Re: ISPF WSA and ISPF Plugin for z/OSMF
On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 1:09 AM Seymour J Metz wrote: > Can you start to a new window as an alternative to a new tab? That was my > common use case for WSA. > No, not as far as I can tell. Tabs or splits only. > > Also, what is performance like? > It's OK, not as fast as TN3270. But I am accessing a machine on the opposite side of the globe from me. As for resource consumption, I haven't done any measurements, but z/OSMF is in general pretty piggish with CPU & memory. > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF WSA and ISPF Plugin for z/OSMF
Can you start to a new window as an alternative to a new tab? That was my common use case for WSA. Also, what is performance like? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Steve Smith [sasd...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 9:30 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: ISPF WSA and ISPF Plugin for z/OSMF I experimented with WSA back in the day; didn't find it especially compelling, best I can recall. I've lately been experimenting with the ISPF plugin for z/OSMF. If you like a more pointy-clicky interface, you might like it. I presume whatever customization done with WSA would not apply. I have a list of things I don't like about the ISPF plugin, but it may hopefully improve. One thing that is really good is tabbed screens. Instead of 'SPLIT' (which is still there), you can enter 'START' to get a new tabbed screen. sas On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 12:40 AM Michael Oujesky wrote: > Ditto > > At 05:09 PM 6/10/2022, Don Leahy wrote: > > >I am still in mourning about the prospect of losing WSA. I built several > >tools around it. :-( > > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF WSA and ISPF Plugin for z/OSMF
On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 16:15:11 -0400, Don Leahy wrote: >Yes, ISPF stats are too easily manipulated to be reliable. I regard them >as a convenience and would not try to use them for serious source control >purposes. > Here, I laud SMP/E for employing relations in a VSAM data base rather than file timestamps (as "make" uses), which are often chaotic, or in the case of classic MVS nonexistent. This is making a virtue of necessity. >> If I migrate and recall a PDSE with HSM, the original FAMS >> timestamps are preserved. >> If I unload and reload that PDSE with IEBCOPY, those timestamps >> are changed to the time of the reload. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF WSA and ISPF Plugin for z/OSMF
Yes, ISPF stats are too easily manipulated to be reliable. I regard them as a convenience and would not try to use them for serious source control purposes. On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 12:31 Paul Gilmartin < 042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 10:26:38 -0400, Don Leahy wrote: > > >It was also aware of ISPF stats, so on a WS to host xfer it could compare > >dates and only transfer changed files. > > > But beware. Timestamps at both ends may be under user control. > I have scripts that deliberately change timestamps of some files > to match their content. > > If I migrate and recall a PDSE with HSM, the original FAMS > timestamps are preserved. > If I unload and reload that PDSE with IEBCOPY, those timestamps > are changed to the time of the reload. > > And z/OS, Windows, and UNIX have different timezone conventions. > > -- > gil > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF WSA and ISPF Plugin for z/OSMF
On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 10:26:38 -0400, Don Leahy wrote: >It was also aware of ISPF stats, so on a WS to host xfer it could compare >dates and only transfer changed files. > But beware. Timestamps at both ends may be under user control. I have scripts that deliberately change timestamps of some files to match their content. If I migrate and recall a PDSE with HSM, the original FAMS timestamps are preserved. If I unload and reload that PDSE with IEBCOPY, those timestamps are changed to the time of the reload. And z/OS, Windows, and UNIX have different timezone conventions. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF WSA and ISPF Plugin for z/OSMF
I like big screens with lots of open windows. Even though the WSA GUI was clunky and had poor cut-and-paste support, it did let see see multiple ISPF splits concurrently. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Don Leahy [don.le...@leacom.ca] Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 9:47 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ISPF WSA and ISPF Plugin for z/OSMF I won’t miss the GUI interface that WSA provides. I will miss the FILEXFER ISPF service. It makes it easy to incorporate file transfers into your ISPF dialog applications and to initiate transfers from batch jobs. On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 09:30 Steve Smith wrote: > I experimented with WSA back in the day; didn't find it especially > compelling, best I can recall. I've lately been experimenting with the > ISPF plugin for z/OSMF. If you like a more pointy-clicky interface, you > might like it. I presume whatever customization done with WSA would not > apply. > > I have a list of things I don't like about the ISPF plugin, but it may > hopefully improve. One thing that is really good is tabbed screens. > Instead of 'SPLIT' (which is still there), you can enter 'START' to get a > new tabbed screen. > > sas > > > On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 12:40 AM Michael Oujesky > wrote: > > > Ditto > > > > At 05:09 PM 6/10/2022, Don Leahy wrote: > > > > >I am still in mourning about the prospect of losing WSA. I built > several > > >tools around it. :-( > > > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF WSA and ISPF Plugin for z/OSMF
