Re: Lenovo and Superfish
On 20/02/2015 11:54 PM, John McKown wrote: On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Mark Post wrote: On 2/20/2015 at 08:32 AM, David Crayford wrote: Barbarian! Macs are beautiful. The product may be beautiful, but the company that produces it most certainly is not. Every time my wife brings up the idea of buying anything from them I tell her "no." Mark Post Well, I personally like both Windows and Mac users. Why? "Low hanging fruit". I don't have hackers going after my Linux set up at home so long as there are easier targets. If Linux becomes too popular, then there is always OpenBSD or one of the other *BSD systems. I'm a lot more worried about hackers going after my android devices than my Mac (or iPhone). Say what you like about Apple but they quality control apps far better than most vendors. I'm not a big fan of Windows because I much prefix Unix-like systems. But it's certainly usable and has a nice UI. And I still haven't found a decent 3270 emulator for Linux (or Mac) yet which I require for work. All the good ones are Windows only. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Lenovo and Superfish
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 11:57:22 -0700, Mark Post wrote: >The problem he was having isn't with the hardware, but what the >vendors layer on top of it. Since I wipe any system containing >Windows on it and install Linux, I don't really care much about that >aspect. There are problems with much of the hardware, in that some hardware requires proprietary drivers to run. ThinkPenguin.com has some nice hardware that works with free drivers. My son has a nice laptop from there. It came with trisquel installed. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Lenovo and Superfish
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Mark Post wrote: > >>> On 2/20/2015 at 11:28 AM, Tomasz Rola wrote: > >> And I trust Linux hardware vendors more than those who get extra > >> money for installing "adware" and the like. > > > > I'm afraid this is the very same hardware. > > The problem he was having isn't with the hardware, but what the vendors > layer on top of it. Since I wipe any system containing Windows on it and > install Linux, I don't really care much about that aspect. > > It's actually somewhat gratifying. More people should try it. :) > I prefer buying a "bare" machine to getting one with Windows & wiping it. What I'd really like to do is just build my own, but my fingers are arthritic and it is just plain too much of a bother. ZaReason or System76. > > > Mark Post > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- He's about as useful as a wax frying pan. 10 to the 12th power microphones = 1 Megaphone Maranatha! <>< John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Lenovo and Superfish
>>> On 2/20/2015 at 11:28 AM, Tomasz Rola wrote: >> And I trust Linux hardware vendors more than those who get extra >> money for installing "adware" and the like. > > I'm afraid this is the very same hardware. The problem he was having isn't with the hardware, but what the vendors layer on top of it. Since I wipe any system containing Windows on it and install Linux, I don't really care much about that aspect. It's actually somewhat gratifying. More people should try it. :) Mark Post -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Lenovo and Superfish
W dniu 2015-02-20 o 19:01, Sam Siegel pisze: On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 9:40 AM, R.S. wrote: W dniu 2015-02-20 o 16:54, John McKown pisze: On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Mark Post wrote: On 2/20/2015 at 08:32 AM, David Crayford wrote: Barbarian! Macs are beautiful. The product may be beautiful, but the company that produces it most certainly is not. Every time my wife brings up the idea of buying anything from them I tell her "no." Mark Post Well, I personally like both Windows and Mac users. Why? "Low hanging fruit". I don't have hackers going after my Linux set up at home so long as there are easier targets. If Linux becomes too popular, then there is always OpenBSD or one of the other *BSD systems. Good reason to use zTPF. ;-) BTW: Is there any (still used and supported) OS less popular than zTPF? TPF is very popular with the companies which use it. :-) All five? ;-) -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland --- Treść tej wiadomości może zawierać informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wyłącznie do użytku służbowego adresata. Odbiorcą może być jedynie jej adresat z wyłączeniem dostępu osób trzecich. Jeżeli nie jesteś adresatem niniejszej wiadomości lub pracownikiem upoważnionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, że jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne działanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i może być karalne. Jeżeli otrzymałeś tę wiadomość omyłkowo, prosimy niezwłocznie zawiadomić nadawcę wysyłając odpowiedź oraz trwale usunąć tę wiadomość włączając w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorized to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa, www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, nr rejestru przedsiębiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Według stanu na dzień 01.01.2015 r. kapitał zakładowy mBanku S.A. (w całości wpłacony) wynosi 168.840.228 złotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Lenovo and Superfish
