Re: CBU test

[Timothy Sipples]

Radoslaw Skorupka:
>Yes, there are other methods to skin the cat, but what's wrong with
>knowledge whether method #101 is possible?

I believe I offered an answer to your question. If there's no other test
that you could be running instead that is more important then have fun.


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Re: CBU test

[Parwez Hamid]

The CBU test starts when the first processor is activated. That starts the 10 
day clock.  As long as 1 processor remains active,  the customer can go up and 
down as may times as they want within that 10 day period.   As soon as all 
processors on the record are deactivated, the test ends.

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Re: CBU test

[R.S.]

W dniu 2016-03-02 o 06:50, Timothy Sipples pisze:

Radoslaw Skorupka wrote:

That's another option, surely it is legal and counts as one CBU test,
but it does not allow to downsize from 7nn to 6nn or 5nn or 4nn capacity
marker.

True, but you have lots of LPAR constraint settings to accomplish
fundamentally the same thing if you wish.

I like Ken Porowski's idea very much. Keep in mind that a DR test needs to
be a DR test. If you're running out of ideas on what to test or rehearse,
then you probably just haven't done enough thinking yet. :-) (Hint: It
might not be the mainframe! Or try metaphorically incapacitating half or
more of the IT staff -- as they're off trying to save their spouses and
children instead of their employer's IT -- and discover what "hilarity"
ensues.) Every test you run is some other test you don't have time or
resources to run. Imagination is wonderful and fantastic, but imagination
well directed is even better.

Finally, this particular test (testing the "tallness" of engines) you have
already undoubtedly run, more than once. You previously ran this test when
you upgraded to your current machine model. A z13 capacity model 702 is not
a z12EC capacity model 702, for example. Engine "tallness" is never exactly
the same across model generations. A z12EC capacity model 702 is quite like
a hypothetical sub-capacity engine-equipped z13 -- somewhere between a 602
and a 702 z13, closer to the latter.


The only thing I want to accomplish now is to know whether multiple 
"Perform Model Conversion" operations during CBU test are allowed or not.
Yes, there are other methods to skin the cat, but what's wrong with 
knowledge whether method #101 is possible?
That clearly remains me Stanisław Lem's sepulki 
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepulka) .


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Re: CBU test

[Timothy Sipples]

Radoslaw Skorupka wrote:
>That's another option, surely it is legal and counts as one CBU test,
>but it does not allow to downsize from 7nn to 6nn or 5nn or 4nn capacity
>marker.

True, but you have lots of LPAR constraint settings to accomplish
fundamentally the same thing if you wish.

I like Ken Porowski's idea very much. Keep in mind that a DR test needs to
be a DR test. If you're running out of ideas on what to test or rehearse,
then you probably just haven't done enough thinking yet. :-) (Hint: It
might not be the mainframe! Or try metaphorically incapacitating half or
more of the IT staff -- as they're off trying to save their spouses and
children instead of their employer's IT -- and discover what "hilarity"
ensues.) Every test you run is some other test you don't have time or
resources to run. Imagination is wonderful and fantastic, but imagination
well directed is even better.

Finally, this particular test (testing the "tallness" of engines) you have
already undoubtedly run, more than once. You previously ran this test when
you upgraded to your current machine model. A z13 capacity model 702 is not
a z12EC capacity model 702, for example. Engine "tallness" is never exactly
the same across model generations. A z12EC capacity model 702 is quite like
a hypothetical sub-capacity engine-equipped z13 -- somewhere between a 602
and a 702 z13, closer to the latter.


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Re: CBU test

[R.S.]

W dniu 2016-02-29 o 22:34, Porowski, Ken pisze:

Maybe he wants to test on a subcapacity machine for future CPU purchase 
decisions?

He could test 701-708 configs by activating the 709 and just taking CPs offline.
That's another option, surely it is legal and counts as one CBU test, 
but it does not allow to downsize from 7nn to 6nn or 5nn or 4nn capacity 
marker.


Why I need to use subcapacity models - well, I don't need it. I even do 
not need CBU for majority (not all) of DR tests, the lowest model 401 is 
still able to start everything. The real rationale is curiosity. Mine 
and my manager. Since it is possible to pay per use for DR test (I mean 
ISV, not IBM), it would be good to know whether smaller machine can be 
used. Note, this time CF CPU OFFLINE does not apply.