It was also aware of ISPF stats, so on a WS to host xfer it could compare dates and only transfer changed files. It’s always mystified me that the non-GUI functionality supported by WSA never really caught on. The trifling task of installing the WSA.EXE seemed to be too big an obstacle for many people. On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 15:02 Michael Oujesky wrote: > And it had the ability to take a PDS and transfer all the members to > individual files on the target (Windows) with EBCDIC to ASCII > translation in one transfer request. > > Michael > > At 08:47 AM 6/11/2022, Don Leahy wrote: > > >I won't miss the GUI interface that WSA provides. I will miss the > >FILEXFER ISPF service. It makes it easy to incorporate file transfers > >into your ISPF dialog applications and to initiate transfers from batch > >jobs. > > > > > >On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 09:30 Steve Smith wrote: > > > > > I experimented with WSA back in the day; didn't find it especially > > > compelling, best I can recall. I've lately been experimenting with the > > > ISPF plugin for z/OSMF. If you like a more pointy-clicky interface, > you > > > might like it. I presume whatever customization done with WSA would not > > > apply. > > > > > > I have a list of things I don't like about the ISPF plugin, but it may > > > hopefully improve. One thing that is really good is tabbed screens. > > > Instead of 'SPLIT' (which is still there), you can enter 'START' to > get a > > > new tabbed screen. > > > > > > sas > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 12:40 AM Michael Oujesky < > reflect...@oujesky.net> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Ditto > > > > > > > > At 05:09 PM 6/10/2022, Don Leahy wrote: > > > > > > > > >I am still in mourning about the prospect of losing WSA. I built > > > several > > > > >tools around it. :-( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > >-- > >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF WSA and ISPF Plugin for z/OSMF
And it had the ability to take a PDS and transfer all the members to individual files on the target (Windows) with EBCDIC to ASCII translation in one transfer request. Michael At 08:47 AM 6/11/2022, Don Leahy wrote: I won't miss the GUI interface that WSA provides. I will miss the FILEXFER ISPF service. It makes it easy to incorporate file transfers into your ISPF dialog applications and to initiate transfers from batch jobs. On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 09:30 Steve Smith wrote: > I experimented with WSA back in the day; didn't find it especially > compelling, best I can recall. I've lately been experimenting with the > ISPF plugin for z/OSMF. If you like a more pointy-clicky interface, you > might like it. I presume whatever customization done with WSA would not > apply. > > I have a list of things I don't like about the ISPF plugin, but it may > hopefully improve. One thing that is really good is tabbed screens. > Instead of 'SPLIT' (which is still there), you can enter 'START' to get a > new tabbed screen. > > sas > > > On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 12:40 AM Michael Oujesky > wrote: > > > Ditto > > > > At 05:09 PM 6/10/2022, Don Leahy wrote: > > > > >I am still in mourning about the prospect of losing WSA. I built > several > > >tools around it. :-( > > > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF WSA and ISPF Plugin for z/OSMF
I guess I should have tried other WSA facilities, but once I saw the GUI editor I didn't like it and I never bothered with anything else. I used to regularly print a page of large font that could be read across the operations room showing res pack volsers for each LPAR. That data was gathered in an ISPF application, then sent to my PC and printed using a TPUT program and bit of a code I added to my terminal emulator. So basically, I'd press Enter in the ISPF app and out would come a rexx-generated rtf file on a PC-attached printer. Sounds like I could have done similar with WSA. On 6/11/2022 6:47 AM, Don Leahy wrote: I won’t miss the GUI interface that WSA provides. I will miss the FILEXFER ISPF service. It makes it easy to incorporate file transfers into your ISPF dialog applications and to initiate transfers from batch jobs. On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 09:30 Steve Smith wrote: I experimented with WSA back in the day; didn't find it especially compelling, best I can recall. I've lately been experimenting with the ISPF plugin for z/OSMF. If you like a more pointy-clicky interface, you might like it. I presume whatever customization done with WSA would not apply. I have a list of things I don't like about the ISPF plugin, but it may hopefully improve. One thing that is really good is tabbed screens. Instead of 'SPLIT' (which is still there), you can enter 'START' to get a new tabbed screen. sas On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 12:40 AM Michael Oujesky wrote: Ditto At 05:09 PM 6/10/2022, Don Leahy wrote: I am still in mourning about the prospect of losing WSA. I built several tools around it. :-( -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN . -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF WSA and ISPF Plugin for z/OSMF
I won’t miss the GUI interface that WSA provides. I will miss the FILEXFER ISPF service. It makes it easy to incorporate file transfers into your ISPF dialog applications and to initiate transfers from batch jobs. On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 09:30 Steve Smith wrote: > I experimented with WSA back in the day; didn't find it especially > compelling, best I can recall. I've lately been experimenting with the > ISPF plugin for z/OSMF. If you like a more pointy-clicky interface, you > might like it. I presume whatever customization done with WSA would not > apply. > > I have a list of things I don't like about the ISPF plugin, but it may > hopefully improve. One thing that is really good is tabbed screens. > Instead of 'SPLIT' (which is still there), you can enter 'START' to get a > new tabbed screen. > > sas > > > On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 12:40 AM Michael Oujesky > wrote: > > > Ditto > > > > At 05:09 PM 6/10/2022, Don Leahy wrote: > > > > >I am still in mourning about the prospect of losing WSA. I built > several > > >tools around it. :-( > > > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