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 9:40 AM, R.S. wrote: > W dniu 2015-02-20 o 16:54, John McKown pisze: > >> On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Mark Post wrote: >> >> On 2/20/2015 at 08:32 AM, David Crayford wrote: >> > Barbarian! Macs are beautiful. >>> The product may be beautiful, but the company that produces it most >>> certainly is not. Every time my wife brings up the idea of buying >>> anything >>> from them I tell her "no." >>> >>> >>> Mark Post >>> >>> Well, I personally like both Windows and Mac users. Why? "Low hanging >> fruit". I don't have hackers going after my Linux set up at home so long >> as >> there are easier targets. If Linux becomes too popular, then there is >> always OpenBSD or one of the other *BSD systems. >> >> >> Good reason to use zTPF. ;-) > > BTW: Is there any (still used and supported) OS less popular than zTPF? > TPF is very popular with the companies which use it. :-) > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > Lodz, Poland > > > > > > > -- > Treść tej wiadomości może zawierać informacje prawnie chronione Banku > przeznaczone wyłącznie do użytku służbowego adresata. Odbiorcą może być > jedynie jej adresat z wyłączeniem dostępu osób trzecich. Jeżeli nie jesteś > adresatem niniejszej wiadomości lub pracownikiem upoważnionym do jej > przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, że jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, > rozprowadzanie lub inne działanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie > zabronione i może być karalne. Jeżeli otrzymałeś tę wiadomość omyłkowo, > prosimy niezwłocznie zawiadomić nadawcę wysyłając odpowiedź oraz trwale > usunąć tę wiadomość włączając w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub > zapisane na dysku. > > This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is > intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be > received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If > you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee > authorized to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any > dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is > legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by > mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in > your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any > copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. > > mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa, > www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl > Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego > Rejestru Sądowego, nr rejestru przedsiębiorców KRS 025237, NIP: > 526-021-50-88. Według stanu na dzień 01.01.2015 r. kapitał zakładowy mBanku > S.A. (w całości wpłacony) wynosi 168.840.228 złotych. > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Lenovo and Superfish
W dniu 2015-02-20 o 16:54, John McKown pisze: On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Mark Post wrote: On 2/20/2015 at 08:32 AM, David Crayford wrote: Barbarian! Macs are beautiful. The product may be beautiful, but the company that produces it most certainly is not. Every time my wife brings up the idea of buying anything from them I tell her "no." Mark Post Well, I personally like both Windows and Mac users. Why? "Low hanging fruit". I don't have hackers going after my Linux set up at home so long as there are easier targets. If Linux becomes too popular, then there is always OpenBSD or one of the other *BSD systems. Good reason to use zTPF. ;-) BTW: Is there any (still used and supported) OS less popular than zTPF? -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Treść tej wiadomości może zawierać informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wyłącznie do użytku służbowego adresata. Odbiorcą może być jedynie jej adresat z wyłączeniem dostępu osób trzecich. Jeżeli nie jesteś adresatem niniejszej wiadomości lub pracownikiem upoważnionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, że jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne działanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i może być karalne. Jeżeli otrzymałeś tę wiadomość omyłkowo, prosimy niezwłocznie zawiadomić nadawcę wysyłając odpowiedź oraz trwale usunąć tę wiadomość włączając w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorized to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa, www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, nr rejestru przedsiębiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Według stanu na dzień 01.01.2015 r. kapitał zakładowy mBanku S.A. (w całości wpłacony) wynosi 168.840.228 złotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Lenovo and Superfish
On 20 February 2015 at 08:00, Jon Butler wrote: > In fairness, since yesterday was Chinese New Year, Lenovo have decided to > come to the party after all: > > http://support.lenovo.com/us/en/product_security/superfish Who knew - Lenovo has a Z-Series! Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Lenovo and Superfish
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 06:44:18AM -0600, John McKown wrote: > On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Paul Gilmartin < > 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > Here we go again: > > http://www.wired.com/2015/02/lenovo-superfish/ > > > > And, a classic (Ken Thompson ca. 1984): > > http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html > > > > -- gil > > > > > > The above is why I use Linux and not Windows, except when work > forces me to use Windows. Granted, I do not _personally_ vet that > Fedora 21 and all the stuff in it are valid. But there are a _lot_ > of people who, together, do tend to review all the stuff in those > packages. So I trust them _more_ that I trust MS and other > vendors. My current attitude towards Linux, despite using it since 1994 (I guess, memory blur, where are the notes?..) is, that recent almost univocal adoption of systemd smells [1]. I just cannot tell if it smells roses or fish. I am looking at FreeBSD now, with OpenSolaris/OpenIndiana/etc as possible "plan C". I guess/hope I won't have too consider "plan D" for at least five years, but, of course I am always interested in learning. > And I trust Linux hardware vendors more than those who get extra > money for installing "adware" and the like. I'm afraid this is the very same hardware. > If you like this problem, you'll love the Samsung "Smart TV" with > its ad-injection during the play of _your_ personally recorded > videos. "OOPS, how did that get into the field? It was just for > internal testing. Honest! , , , " I may need > to end up wiping _all_ my home routers and installing OpenWRT. Those > vendors are likewise "suspect". > Perhaps the future of the successful few is to go the way they did it in "Battlestar Galactica" (a recent one, I haven't seen 1970-ish version). I.e. "I want my computers/hardware to be dumb and not talking to each other". Of course, model 6 is excluded from this harsh rule. [1] Last time I looked, only two big distros stayed away, or rather, Gentoo said I would be able to choose between initd and systemd, and Slackware claimed they won't adopt systemd. Others switched, are going to switch or are closing their shop. So there are some promises right now, but longer term, I think the game is over in this field. Debian, which I regarded highly enough to use from 1997 on, decided to toast itself. Cut the ropes! ;-/ Morale: trust, what's this? -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Lenovo and Superfish