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Re: CBU test

[Clark Morris]

On 29 Feb 2016 12:38:33 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main Thomas Ambrose
wrote:

>I think the real question is whether a temporary upgrade within a temporary 
>upgrade counts as two temporary upgrades: 
>
>2. Single CBU test is limited up to 10 days, AFAIK. Is it allowed to perform 
>model conversion more than once during the period? For example activate model 
>703 and if performance is not OK then further add next processors.
>
>That raises a question, to me at least.  Why would you not max out in the 
>first place, given that there's no financial effect? 

If the purpose of the test is to determine how much processor
capability is needed or what the effect of an increase would be, I can
see testing at 2 or 3 different levels to get an understanding of the
effects of change.  If a maximum load would be X MSUs/MIPS/etc. then
there is no point in testing 2X but there might be in testing .8X and
1.5X or the breakpoints on software charges.

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>No problems at all, you aren't billed for the usage.  We do it ourselves 
>during our annual DR test at our lukewarm site (VTape replicated, DASD not 
>replicated).
>
>2016-02-29 11:53 GMT-06:00 R.S. <r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl>:
>> W dniu 2016-02-29 o 18:43, Rob Schramm pisze:
>>>
>>> Sounds like a disaster recovery CBU?
>>>
>> Yes, it's Capacity Backup Upgrade.
>>
>> @Mike,
>> Neither IBM software fees nor ISV are not a problem here, since I'm 
>> allowed to perform such tests without any fees.
>> We are talking about CBU *test*.
>>
>> Regards
>> --
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>> Lodz, Poland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> upowa?nionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, ?e jej 
>> rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne dzia?anie o 
>> podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i mo?e by? karalne. 
>> Je?eli otrzyma?e? t? wiadomo?? omy?kowo, prosimy niezw?ocznie 
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Re: CBU test

[Tom Brennan]

I just talked to a long-time former IBMer and he says:

#1 Yes (which matches up with my own experience at the HMC CBU screens)

#2 Yes (from his memory).  You would vary offline CP's so there's no 
more than 3 (in your 703 example) on any LPAR and then head back to the 
HMC temporary upgrade screens to change things.  I was a bit surprised 
because I expected that would burn an additional CBU test within the 
original 10 day period, but he says it will not.


R.S. wrote:

I'm going to perform CBU test.
According to activation record in SE I'm authorized to upgrade my CBU 
machine up to purchased level, but it is also technically possible to 
choose something between current performance model and maximum purchased.
Example: z13 401, CBU up to 709. It is also possible to perform model 
conversion to 703 or 605, etc.


Questions:
1. Is it allowed byt Terms and Conditions to use "middle of the road" 
model, like 605?

I assume yes, but...
2. Single CBU test is limited up to 10 days, AFAIK. Is it allowed to 
perform model conversion more than once during the period? For example 
activate model 703 and if performance is not OK then further add next 
processors.




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Re: CBU test

[Porowski, Ken]

Maybe he wants to test on a subcapacity machine for future CPU purchase 
decisions?

He could test 701-708 configs by activating the 709 and just taking CPs offline.



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Best question! When I ran the tests we never considered anything smaller than 
the full size of our CBU agreement.

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Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 15:38
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Subject: Re: CBU test

I think the real question is whether a temporary upgrade within a temporary 
upgrade counts as two temporary upgrades:

2. Single CBU test is limited up to 10 days, AFAIK. Is it allowed to perform 
model conversion more than once during the period? For example activate model 
703 and if performance is not OK then further add next processors.

That raises a question, to me at least. Why would you not max out in the first 
place, given that there's no financial effect?

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Of Mike Schwab
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 13:06
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: CBU test

No problems at all, you aren't billed for the usage. We do it ourselves during 
our annual DR test at our lukewarm site (VTape replicated, DASD not replicated).

2016-02-29 11:53 GMT-06:00 R.S. <r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl>:
> W dniu 2016-02-29 o 18:43, Rob Schramm pisze:
>>
>> Sounds like a disaster recovery CBU?
>>
> Yes, it's Capacity Backup Upgrade.
>
> @Mike,
> Neither IBM software fees nor ISV are not a problem here, since I'm
> allowed to perform such tests without any fees.
> We are talking about CBU *test*.
>
> Regards
> --
> Radoslaw Skorupka
> Lodz, Poland
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> upoważnionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, że jej
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Re: CBU test

[Ted MacNEIL]

Best question! When I ran the tests we never considered anything smaller than 
the full size of our CBU agreement.

