUPDTE are the two names it went by. It was a supported part of 
the IPO, etc., methodology.


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A million years ago the  was an IBM Batch Utility to change strings

In a PDS.



Does anyone remember the name of that utility?


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Re: A Million Years

[Bill Johnson]

Is IEBUPDTE still around? I know it could change strings but had limits 
regarding record length.


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A million years ago the  was an IBM Batch Utility to change strings

In a PDS.

 

Does anyone remember the name of that utility?


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Re: A Million Years

[Seymour J Metz]

Yes, but I doubt that it sees much use. As batch update programs go it's pretty 
basic.


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Is IEBUPDTE still around? I know it could change strings but had limits 
regarding record length.


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On Monday, October 17, 2022, 2:24 PM, Steve Beaver  
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A million years ago the  was an IBM Batch Utility to change strings

In a PDS.



Does anyone remember the name of that utility?


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Re: A Million Years

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 19:32:45 +, Bill Johnson wrote:

>Is IEBUPDTE still around? I know it could change strings but had limits 
>regarding record length.
>
Are those limits any harsher than those of a keypunch?  Why worry.

It appears to update-in-place:


Does it work on PDSE?

Are the sequence numbers required?  (What if you drop your thumb drive?)

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Re: A Million Years

[Seymour J Metz]

By default, IEBUPDTE replaces the member; you need to explicitly request it to 
get update in place. IEBUPDTE only requires sequence numbers if you are editing 
by sequence number, but in practice that'a almost always. PDSE should not be an 
issue.


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On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 19:32:45 +, Bill Johnson wrote:

>Is IEBUPDTE still around? I know it could change strings but had limits 
>regarding record length.
>
Are those limits any harsher than those of a keypunch?  Why worry.

It appears to update-in-place:
<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ibm.com%2Fdocs%2Fen%2Fzos%2F2.5.0%3Ftopic%3Dexamples-example-4-update-library-member&data=05%7C01%7Csmetz3%40gmu.edu%7C1e0aeb6e8c684277b69508dab07d131f%7C9e857255df574c47a0c00546460380cb%7C0%7C0%7C638016348486765692%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=oTFcNlLga0rwvjD9fJbj6xuOTEtNuw4CtJ%2FdLBdt8hs%3D&reserved=0>

Does it work on PDSE?

Are the sequence numbers required?  (What if you drop your thumb drive?)

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Re: A Million Years

[William J Bishop]

Are you talking about IPOUPDTE (?) ?

On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 1:26 PM Steve Beaver  wrote:

> A million years ago the  was an IBM Batch Utility to change strings
>
> In a PDS.
>
>
>
> Does anyone remember the name of that utility?
>
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Re: A Million Years

[Mike Schwab]

https://www.cbttape.org/freepds.htm
PDS V 8.6 is current.

On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 5:22 PM William J Bishop  wrote:
>
> Are you talking about IPOUPDTE (?) ?
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 1:26 PM Steve Beaver  wrote:
>
> > A million years ago the  was an IBM Batch Utility to change strings
> >
> > In a PDS.
> >
> >
> >
> > Does anyone remember the name of that utility?
> >
> >
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Re: A Million Years

[Seymour J Metz]

While PDS and StarTools can be used in batch TSO, I believe that the OP is 
asking about utilities provided by IBM.


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https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbttape.org%2Ffreepds.htm&data=05%7C01%7Csmetz3%40gmu.edu%7C3a487c9517f54b678a4308dab09012af%7C9e857255df574c47a0c00546460380cb%7C0%7C0%7C638016430099902266%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=WHzLr%2BOjfxIBXrvtYqupqmNt1zKu0EPRVHeNJoXbtK8%3D&reserved=0
PDS V 8.6 is current.

On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 5:22 PM William J Bishop  wrote:
>
> Are you talking about IPOUPDTE (?) ?
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 1:26 PM Steve Beaver  wrote:
>
> > A million years ago the  was an IBM Batch Utility to change strings
> >
> > In a PDS.
> >
> >
> >
> > Does anyone remember the name of that utility?
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Re: A Million Years

[Seymour J Metz]

Yes, that is how TSO uses UADS. It's supported, but is anybody still using it?


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Subject: Re: A Million Years

On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 13:27:14 -0500, Jay Maynard wrote:

>Wasn't an official utility, but IPOUPDTE was provided with the CBIPO
>software delivery to do that job.
>
Did it update-in-place?  Does it work on PDSE?

I understand that UADS was (is?) maintained by update-in-place and
that if a member needed to be extended another member was created
distinguished by an eighth character appended to the TSO ID.  I
understand that was the principal reason for limiting TSO IDs to
seven characters.