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Mark Post wrote: > >>> On 2/20/2015 at 08:32 AM, David Crayford wrote: > > Barbarian! Macs are beautiful. > > The product may be beautiful, but the company that produces it most > certainly is not. Every time my wife brings up the idea of buying anything > from them I tell her "no." > > > Mark Post > Well, I personally like both Windows and Mac users. Why? "Low hanging fruit". I don't have hackers going after my Linux set up at home so long as there are easier targets. If Linux becomes too popular, then there is always OpenBSD or one of the other *BSD systems. -- He's about as useful as a wax frying pan. 10 to the 12th power microphones = 1 Megaphone Maranatha! <>< John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Lenovo and Superfish
>>> On 2/20/2015 at 08:32 AM, David Crayford wrote: > Barbarian! Macs are beautiful. The product may be beautiful, but the company that produces it most certainly is not. Every time my wife brings up the idea of buying anything from them I tell her "no." Mark Post -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Lenovo and Superfish
On 20/02/2015 9:22 PM, Shane Ginnane wrote: On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 20:58:35 +0800, David Crayford wrote: But lately I've turned into a Mac weenie! I can do all my favorite *nix stuff using brew and I've got a much better UI compared to Ubuntu. Philistine. I place Apple below M$oft. Barbarian! Macs are beautiful. One day whilst looking at tracing some kernel level interaction a few years back, I stumbled upon the following. The author demands attention: https://blogs.oracle.com/ahl/entry/mac_os_x_and_the What do you consider worse for the average user. A vendor blocking function or the likes of the Windows API being so powerful that a half decent C/C++ programmer can use the debugging hooks to insert malicious code into a running process. I used to think the black hats were a bunch of genius coders bunkered down with a bunch of crypto books and then I discovered they were just using an API. Sigh! Wow. So Apple is explicitly preventing DTrace from examining or recording data for processes which don't permit tracing. This is antithetical to the notion of systemic tracing, antithetical to the goals of DTrace, and antithetical to the spirit of open source. Shane ... (I deleted my comments so this would pass corporate nanny-ware) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Lenovo and Superfish
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 20:58:35 +0800, David Crayford wrote: >But lately I've turned into a Mac weenie! I can do all my >favorite *nix stuff using brew and I've got a much better UI compared to >Ubuntu. Philistine. I place Apple below M$oft. One day whilst looking at tracing some kernel level interaction a few years back, I stumbled upon the following. The author demands attention: https://blogs.oracle.com/ahl/entry/mac_os_x_and_the Wow. So Apple is explicitly preventing DTrace from examining or recording data for processes which don't permit tracing. This is antithetical to the notion of systemic tracing, antithetical to the goals of DTrace, and antithetical to the spirit of open source. Shane ... (I deleted my comments so this would pass corporate nanny-ware) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Lenovo and Superfish
In fairness, since yesterday was Chinese New Year, Lenovo have decided to come to the party after all: http://support.lenovo.com/us/en/product_security/superfish -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Lenovo and Superfish
On 20/02/2015 8:44 PM, John McKown wrote: On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Paul Gilmartin < 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Here we go again: http://www.wired.com/2015/02/lenovo-superfish/ And, a classic (Ken Thompson ca. 1984): http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html -- gil The above is why I use Linux and not Windows, except when work forces me to use Windows. Same here. I've got a Windows laptop for work which dual boots to Ubuntu. But lately I've turned into a Mac weenie! I can do all my favorite *nix stuff using brew and I've got a much better UI compared to Ubuntu. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Lenovo and Superfish
On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Paul Gilmartin < 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Here we go again: > http://www.wired.com/2015/02/lenovo-superfish/ > > And, a classic (Ken Thompson ca. 1984): > http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html > > -- gil > > The above is why I use Linux and not Windows, except when work forces me to use Windows. Granted, I do not _personally_ vet that Fedora 21 and all the stuff in it are valid. But there are a _lot_ of people who, together, do tend to review all the stuff in those packages. So I trust them _more_ that I trust MS and other vendors. And I trust Linux hardware vendors more than those who get extra money for installing "adware" and the like. If you like this problem, you'll love the Samsung "Smart TV" with its ad-injection during the play of _your_ personally recorded videos. "OOPS, how did that get into the field? It was just for internal testing. Honest! , , , " I may need to end up wiping _all_ my home routers and installing OpenWRT. Those vendors are likewise "suspect". -- He's about as useful as a wax frying pan. 10 to the 12th power microphones = 1 Megaphone Maranatha! <>< John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Lenovo and Superfish
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:32:53 -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >Here we go again: >http://www.wired.com/2015/02/lenovo-superfish/ The gall of these people is unbelievable. Hop on a plane that uses gogo for onboard wifi with one of these, and *really* expose yourself to a man-in-the middle attack. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