-teD
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From: Ambros, Thomas
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 15:38
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
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Subject: Re: CBU test

I think the real question is whether a temporary upgrade within a temporary 
upgrade counts as two temporary upgrades: 

2. Single CBU test is limited up to 10 days, AFAIK. Is it allowed to perform 
model conversion more than once during the period? For example activate model 
703 and if performance is not OK then further add next processors.

That raises a question, to me at least. Why would you not max out in the first 
place, given that there's no financial effect? 

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Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 13:06
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: CBU test

No problems at all, you aren't billed for the usage. We do it ourselves during 
our annual DR test at our lukewarm site (VTape replicated, DASD not replicated).

2016-02-29 11:53 GMT-06:00 R.S. <r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl>:
> W dniu 2016-02-29 o 18:43, Rob Schramm pisze:
>>
>> Sounds like a disaster recovery CBU?
>>
> Yes, it's Capacity Backup Upgrade.
>
> @Mike,
> Neither IBM software fees nor ISV are not a problem here, since I'm 
> allowed to perform such tests without any fees.
> We are talking about CBU *test*.
>
> Regards
> --
> Radoslaw Skorupka
> Lodz, Poland
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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> nie jesteś adresatem niniejszej wiadomości lub pracownikiem 
> upoważnionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, że jej 
> rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne działanie o 
> podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i może być karalne. 
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Re: CBU test

[Ambros, Thomas]

I think the real question is whether a temporary upgrade within a temporary 
upgrade counts as two temporary upgrades: 

2. Single CBU test is limited up to 10 days, AFAIK. Is it allowed to perform 
model conversion more than once during the period? For example activate model 
703 and if performance is not OK then further add next processors.

That raises a question, to me at least.  Why would you not max out in the first 
place, given that there's no financial effect? 

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Mike Schwab
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 13:06
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: CBU test

No problems at all, you aren't billed for the usage.  We do it ourselves during 
our annual DR test at our lukewarm site (VTape replicated, DASD not replicated).

2016-02-29 11:53 GMT-06:00 R.S. <r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl>:
> W dniu 2016-02-29 o 18:43, Rob Schramm pisze:
>>
>> Sounds like a disaster recovery CBU?
>>
> Yes, it's Capacity Backup Upgrade.
>
> @Mike,
> Neither IBM software fees nor ISV are not a problem here, since I'm 
> allowed to perform such tests without any fees.
> We are talking about CBU *test*.
>
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Re: CBU test

[Mike Schwab]

No problems at all, you aren't billed for the usage.  We do it
ourselves during our annual DR test at our lukewarm site (VTape
replicated, DASD not replicated).

2016-02-29 11:53 GMT-06:00 R.S. :
> W dniu 2016-02-29 o 18:43, Rob Schramm pisze:
>>
>> Sounds like a disaster recovery CBU?
>>
> Yes, it's Capacity Backup Upgrade.
>
> @Mike,
> Neither IBM software fees nor ISV are not a problem here, since I'm allowed
> to perform such tests without any fees.
> We are talking about CBU *test*.
>
> Regards
> --
> Radoslaw Skorupka
> Lodz, Poland
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Treść tej wiadomości może zawierać informacje prawnie chronione Banku
> przeznaczone wyłącznie do użytku służbowego adresata. Odbiorcą może być
> jedynie jej adresat z wyłączeniem dostępu osób trzecich. Jeżeli nie jesteś
> adresatem niniejszej wiadomości lub pracownikiem upoważnionym do jej
> przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, że jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie,
> rozprowadzanie lub inne działanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie
> zabronione i może być karalne. Jeżeli otrzymałeś tę wiadomość omyłkowo,
> prosimy niezwłocznie zawiadomić nadawcę wysyłając odpowiedź oraz trwale
> usunąć tę wiadomość włączając w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub
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Re: CBU test

[R.S.]

W dniu 2016-02-29 o 18:43, Rob Schramm pisze:

Sounds like a disaster recovery CBU?


Yes, it's Capacity Backup Upgrade.

@Mike,
Neither IBM software fees nor ISV are not a problem here, since I'm 
allowed to perform such tests without any fees.

We are talking about CBU *test*.

Regards
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przeznaczone wyłącznie do użytku służbowego adresata. Odbiorcą może być jedynie 
jej adresat z wyłączeniem dostępu osób trzecich. Jeżeli nie jesteś adresatem 
niniejszej wiadomości lub pracownikiem upoważnionym do jej przekazania 
adresatowi, informujemy, że jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie 
lub inne działanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i może być 
karalne. Jeżeli otrzymałeś tę wiadomość omyłkowo, prosimy niezwłocznie 
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Re: CBU test

[Rob Schramm]

Sounds like a disaster recovery CBU?