>On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 1:25 PM Steve Beaver wrote:
>
>> A million years ago the  was an IBM Batch Utility to change strings
>>
>> In a PDS.

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Re: A Million Years

[Mike Schwab]

I think it is used when you don't have a security server up.

On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 6:31 PM Seymour J Metz  wrote:
>
> Yes, that is how TSO uses UADS. It's supported, but is anybody still using it?
>
>
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>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
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> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2022 3:13 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: A Million Years
>
> On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 13:27:14 -0500, Jay Maynard wrote:
>
> >Wasn't an official utility, but IPOUPDTE was provided with the CBIPO
> >software delivery to do that job.
> >
> Did it update-in-place?  Does it work on PDSE?
>
> I understand that UADS was (is?) maintained by update-in-place and
> that if a member needed to be extended another member was created
> distinguished by an eighth character appended to the TSO ID.  I
> understand that was the principal reason for limiting TSO IDs to
> seven characters.
>
> >On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 1:25 PM Steve Beaver wrote:
> >
> >> A million years ago the  was an IBM Batch Utility to change strings
> >>
> >> In a PDS.
>
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Re: A Million Years

[Mike Shaw]

We use IEBUPDTE for Assembler source change application. SUPERC can compare
two source programs and generate a Delta file in IEBUPDTE format.

We even use IEBDG as part of a process when packaging our product elements
for customer download.

Mike Shaw
MVS/QuickRef Support Group
Chicago-Soft, Ltd.

On Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 3:46 PM Seymour J Metz  wrote:

> Yes, but I doubt that it sees much use. As batch update programs go it's
> pretty basic.
>
> 
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> Subject: Re: A Million Years
>
> Is IEBUPDTE still around? I know it could change strings but had limits
> regarding record length.
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
>
> On Monday, October 17, 2022, 2:24 PM, Steve Beaver 
> wrote:
>
> A million years ago the  was an IBM Batch Utility to change strings
>
> In a PDS.
>
>
>
> Does anyone remember the name of that utility?
>
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Re: A Million Years

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Tue, 18 Oct 2022 05:23:24 -0400, Mike Shaw wrote:

>We use IEBUPDTE for Assembler source change application. SUPERC can compare
>two source programs and generate a Delta file in IEBUPDTE format.
> 
But, dammit, the UPDMVS8 option requires that both comparands have
valid sequence numbers.  UPDCMA8 requires only that the OLD
comparand have valid sequence numbers.  Why!?

I wrote a script to use UPDCMS8 (not hard to reverse-engineer) and
convert to IEBUPDTE format, supporting undisciplined coders who
used non-numbering editors and delivering numbered ++MAC elememts
to customers.

>We even use IEBDG as part of a process when packaging our product elements
>for customer download.
>
Details?  I'm unfamiliar with IEBDG.  I thought it was for generating test data.

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Re: A Million Years

[Mike Shaw]

We use IEBDG to generate separator recordS between concatenated XMIT files
for our LINKLIB, panels, msgs, etc. That sandwich then gets converted to
printable EBCDIC and imbedded within REXX code that will self-unpack those
XMIT files (via TSO/E RECEIVEs) when invoked on z/OS.

Mike



On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 9:11 AM Paul Gilmartin <
042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Oct 2022 05:23:24 -0400, Mike Shaw wrote:
>
> >We use IEBUPDTE for Assembler source change application. SUPERC can
> compare
> >two source programs and generate a Delta file in IEBUPDTE format.
> >
> But, dammit, the UPDMVS8 option requires that both comparands have
> valid sequence numbers.  UPDCMA8 requires only that the OLD
> comparand have valid sequence numbers.  Why!?
>
> I wrote a script to use UPDCMS8 (not hard to reverse-engineer) and
> convert to IEBUPDTE format, supporting undisciplined coders who
> used non-numbering editors and delivering numbered ++MAC elememts
> to customers.
>
> >We even use IEBDG as part of a process when packaging our product elements
> >for customer download.
> >
> Details?  I'm unfamiliar with IEBDG.  I thought it was for generating test
> data.
>
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Re: A Million Years

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Tue, 18 Oct 2022 09:55:22 -0400, Mike Shaw wrote:

>We use IEBDG to generate separator records between concatenated XMIT files
>
Thanks.

>for our LINKLIB, panels, msgs, etc. That sandwich then gets converted 
>printable EBCDIC and imbedded within REXX code that will self-unpack those
>
"uuencode -m" might be good for that'.  I've done POC but never used it
in practice.  XMIT in instream JCL suffers the risk that there is no digraph
safe to use in DLM=.

Rexx sadly lacks an instream data facility.   I've faked it with
sourceline() fetching from comment text.

>XMIT files (via TSO/E RECEIVEs) when invoked on z/OS.

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