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016, 12:19 PM Mike Schwab  wrote:

> One big problem with an upgrade is the increase in software costs.
> Make sure all your software licenses are based on a MIPS rating and
> not the number of cores.
>
> http://watsonwalker.com/cheryls-list-189-5-february-2016/ reports USAA
> upgraded to a z13 and didn't get the performance they expected.  They
> adjusted their software licenses to be based on actual MIPS then
> license additional cores in 2 steps.  Their actual MIPS went down
> considerably because the workload was spread over more core an cache
> misses went down.
>
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:19 AM, R.S. 
> wrote:
> > I'm going to perform CBU test.
> > According to activation record in SE I'm authorized to upgrade my CBU
> > machine up to purchased level, but it is also technically possible to
> choose
> > something between current performance model and maximum purchased.
> > Example: z13 401, CBU up to 709. It is also possible to perform model
> > conversion to 703 or 605, etc.
> >
> > Questions:
> > 1. Is it allowed byt Terms and Conditions to use "middle of the road"
> model,
> > like 605?
> > I assume yes, but...
> > 2. Single CBU test is limited up to 10 days, AFAIK. Is it allowed to
> perform
> > model conversion more than once during the period? For example activate
> > model 703 and if performance is not OK then further add next processors.
> >
> > --
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> > Lodz, Poland
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---
> > Treść tej wiadomości może zawierać informacje prawnie chronione Banku
> > przeznaczone wyłącznie do użytku służbowego adresata. Odbiorcą może być
> > jedynie jej adresat z wyłączeniem dostępu osób trzecich. Jeżeli nie
> jesteś
> > adresatem niniejszej wiadomości lub pracownikiem upoważnionym do jej
> > przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, że jej rozpowszechnianie,
> kopiowanie,
> > rozprowadzanie lub inne działanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie
> > zabronione i może być karalne. Jeżeli otrzymałeś tę wiadomość omyłkowo,
> > prosimy niezwłocznie zawiadomić nadawcę wysyłając odpowiedź oraz trwale
> > usunąć tę wiadomość włączając w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub
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Re: CBU test

[Mike Schwab]

One big problem with an upgrade is the increase in software costs.
Make sure all your software licenses are based on a MIPS rating and
not the number of cores.

http://watsonwalker.com/cheryls-list-189-5-february-2016/ reports USAA
upgraded to a z13 and didn't get the performance they expected.  They
adjusted their software licenses to be based on actual MIPS then
license additional cores in 2 steps.  Their actual MIPS went down
considerably because the workload was spread over more core an cache
misses went down.

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:19 AM, R.S.  wrote:
> I'm going to perform CBU test.
> According to activation record in SE I'm authorized to upgrade my CBU
> machine up to purchased level, but it is also technically possible to choose
> something between current performance model and maximum purchased.
> Example: z13 401, CBU up to 709. It is also possible to perform model
> conversion to 703 or 605, etc.
>
> Questions:
> 1. Is it allowed byt Terms and Conditions to use "middle of the road" model,
> like 605?
> I assume yes, but...
> 2. Single CBU test is limited up to 10 days, AFAIK. Is it allowed to perform
> model conversion more than once during the period? For example activate
> model 703 and if performance is not OK then further add next processors.
>
> --
> Radoslaw Skorupka
> Lodz, Poland
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
> Treść tej wiadomości może zawierać informacje prawnie chronione Banku
> przeznaczone wyłącznie do użytku służbowego adresata. Odbiorcą może być
> jedynie jej adresat z wyłączeniem dostępu osób trzecich. Jeżeli nie jesteś
> adresatem niniejszej wiadomości lub pracownikiem upoważnionym do jej
> przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, że jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie,
> rozprowadzanie lub inne działanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie
> zabronione i może być karalne. Jeżeli otrzymałeś tę wiadomość omyłkowo,
> prosimy niezwłocznie zawiadomić nadawcę wysyłając odpowiedź oraz trwale
> usunąć tę wiadomość włączając w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub
> zapisane na dysku.
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> www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl
> Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru
> Sądowego, nr rejestru przedsiębiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88.
> Według stanu na dzień 01.01.2016 r. kapitał zakładowy mBanku S.A. (w całości
> wpłacony) wynosi 168.955.696 złotych.
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